good point stephen. . . but with all the talk about rotorface smashing i would assume high egt's are due to lower afrs and lower octane fuels.

since when do lower octane fuels burn cleaner? isnt that the sales pitch of most gas stations? "buy premium cause it burns cleaner!!!" and i havent heard anything about lower octane fuels increasing torque at all either.

kevin, i figured something was flawed about that thought. i just had my "technical wording" wrong. haha, sorry about that guys. . . im no genius.

JASON, thank you so much for putting forth an effort to do REAL testing on this product. i certainly hope that some type of good can come out of it. just keep us advised!!!

paul

 

Geesh..

I thought that guy was suppose to Ship out the Plugs
last week. You figure 500 a set or 150 a set,
he could of overnighted IT.

 

speaking of pros & cons, and since water injection was mentioned...is it true that you will eventually run into problems of rust & corrosion by using water injection? I thought I read something about that, since you're injecting water... I believe it's the same scenario when instead of just using coolant, you use a mix of coolant and water in the radiator (since most don't use distilled). Is this true?

 

i dont see how anything would rust. . . its not like the water is sitting in your engine just hangin out. the engine is hot and the water is a fine mist. all that stuff will be in and out of the engine very rapidly. does the cast iron manifold on your car rust out? ive never heard of one rusting out, or even showing rust when driven frequently.

paul

 

Paul...good point. Don't mind me...I'm just a little paranoid, seeing that I might spring soon for Chuck's V-mount, and the LAST thing I'd wanna do is mess it up...

But would the same hold true for say, the coolant + water mix in the radiator, since when you're not running the car, the water IS sitting there...

 

you always want to put some kind of rust inhibitor in there. you are correct. the water DOES sit there and it does cause corrosion in some form. whether you use a water + anti-freeze mix or some other mix. . . its all up to you.

paul

 

last one (sorry to get off topic). got an example of a good rust-inhibitor to use?

 

i found this stuff at advance auto parts made by a company called pro-blend. its called "xtreme sport" you are supposed to use it with distilled water and about 20% antifreeze. it resists corrosion and rust, lowers coolant temperatures, stops some leaks, cleans cooling system, and increases heat transfer. figured id try it out.

i ALWAYS use some antifreeze. its readily available and you know it works.

paul

 

Antifreeze already has rust inhibitors in it. Just change it every year or so and you'll be fine.

 

I got the plugs today. Will let everyone know how it goes this weekend.

Jason

 

if you lower the amount of antifreeze in your system youll evidently get better cooling.

paul

 

Damn... I just read 16 pages about the " butt plugs" and now this one..

After reading 16 pages.. I realized there are some really smart *** people on this forum..

I have to agree with some.. A solid piece of metal (unknown material) might cause more problems.. and how in the hell could this thing completely plug the hole so that no carbon will build up?? I think if not running the trailing will help with detonation.. Just keep the sparks in.. and clean once in awhile..

 

I don't want to interupt the intelligent discussion here, I'm just sick of reading about this device already.

Well, this rant isn't just about this product but about a lot of things we see for the rx-7. This car is expensive enough to maintain and we all know this having owned the car. I think a big thing that's hampering people buying an Rx-8 or even a used Rx-7 is the pricing of maintenance and all of the horror stories we've heard along the way. I think a lot of people who own an rx-7, especially people on this forum want to give the car a good name and promote it whenever possible as well as the rotary engine...so this leads me to my main point - why are we all trying to screw each other out of money?

A good example of this is this product. Who the hell came up with the marketing for this product? Haven't we learned from the past that advertising a product and saying how great it is without allowing people to get their hands on it is a bad marketing ploy? Obviously this device is out now and the price is dropped because nobody wants to shell out money for something that could actually just be a black box with a couple wires hanging out of it. How do we advance as a society when no one shares information? It's nice to see that people are trying to figure out how this thing works. It's frustrating when a company tries to screw you with a monopoly on something, let alone don't even share with you how something works.

If we want to see Mazda or any other company use the rotary engine in the future, we have to be open with technology or findings about the engine that we develop or even find on our own. If only one person knew how the piston engine worked over all of these years, do you think that it would've advanced at all? As I see it, it's things like this (a device that's not disclosed how it works) and other products in the same category that gives the rotary engine a bad name in the industry. I say share all the knowledge you can...I thought that was one of the main reasons we were here on this forum

 

I'm in complete agreement there, but as far as this anti-det thing goes, I'll say this.

Free Enterprise. It was unique, so it was hyped up to rediculous proportions (patents and NDA's and this, that and the other thing) all to make a buck.

Ain't America grand?

 

yep...and america will always be america

add three quarts of the below in place of anti-freeze and 16.5 gallons per tank for fuel. Guaranteed to stop detonation!! ON SALE NOW!!



further information can be found here!

 

The problem is this: the "device" was developed by Skip and Dave at KD Rotary and has apparently been stolen(?) from them and is now being marketed by a greedy accountant who doesn't appear to be a rotary enthusiast, or even a car enthusiast in general. THAT, is the problem.

I'm anxiously awaiting Jason's results of testing the product -- and I could care less about the dyno numbers, I want to hear about the drivability and fuel mileage.....

 

ouch


though i agree...i am also interested in seeing whether jason finds them sellable or usable. hard data will be fun to mull over.

 

Come on guys.. This is nothing but sparkplug replacement, maybe made out of stainless steel.. 100 or 450.. its still too expensive.. what would a day of dyno prove?? If all we care about is useability and durability, I rather see what this would do to your engine after a year of driving..
with side by side comparison with trailing plugs without firing and this "butt plug". I think I rather put the sparks in and clean it every once in awhile.. also, Solid piece of metal of unknown kind, I don't know.. what if that small piece of tip breaks because of the heat?? at least we know spark plug tips are ok under extreme heat... point, a day of dyno for something that act as block off plate that doesn't do anything makes me worried.

 

I just wanted to say that I met the seller of this product last weekend to buy some shocks from his friend and he is definitely a rotary enthusiast. Based on our conversation, he was very knowledgeable about the RX-7. His FD has a haltech, asp intercooler, kirk racing roll bar, and many other mods a person who tracks their car would want. He gave me alot of helpful advice about modding my car for the track. I can't say anything about the anti det device, but I just wanted to clarify that he is a rotary enthusiast.

 

hey, i didnt bring this thread up so we could have debate about the product. . . i brought it out cause i thought there was information about the product that WAS NOT being made very clear. . . and it was overlooked by people screaming about how much of a bad deal it was.

dont get me wrong, it IS a bad deal. the prduct seems cheap, misleading, and the marketing strategies were horribly immoral.

sorry i brought it up again guys. . . just thought everyone should be well aware of what they are buying.

paul

 

me too...but i am anxiously awaiting to see if more power can be generated.

I wont buy it from a reliabilty standpoint....my car is tuned and safe.

 

AGREED

 

Yes, I agree also. Sorry I brought up the debate side of things. I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page here Thanks for sharing your information and advice on the product

 

 

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