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Wait, now you're claiming there are no restamped GTUs'. Dude, please leave. You are not the chosen GTUs list master.
Originally Posted by Rotary Police
Really cool! Seems possible that GS can be used also to legitimize a GTUs model but the real proof (this why it’s being given) is the door sticker. Being that there is likely no restamped GTUs models ever and that myth is dead, the production numbers myth is clearly laid to rest, this is the closest possible way besides the physical proof that is the cars vin and ID tags. So I thank you greatly for posting those pictures of them and assuring that the FC is a legitimate GTUs model! I look forward to seeing it’s rebirth, do you have a build thread?
looks like we have seven total confirmed GTUs models! Way cool! I as well would love to get my hands on an old window sticker like that. What a sweet relic!
I require proof. I do not think you have one. This is your fc.
Yes, I am the GTUs list master because I discredited this thread and started the credible one on no pistons. There is an identical one to it here I copied and posted from here. If you would like to be verified as a GTUs owner prove you have a GTUs model by posting the door tag. If it’s new then your projections shown previous will confirm you cloned it. Everyone had a dinged up, same condition as the vin ID tags, door ID tag. Want to be #8, prove you are. Or admit you cannot prove it and stay on this discredited thread.
Mazda never said there was a restamped GTUs and the GTU restamped was proven. Mazda never said production numbers, you all just make sh*t up. If you have one, please post it. Other wise stop arguing it’s been laid to rest.
Vin, Door ID Tags, Outside Shot. That’s what it takes to prove it. Now help find them! Only 7 real GTUs models ever produced?!?!?!
Last edited by Rotary Police; Jun 29, 2020 at 12:32 AM.
LOL. Nobody has ever discredited the re-stamped GTUs information. Just because YOU haven't seen information doesn't lay anything to rest. Here is what we think we know until someone proves it to NOT be true.
1000 GTUs's were built for the 1989 model year
100 GTUs's were built for the 1990 model year
For some reason, Mazda turned some of the 1989's into 1990's by re-stamping the VIN and selling them as the new 1990 model year. The amount and the reason have yet been to be discovered.
Nobody cares if you assemble a GTUs database but stay in your lane on what is true and not true until you come to the table with evidence to the contrary.
Rotary, you've discredited two things so far. Jack, and ****. We've come up with more than enough proof here through VIN info, and as I've said before. The only one not wanting to accept it is you, and that's a you problem. I have a list of over 40 vins that have already been proven as a GTUs through proper vin lookup with proper labeled options and the GS 2P warranty code, which has thus far only been shown to correspond to GTUs models. 5 of those GTUs models were original 1989 and restamped as 1990 models, proving there are at least 5 restamped ones out there. We're not going to help you if you're going to continue to be a toxic *** about it because YOU refuse to accept actual evidence outside of what YOU want there to be.
Everything you just claimed has nothing to back it. Be offended at that fact. It does not change that Mazda never said and your just making up whatever you want. GS2P is just a custom ordered model. Can not verify a GTUs. Get over it. Pics or it did not happen.
No door ID tags to confirm they were GTUs models. Proof has been shown that the restamped are GTU models.
done. Your opinion means nothing to that fact.
Mazda never stayed production numbers. You cannot back your claims with Mazda because you made that up like ice mark did. Cite yourself like he did or cite him citing himself. That is your best proof, which is not.
Done. Discredited. Debunked. Laid to rest. Your lust is without proof, mine requires proof. I’m done here unless proof is given to show a GTUs model. You all know what it takes, it’s not hare to do. If you do not it is probably because you have not or do not want to lose your title as the list owner or thread carrier. Your list is not credible. It is time to require proof.
Dior ID tags, Vin firewall shot and outside shot of the car.
Last edited by Rotary Police; Jun 29, 2020 at 12:48 PM.
For some reason, Mazda turned some of the 1989's into 1990's by re-stamping the VIN and selling them as the new 1990 model year. The amount and the reason have yet been to be discovered..
there is a quirk with the 89-90 model change over, the switch happens at K0709148, 6/30/1989, and 1990 starts the same day with L0709149, the quirk is that three months later they go to L0800001. so its like star wars, 4,5,6,1,2,3...
more research is needed, and i have no conclusion, but there is a space where they had a 1989 vin series in 1990, and that is odd. so far its where the restamps happened
Great, please stop responding to this thread and go back to posting on yours. You've ruined enough.
I Agree. You do nothing productive here, Rotary Police, just go away. You're the only one saying what you're saying is enough to disprove what we're posting. While we have actual vin number, warranty number, Mazda system info proof, which outweighs you just saying it's not proof because you don't want to believe it. You saying it's not proof because you only accept x y and z, isn't disproving ****.
Last edited by Neo_Drift; Jun 29, 2020 at 01:15 PM.
