Jim, I'm under contract with my supplier to sell at a certain price. I had to go back to the supplier with the information that people bucked at the initial price and have it adjusted. I could not contractually change the price without thier permission.

Your right Jim, I'm not a good salesman, what else would you like to point out? I'm also not the best at spelling and grammar as someone pointed out. Would you like me to send a set to you for testing.... That's right, you went piston.

 

Where are you getting these numbers? That's not what I see on the dyno chart.

 

EXACTLY!

The dyno chart clearly shows a torque peak of 254@6250 rpm. Doing the math results in a horsepower rating of 302 at 6250 rpm. Yet the dyno shows a result of 274@6750 being the peak. Obviously the numbers don't work, so either something was very wrong with the dyno settings (if that's even possible) or the sheet is a complete forgery.

 

WTF does that have to do with your product's functionality??? My daddy can beat up your daddy

You wouldn't be catching so much crap if you weren't spreading it. People won't argue with facts but they recognize wishful thinking when they see it. Just leave and come back when you have real data to present.

 

Since you guys must have the dyno sheet can SOMEONE please post it up??? I'd like to take a look at it

Thanks,
STEPHEN

 

There you go Stephen. It was posted on Page 3 of the thread Oh, and if it lends any credibility, I know the place he got the dyno done...Curry's Auto in Sterling

 

This is a perfect example of how hard it is to prove things out to people. Everyone has called bullshit because I didn't post a dyno, now that I've provided the Dyno; everyone is calling bullshit on the numbers. People called bullshit on the price, so I reduced it to meet the demand for it, now everyone is calling bullshit on the new price.

To be honest, it's just not worth my time bantering back and forth with just a handful of people on this forum for a product that isn't the center piece of my business. Those who believe in the data and have made the choice to purchase this product will do so. I'm just too busy with work, wife, and building engines for customers.

Thanks,

Steven

 

Ooops. I'm an idiot, thanks for clearing that up.

I'd go with the 'complete forgery'. Computers don't screw up math, people forging dyno charts do.

 

It's not that we're calling bullshit on your numbers (which aren't too impressive, by the way), we're calling bullshit on your obviously made-up dyno chart.

It is MATHEMATICALLY impossible to have the numbers that you posted. That is an undesputable fact.

 

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question622.htm

 

We aren't?

Forget for the moment that the torque peak on the dyno sheet above equals 300+ RWHP, not 274. You don't think that even 274 RWHP on a Mustang dyno is a little high for his claimed 8-10 psi with stock twins? 274 RWHP @ 10 psi on a Dynojet with his mods, sure, but on a Mustang dyno??

Quote:

Originally posted by jimlab on 06-03-04 08:15 PM
If your car was on the dyno only a week ago, you would probably have a better idea of exactly what the peak power numbers were, down to one decimal place.

Dyno numbers evenly divisible by 5 raise my bullshit radar, especially when associated with boost levels that low, unless a single turbo was involved. You wouldn't mind posting the dyno sheet, would you?

Quote:

Originally posted by jimlab on 06-03-04 08:21 PM
315 RWHP on a Mustang dyno at only 8~10 psi? Sounds like you got some of Don't Be A Rikki's secret sauce...

What are your modifications?

Not to mention that "with the sheet in front of him", he told me that his torque peak was 237.4 @ 6,250 in private mail before he posted the dyno sheet above. Even so, that's 282.5 horsepower, which is still higher than the peak horsepower printed on his dyno sheet. WTF?!?

When someone's story/numbers change so often, you know there's bullshit involved.

 

 

Any response Steve??

 

He responded above -- he avoided the question. Obviously, he doesn't know much about cars or, apparently, mathematics.

Sorry Steven but there's too many of us here that are smarter than the average idiot who just believes any marketing BS he reads. We've asked you for real data -- so far, the only thing you've given us is a dyno sheet with MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE results. Not a real good start, I'm afraid.

 

Yea man, I'm sorry to tell you but I just went over your graph with a calculator.....everthing seems ok till you get past 6025rpms and once you pass that either the HP or TQ line is wrong....one or the other. All they do is measure your TQ on the dyno then calculate it out with a math formula that Jim has already told you about to get the HP number. If you use the TQ numbers and run it thru a calculator the HP line is wrong....it should be way more than what it is. So either they rated the TQ wrong and its should lower....or they miscalculated your HP and it should be higher. Like I said from 6025rpms everything looks right, its just above 6025 that it goes nuts and doesnt calculate right

STEPHEN

 

Or he fabricated the chart and doesn't understand the relationship between TQ and HP. Like I said, computers don't make calculation errors.

 

People need to chill. He didnt fabricate the graph. The reason its off is the guy dynoing the car didnt put the weight and the HP@50 into the computer. You need those two numbers to get an accurate reading on a Mustang Dyno. I wouldnt say its Stevens fault, but the dyno operators.

Let this **** die until this device has been tested. Damn!

Jason

 

Jason, what can I say? This forum is definetly one tough crowd. No room for errors, no room for newbie questions, nada. You basically gotta walk around w/ an encyclopedia in one hand, a reknowned tuner in the other, and your flame suit on, just in case...lol

But...you still gotta love it haha.

 

reasons why i try to tread lightly.

 

You have to be cynical nowdays with all the lies told by big business, and our government. Not to mention it starting with our parents, schools, and churches.

 

True, but someone selling something like this ought to be knowledgeable enough to figure out that the dyno sheet they're offering as proof is flawed. Since he obviously doesn't know what his dyno curve should look like, how can he make any credible statements about how the plugs affected his engine's performance?

 

wow, dont i feel cool!!! haha, jason. . . your comment about the lengthy testing of this product is what i wanted to hear. obviously, i wanna hear what power it makes at a boost level that is constant. same boost levels on each run.

thanks again,
paul

 

I agree. There are far to many people making negative assumptions about something they clearly have no personal experience with. What happened to looking at things with an open mind and then passing judgement once the results are in?

 

T-von, I agree with you. Kind of like the mini discussion Jimlab and I had, I think people are quick to let a person's actions/personality traits etc, affect their view of what that person may be offering/selling. And while the two may very well go hand in hand most of the time, I'm sure we all know very **** and egotistical people that very simply know their ish like no other...and visa versa, we've been ripped off by the nicest, most professional guy.

Point is, it looks like a lot of us are taking this to a personal level, making comments against Steven himself. How you perceive him is up to you, but that really shouldn't be a reflection upon his product, because that's an assumption which is circumstantial at best.

We have nothing to show this is bull, and nothing to show it really works. Like I said to Jimlab, it's been made amply clear that Steven wasn't prepared when he first posted about the TrailPlugs. Lets not beat a dead horse. Cuz guess what? Even if he's a dumbass (sorry Steven, just for the sake of the argument), knows nothing about engines, is a horrible salesman and businessman, and may even be shady, guess what? If the plugs work, and this is shown through independent testing (be it jason, stephen etc), then the plugs are a good buy, regardless of what we think of Steven.

So IF possible, lets just sit tight for a few until we get some more test results on this product. Is that too much to ask??

 

It's obvious that some of you don't understand your cars and engines well enough to make an informed decision until someone tests the "device". However, you shouldn't make the mistake of assuming that everyone else is as ignorant as you are.