defiantely NOT rice.....its just syling people......now, if some owners put TII badges on their N/A's, then you got somethin to gripe about. i think those hoods look totally awesome, and would have one on my car if i could find one cheap.

 

screw this whole rice arguement, you can't tell me half of you guys saying it's rice haven't gone out and got some nice shiney rims for your car which have little to no performance increase. You guys who wash your cars, you're all ricers! You guys who wax them, you are extreme ricicists (hah!) It has no performance increase, just makes it look better. Get over the bullshit and stop trying to act like you're better than someone else. Anybody can call rice, but chances are they're rice themselves.

 

I was actually planning on putting an aluminum n/a hood on a TII with a fmic. That would be a COOL looking sleeper

 

Actually waxing a high-speed car can really increase aerodynamics. Look at what happens when you wax the hull of a jetski. BOOYA!

 

actually i just think it looks better...im buying it not to fake others or fool them into thinkin i got a turbo..im proud of havin an NA...after im done fixin it up. ill show the TII guys what an NA and dish out...basically the hood looks better...styling wise..yes....but certainly not to fool and be rice...just to have a better look

 

ok lets look carefully at this for a moment...... drag characteristics of water vs. drag characteristics of air

i thought this insanely ridiculous thread had died

Justin

 

*cough* voting results *cough*

anyone who thinks its ricey can take pride that they are the minority..... whatever.....

nuff said.

 

Yo,


Someone cooked the poll. On the first day it suddenly had a buttload of "No's". *shrug*

KS
1989 GTUs "The thread back from the dead!"

 

i dont think so, i just laugh because they want to be like me...

 

Ok guys, I have a 86 N/A that I'll prolly be putting a TII hood on it. Why? Cause I'm (here comes the flames) putting a V8 in it and it needs the air that the hood scoop can provide for me. So what do you think about it being 'Rice' in my case? Cause A) It's lighter B) It flows cold air my engine needs C) It won't have any plagues of an aftermarket hood (eg. fitment)

So fellas?
Nick

 

mmmm there's a aerodynamic chart of the t2 on the net somewhere.. the hoodscoop wont give you cold air...


?

 

I don't really care if it's ricey or not. You can put the most insane exterior mods on any car. Cruise around town thinking your a totall badass. But your still going to get your *** dusted. I'm in favor of people hopping up everything but performance, that just gives me more people to embarace in front of their girlfriends.

There is a guy in my town with an NA with a TII hood, BIG super wing, custom yellow paint and full bodykit.
This doesn't bother me at all. He can do what he wants. It's a free country. Just don't expect to beat me in a race.

 

Your trying to tell me that with an engine that the intake is right under the scoop it won't let the engine breath? So... Snorkles don't help either? What about cold air intakes? You gonna tell me those don't work either??

Nick

 

i am really tired of people misreading that chart. the further away the air line is shown from the surface of the car, the more air pressure exists. really is it so hard to understand????

yes it will flow plenty of air

Justin

 

You asked....

Now I havent taken the time to read ALL the replies here, but a still have an opinion....

Putting a turbo hood on a NA, is technically RICE.

Rice is EMULATING a performance modification, or using only the visible portions of the performance modification strictly for the appearance.


That having been said.....

I hate rice, in all its forms....

AND.....

I am putting a TurboII aluminum hood on my red NA GXL.


You see, its not rice if it has a proven performance reason.

Mine does.

After the engine is completed, the new Supercharged Turbo engine will use a modified intake system to incorporate a gutted intercooler as a AIR INTAKE.

This is my first plan, otherwise, I will use it as a bonified cooler for some fluid that needs it.

I.E. coolant for the supercharger.

Maybe even keep it as an intercooler for the supercharger.

I dont exactly know yet.

Heck, if i complete my idea of the electronics package for my car, I might use it for the forward looking components of the electronics.

I have not fully completed the idea with the electronics as of yet, so it is unlikely that I will incorporate them in this, the first iteration of the car.

Most likely as an intake, or cooler of some sort.

It WILL have a bonified purpose.
One that makes sense, ans donesn't look as if I forced somthing to be too complex, simply to make the scoop have a purpose.

This is why it would not be "rice".

If i left it on, and maintained the car as a NA vehicle, then it would be.

All show, no go.

Furthermore, if you had a hood scoop, and a car that was as fast or faster than a T II, and the scoop had no purpose, it would still qualify as rice, technically.

Unless the car was BUILT with it, and the intercooler was replaced with a more efficient part, then the remaining scoop would technically NOT be rice.

It would, however be appropriate to sell or otherwise remove the hood with a scoop and get a standard hood if the scoop had no use.

This would indicate an understanding that you had no intention of being "rice".

If you think about it, removing the scoop from a T II, that no longer used the scoop, because it was modded to be faster and better, would ultimately make the car a "sleeper".

The ultimate nemesis of a RICE car.

On the scale of "performance vs. style"...

with "RICE" being at one end....

the "Sleeper" would reside at the other.
(and it would EAT YOUR LUNCH and leave you thinking about how bad that hurt)

I am seriously considering writing some RICE deficitions and/ or a few pages on the rules of performance vs. style.

I have stong feelings about this, because all to often people accuse me of baing a RICE BOY because I have move from 1960's musclecar builder to a RX-7 tuner/mechanic!!

ARGH!!!
There should be recognized guidelines about these things!!!

