He said it was a custom turbo kit, not a SC kit.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6s73bntKE
Rx-7 wins 280hp series 8 type VI (?)


The RZ was beaten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmbGh1wFoaw

 

800hp is the limit of the turbo. The sleaves and rotating assembly are rated for about 1200.

I dont have his money so I am just turboing the stock engine. Which at 7.5psi is making 430rwhp on a identical car. But this is kinda getting off topic

 

I'd opt into a 930 before an NSX for the ferocity factor.

 

I'd probably do the trade if it were a stock car for a stock car with similar mileage, and no additional cash, because you could turn around and sell the NSX for more and buy back a better FD. That's simple economics. I'm not sure why someone would do a straight trade with you for a newer, lower mileage NSX.

In terms of which car is better? No contest, the FD is a better car. The NSX is great looking, but also looks badly dated, very early-90's like a 300Z. With a '99 nose, some guy asked me just yesterday asked me what my car was and if it was brand new. 13 years later.

Performance? No contest. I've flat DESTROYED even supercharged and well setup NSX's on road and track. Roll over to ScienceofSpeed.com and get a load of what it'll cost you to mod an NSX too. They've got lots of great stuff for them, but...

 

Yup. I remember watching steve kan demolish s/c'ed NSX's on a road course in my buddy alan's FD that had a bad first turbo. Granted steve is a phenomenal driver, but to see a wounded FD cleaning up like that sure gave me a good feeling

 

Here is a link on the NSX forum comparing NSX to FD.

http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45175

I think some NSX owners lack info on their own cars and completely ignorant about FDs.

 

Hahha, happens on almost every forum. Haters!!

 

i don't know about you, but i perfer the rx to the nsx. don't get me wrong nsx is a sweet ride and very reliable. but i see 2-5 nsx for 1 rx7 3rd gen, and they are an extremely well balanced car, just not fast enough without very expensive mods.

 

You know, I keep hearing "the NSX isn't fast enough keep the FD". Well, its cheaper to make a Mustang go faster than an FD, so why doesn't everyone just go supe-up a Mustang?

Fast is a relative term. Passing people on DE's or racing people on highways doesn't really mean much. Both of those you are dealing with varying levels of driver experience, car modifications, etc... Unless you are racing in a sanctioned race, there are no constraints and/or restrictions to really show which car is better. On the street and DE's, its just about who wants to spend the money to be faster than someone else.

One thing though, the NSX is talked about in the same breath by most people (outside this forum) with the likes of Porsche, Ferrari, Lotus and other "exotic" cars. The FD isn't an exotic car, its just a Japanese Sports Car. Exotic doesn't equal top performance. It means a build quality that is better than all others (as well as a price tag to go with it). Look at the Lotus cars; they were using forged parts in their engines since the 80's even though they weren't "top performers".

Can a modified RX-7 beat exotic cars? Sure, but at the end of the day, its still a Mazda. Heck, there are Civics that are built up which blow most RX-7's away. However, its still a Civic regardless of how fast it is; the RX-7 is no different.

NSX's are in a different league, but that doesn't mean its "faster".

I have also thought about getting an NSX to replace my RX-7. The idea of being able to go to a track event and not wonder if my engine is going to blow seems like a good thing to me.

 

"Exotic" tends to have more to do with brand and cost than "quality".

I've said many times before, if Maserati had made the FD... exactly like it is... or Mazda had invented some luxury brand name and charged $80k, not only would everyone worship it, nobody would bitch about the "unreliability".

There's plenty of exotic "build quality" and engineering in the FD... probably as much or more than the NSX.

 

I have to show this..


Its Maserati TC - does it remind you of any late 80s and early 90's Chrysler?? I've seen this car in person and its nothing but rebadged LeBaron.

Well, I do agree with Mahjik in a lot of things... But I think if people make NSX to be "exotic", they should also consider FD's. Sure maybe fit and finish might not be perfect, but I've seen a lot of so called exotics with shitty paint, cheap interior plastics, horrible performance, and unreliable due to shitty internals. Sure, NSX is made by honda and suppose to be "quality built", but like any automobiles, they also have their faults... like early 90s, people are wrecking them in rain because camber was too neg and tires are only lasting 5k (fixed in 94). 91-92 models had snap ring issues... So on so on..

 

I put this in the other thread:

"honda and reliable" THE NSX.........bull ******* ****. How do I know, I have both.

They have massive electrical problems being aluminum you have to use "Electric Jell" crap on all the grounding connections.

It won't start about 1 out of 5. Most owners put a charger in the garage to plug in the NSX as the battery dies "being in the front" just not enough power to turn the car over. All the lights come on but the starter may turn over but won't start. I've replaced all the battery cables front to rear made no difference.

The NSX forum does not like to have to admit this as most people love what they own.

I have replaced ball joints, V-tech valves, overflow tank, heater controls, relayes, and the 90k service is about 2k, ect, ect and I have a Comptech SC to put on the car but if you read as of late they are evan overpressuring the car to SPRAY oil all over in the INSIDE of your car (being mid ship).

