hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

So whats the verdict Jason?

 

Sorry for the delay. I forgot I have half a tank of race gas in the car and I didnt want to install/test with that in there. I should be able to do it this weekend.

Jason

 

what are you going to fill it up with 87 octane fuel? why not test it with the race gas with leaner AFR versus a run with your regular setup?

 

Wouldn't that defeat the point of trying to prove that it eliminates detonation with low octane fuel? How many people drive around with a tank full of race gas?

 

i drove for two days running only the leading plugs while breaking in the motor. guess what...it ran like ****.

went to tune...ran like *****...felt rough...didnt burn all the fuel...and basically continued to run like *****.

plugged the ignition wire back in properly and she purred like a happy cat on both trailing and leading.

why run your car at a ten percent power loss...only to make it up by increasing boost which increases HEAT.

After driving on leading only for a few hundred miles I can say that I am happy that I have water injection...and trailing plugs that fire now.

J

 

if your gonna qoute please post the whole question

 

Why? How is running a test with race gas a real world scenario for most people?

Engage your brain before posting and I won't have to quote (or misquote) you.

 

Does this anti-det prevent detonation caused by fuel starvation?

 

No, people had Injectors stuck, and blew their motors...

 

As previously stated in the other threads, you can't just unplug the trailing plugs and expect the car to perform correctly. Did Steve actually tune your car with just the leading plugs firing? Also none of the people who have this device are claiming that their car is running rough and like **** as yours did. I guess that little gap in between the spark plug and housing opening really makes a differance since the actual Anti-det plug fills it in.

 

So would tuning, since you're talking about taking two timed events and reducing it to one, you can't expect the first one to stay in the same spot, with no ill effects, simplistically you have to divide the time between the leading and the trailing, and add that to the leading plugs, to effectively compensate for the lack of trailing ignition.

 

WRONG. The anti-det plug or unplugging your trailing coils requires specialized tuning with the PFC. One of the reasons that PG Unlimited is full of ****.

 

man....i knew we wouldnt be able to wait for jason to finish up his testing....unbelievable.

 

Didn't we mention the fact that the product would need additional tuning for certain stand alone engine management systems.........?

Also, we haven't replied to this thread and those like it because I was not prepared to do so. We are still gathering data to present to the RX7 Community to prove out this product, which I should have done in the first place.

For those worried about the relationship between Skip Gorman, PG-Unlimited, and me.... Skip and I have been in touch since the release of this product and at last check everything is cool between the parties and Skip and I remain personal friends.

I will post more once more data is gathered from those testing the product on their own.

Thanks,

Steven Hyde
www.pg-unlimited.com

 

Cool...thanks for the update Steven. I'm definitely interested to know more about this product. Keep us posted!

 

So are you finally owning up to the fact that you just made up the dyno numbers you posted?

 

LOL...Jimlab, let it go. I think the bigger picture here is whether they really work or not. So lets sit and wait until we get some real hard core facts & data, eh?

Besides, I don't think we want another 18 page thread starting up!

 

Honesty must not be one of the qualities you look for in a vendor, huh?

 

I see your point...but honestly, what can I tell you...at this point I'm more interested to see if this product works than anything else. Depending on whether or not it works, then we can move to step 2, being whether or not the vendor is honest, etc.

A prime example IMO is PFS. We've heard claims of dishonesty or even BS and nasty attitudes. But when push comes to shove and you need something done, and done right, and you can keep tabs on them while they're doing it, it might not be so bad.

Does that make sense/you see my point? (esp. when your choice of vendors is limited)

 

 

i think you need to engage your brain cause no matter what type of fuel you use, if your lean enough you will blow the engine plain and simple. now if i recall correctly one of the so called benefits was the ability to run leaner AFR's. now if they ran a baseline with the race gas and trailing ignition working VS. a baseline with the anti-det device with leaner AFR's wil it not give you comparable results while also maybe saving Jason from a possible engine failure. even though they stated that an FD can run on 87 octane with this device, who is going to risk it? i won't be one of them!

 

others have already. . . it can be done. . . thats not the point of ANY argument. its the fact that the device doesnt do ANYTHING for the car in the performance department. its the blind bills that have to be spent to make it worthwhile (and the only thing that states that its worthwhile to me is the higher torque levels). its like getting a t78 kit and saying THIS PRODUCT is going to put me at around 500rwhp. the problem is: you have to have the ports, the fuel, the ignition, the EMS, the exhaust, the blah, blah, blah.

this product MIGHT give higher torque numbers, but it would force someone to have to spend countless hours/amounts of money to get their car safe again. . . as in coolant temps, oil temps, ALL TEMPS!!!!

and while im on the subject of torque numbers. would the higher torque numbers be due to the large amount of boost being tossed in there? . . . wait. . . ill just sit on that till we get REAL numbers posted.

HURRY UP JASON!!!!!!!!!!

paul

one more thing. . . jason, when youre doing tuning. are you gonna be checking EGT's, oil temps, coolant temps, ALL TEMPS. . . hahaha. . . like i mentioned above? i think that might play a big role in this items worth.

 

Sorry about that, I've been real busy over the past week. I sent the dyno sheet along with a picture of the product installed to a few folks but fogot to post it on the thread. Enjoy.

 

As soon as I'm done with my new fuel cell project, I'll run some datalogging with the E6K showing A/F via my Motec PLM and SW EGT gauage along with boost level, coolant level, and air temp.

Thanks,

Steven