Sniper_X
Always Tinkering

 

I do think that a TII hood on a N/A is rice. Is it as bad as what some people out there do?? No, not even close. I own a N/A and wouldn't do it to my car. But if someone else does it, then that is cool....it's their car. Will I know why they did it without asking them? No. Do they really care about what I think? Probably not.

Question though. Is putting the 99' conversion on a FD rice since nothing under the hood is 99'? It isn't adding any performance, it isn't aftermarket, and people might think you have a 99' when you don't. Is it not rice just because they don't have 99's in the US?

When I think of rice I think more of stuff like this del sol


Lets just all drive this unique piece of machinery, turbo or no turbo, and be happy we are part of the rotary community.

just my $0.02

 

i dunno, i like them, but i already have an aluminum n/a hood, so its just as good...............its all preferance

 

SO does everyone think my GXL w/turbo 2 engine, drivetrain and hood is rice now?? as soon as I get my NPR FMIC mounted I'm going back to my NA hood, so I have the sleeper look

 

no...
if the car is a Turbo 2 engine, then you need the hood.

But your idea of going to the NA hood you should have is a good idea.

especially since noone will know its a turbo after that!

 

Actually, it does not flow air into the scoop. The air exits the scoop at speeds above 60MPH. I've got a TII hood on my NA (to make room for a motor swap - no V-8's) and the hood whistles at speed.

Trying to find the source of the whistle, I covered the hole on the bottom side of the hood with duct tape to see if it would stop. The whistle stopped, but at 100MPH+, the tape broke loose from the edges of the hole and STUCK TO THE ROOF OF THE SCOOP.

I was always under the assumption that the scoop allowed air in, but it's just the reverse. The high pressure area inside the engine compartment is greater than the amount of air the scoop can draw in. I've made a few more tests with single strips of tape across the opening at different speeds and so far it's consistently sticking to the top of the scoop.

My $0.02

 

I think you guys have forgotten the true meaning of the 7. We are all here because of a man named Wankle. We all belong to this site because we are different than any other car on the road. No other production vehicle has what we have. Yet you guys sit here and fight about tiddly thing like a 12 year olds. Personally I dont care what people do to their 7's as long as that same rotor is under the hood. I mean ****, are motors were hand built in Hiroshima. **** we are driving rice around everyday.

 

There are reasons why the scoop doesn't work on the n/a cars.

The geometry places the scoop at the highest point of the hood, this is why the pressure is reversed, but in the turbo car, it has a seal and a water pan which directs airflow and water down behind the engine, by the firewall. now this rubber seal and the water pan now places the exit point of incoming air below the higher pressure area.
The scoop works well on a n/a if you seal the scoop and direct the air to the side so it cools down the headers.

Now keep in mind, it has to be a sealed and below the high pressure area.

On another note, cutting a hole in the hood allows the hig pressure to escape from under the hood and thus elimnates the light steering feel that comes with high rates of speed. Becasue the high pressure is lifting the cars front end off the ground!

 

Why is it rice when some people like the look?
Why is it rice if one day I might be planning a T2 swap?
Are there any aeronautical engineers out there?
Who was the fool that coined up the term "rice"?

15 years ago I was called rice for having Yamaha and Honda motorcycles. My friends rode Harleys. Actually, they worked on their Harleys which never ran and were really unreliable. I rode my FZ and CB thousands of miles without issues. Funny thing is that most Harleys are more rice than ever: teardrops /fattires /scoops /flares /paint.....and all that bullshit custom crap.
If having a reliable/fun/decent looking car or bike is rice, then I am rice even if my car was 100% stock.

I have seen lots of HIDEOUS UNSIGHTLY cars out there--foreign and domestic. They weren't rice. These cars were just f*cking UGLY and REPULSIVE. Bad taste must be a side effect of all the experimenting and drug abuse the younger generation is doing. Stop giving rice(the food) a bad name. Please use the above mentioned capitalized words instead.

Mazda spent money putting that scoop there. It cooled the intercooler. Whether the intercooler is there or not, the airflow IS(whether forward or backward-who cares). It could only help with underhood cooling.

 

(that means I agree with DeadRX for those of you older fellas out there) I'm 16, young and impressionable, and am sick of hearing my friends telling me I should put all this stuff on my car (ugly and repulsive stuff, previously called rice) yes, I will probably put an aluminum wing (anybody know where I can find one that'll fit the small piece of body behind my 2nd gens back hatch??)....and I may put orange neon lights under my car one day...just to be different nobody around here has orange neons nobody around here has a modded out RX-7, actually, nobody has an RX-7, so I'mma show them how to show off some style (with a small sample of "rice" cosmetics) and then show them real speed with my little 1.3 litre engine that runs with two triangles and a real exhaust, none of that coffee can, wind-up toy sounding crap they call exhaust. They'll all be so desperate to even keep up with my car they might even try stuffing rice into their gas tank to get some extra kick out of their engiens. but thats just my ego talking...if anyone knows some cheap/reliable horsepower boosts for my 86 RX-7...please let me know

~Chris

 

I don't see the big deal with the subject of matter. If you want to sport a Turbo II hood on your N/A for the looks or the belief that your getting cooler engine bay tempertures...big deal! After reading in the auto trader today about an 88' with a transplanted 305 motor you are quick to beleive that this Is a BORING subject of discussion.