I would rather drive my H1, FJ, FD, or Jeep and BTW: the ******* NSX scrapes on everything at stock height!!!

 

Most cars go through a "teething" period. The tire issues I don't think would be that big of a deal today. However back then, people weren't ready for "super sticky gone in a few thousand mile" tires. I believe tire education today is a lot better than it was when the NSX first came out.

However, I don't see that any different from the people wrecking FD's today or back then. People just tried to blame Acura for the tire wear instead of understanding the type of tire they had one the car (similar to the people who buy Mercedes and BMWs with summer tires on the cars and wonder why they get stuck in the snow ).

 

Wow, Didn't know that! Makes me wonder if I should get one or not..

I agree with you, But I think when NSX first came out (and remember reading it back in 93-94) that Acura was the one setting the camber for performance reasons and it wore down the inside of the tires and people not seeing the wear (*we all know, people who spent 70K on a car don't know **** about cars )

Also, I guess If you classify a car as "Exotic" and you own one, you should be rich enough to replace tires every 5k

 

I think Acura was betting on that as well.

 

Can someone fill me in on what made the NSX a so called exoctic? The use of aluminum? The FD weighs less than the NSX. That's out. The price set by Honda/Acura? The build quality of the car itself sounds about like most, somethings just tend to go wrong. Is it the engine? Hell I'm just curious now what made it cost so much..economies of scale due to the small number made but high manufacturing costs associated with the line? No matter what the reason, it's not an exotic supercar to me and most magazines refered to it as a Japanese exotic, like it wasn't in the same league as the italian exotics anyway.

Tim

 

no ****. I love the way the NSX looks but the slow factor is just embarrassing.

 

Tim,

I'm not 100% what makes "exotic" or "supercar".. But what I remember from my reading back in 2000, in order to be classified as supercar, the car must exceed speed of 160 from factory.

Also this is what Wikipedia said about Super car:

 

And a Civic weighs less than the FD. What does that say about the Civic? Nothing, same as the above.


Most of the time, this is the #1 factor. Think about it, is a $17,000 *new* car an exotic? However, build numbers are also in there as well.


Then why ask what makes it exotic? Because no matter what the reason is, its not to you. A Corvette outperforms most cars on the road today stock for stock, however, its not an 'exotic'. It looks like the Z06 is getting close to that status now though.

Also keep in mind that most "magazines" only count exotics as either German or Italian made cars (which is a bunch of rubbish IMO).

 

I like the Toys R Us kid things.. LOL!

I agree.. NSX seems like they are owned by older gents. But now, I see more 20 something owning older NSXs. It all depend on price.. As they come down, more and more youngins own them... Like 7s..

 

quote of the month...

 

It does not matter what year you have. I have a '92 one of the most desirable because the 3L is stronger and only has 1 smog sensor. The pre '93 you can mod cheaper but you don't get the 6 speed.

The best cars to build are the '93 than add the Comptech switch ~$300 for the newer 6-speed ~$4k than add the NSX-R main shaft ~$350 for the twin disk clutch (Exedy ~$1700-~$2400 in carbon).

This is all in parts only cost as I do most my own work other than the valve adjustments and timing belt replacement, cam plug leaking replacement it's easier to take the motor out? Plus the ~$2k for the 90k mile service.

Than you will have a good base car to mod. But it still won't be "FAST" and they have massive body roll.

My CTSC on a deal was $7300 http://www.comptechusa.com/store/superchargernsx.html

and get to know Mark at Dali. He has a bunch of repaired NSX parts on hand like the ~$600 heater control, replacement water tank (metal not leaky plastic) http://www.daliracing.com/

Put a battery tender in the garage and plug it in at night.

BTW: NEVER, NEVER let anyone jump your NSX. One jump start from an unknowing tow truck will burn out the main relay, heater control, stock alarm, ect, ect, if you are lucky.

Under the rear deck (engine compartment) in the main fuse box is a jump point and you will need to jump the car regularly no matter what year.

I have an extra jump/emergency (Powerstation) in my trunk? (about 4' by 1.5') at all times. Nothing better than taking out a new girl in your sexy car and having to jump the ******* thing to go home. People love to laugh at the sexy car that won't start in the parking lot

My friend has a 2004 and it's got all the same problems I have. No start after a day of sitting and the tires need to be checked all the time as the inside of the tires wear FASTER than the outside lip you see.

And most owners will not admit they replace the front plastic dam about every 6 months aftermarket ~$150 true Honda ~$250 from rubbing it off or hitting any parking stop.

On NSXPRIME.com you can see an aftermarket kit being made to correct the rear camber and not wear the rear tires so badly.

Makes you think WHY would Honda stop making such a great car for $98k+

Yes, I am selling it in the spring.

 

Hilarious! You just convinced me NOT to buy one of these