You have no proof, I disproved your claims on this thread simply by pointing out Mazda never said anything about production numbers or reasons for restamped models. Vins will not prove the GTUs model. It only shows it’s with custom parts as it’s a custom order. Please stop bashing the person requiring proof to claims made.
It is so easy to prove it, unless you are making false claims. Many have, just post the door ID tags, vin on firewall and outside shot of the car and it’s legitimate. Otherwise it’s nonsense. If there are more than 30 not pictured, prove they are legitimate with pictures. Or keep attacking the person asking for proof to your claims Mazda does not back up.
Everything you just claimed has nothing to back it. Be offended at that fact. It does not change that Mazda never said and your just making up whatever you want. GS2P is just a custom ordered model. Can not verify a GTUs. Get over it. Pics or it did not happen.
Already provided you pics and documentation from Mazda. Everyone else understands this but you. Add to this the copy of the window sticker which 100% supports it. It's ok to admit when your wrong. We all want the same thing but you're digging in here when you shouldn't be. Where in the world are you getting the 'It only shows it’s with custom parts as it’s a custom order' nonsense?
Mazda never said how many GTUs models were produced. Everyone is making up claims about that.
Mazda never said why there are restamped models and they have not been proven to be GTUs models but they have been proven that they are GTU models.
The picture you showed does not show the tire size being 16” and custom order models, like the GTUs as it is a custom order model, are GS2P.
The proof is the door ID tag, firewall vin and the car itself. If you are all just going to keep denying it you are only assuring that only what has been pictured are all that are real and legit. 40 claimed and less than a dozen of those claims are proven.
how many that people claimed have one did or do and how many still actually exist?
Already provided you pics and documentation from Mazda. Everyone else understands this but you. Add to this the copy of the window sticker which 100% supports it. It's ok to admit when your wrong. We all want the same thing but you're digging in here when you shouldn't be. Where in the world are you getting the 'It only shows it’s with custom parts as it’s a custom order' nonsense?
when you have an Email from Mazda saying its a GTUs that means that Mazda said its a GTUs, so its a GTUs.
The picture you see above is an internal Mazda database with a statement from a Mazda employee that the 'GS' is the designation for the GTUs. The '2P' is not part of the trim designation but a reference to 'two passenger'. All RX-7 will have the 2P at the end of their trim designation.
Again, where are you getting this 'custom order model' information? Seems as if you are making that up.
Originally Posted by Rotary Police
Mazda never said how many GTUs models were produced. Everyone is making up claims about that.
Mazda never said why there are restamped models and they have not been proven to be GTUs models but they have been proven that they are GTU models.
The picture you showed does not show the tire size being 16” and custom order models, like the GTUs as it is a custom order model, are GS2P.
The proof is the door ID tag, firewall vin and the car itself. If you are all just going to keep denying it you are only assuring that only what has been pictured are all that are real and legit. 40 claimed and less than a dozen of those claims are proven.
how many that people claimed have one did or do and how many still actually exist?
The picture you see above is an internal Mazda database with a statement from a Mazda employee that the 'GS' is the designation for the GTUs. The '2P' is not part of the trim designation but a reference to 'two passenger'. All RX-7 will have the 2P at the end of their trim designation..
that is correct, the 2 seems to be the number of seats. the P is manual transmission for some reason they use A for Automatic. so like the convertible is a CV 2A for automatic, and CV 2P for the manual.
and the GXL is a XL 2P for 2 seat manual, and XL 4P for a 4 seat manual.
I hope he doesn't come back. but If he's not willing to accept that an actual letter from Mazda says that the GS 2P designation is for the GTUs, proving that mazda has certifiable and provable record of the model, then there's no hope for that guy.
I have a note in to my guy at Mazda to decode the coding. We know that GS means GTUs, I have asked him what the other codes are for the other trim levels. I got the 'P' info from my local parts guy. I need to talk with Mazda Motorsports again.
I have a note in to my guy at Mazda to decode the coding. We know that GS means GTUs, I have asked him what the other codes are for the other trim levels. I got the 'P' info from my local parts guy. I need to talk with Mazda Motorsports again.
it takes a bunch of digging, to get the model codes from the warranty inquiry, you need to run a bunch of vins.
the A and P is OLD its in the 1979 Rx7 model table, but they are still using it in 2020. no clue why they chose P.
kind of why i've been interested in this stuff, its been in Mazda's database this whole time, and how long are they going to keep it?
Really cool! Seems possible that GS can be used also to legitimize a GTUs model but the real proof (this why it’s being given) is the door sticker. Being that there is likely no restamped GTUs models ever and that myth is dead, the production numbers myth is clearly laid to rest, this is the closest possible way besides the physical proof that is the cars vin and ID tags. So I thank you greatly for posting those pictures of them and assuring that the FC is a legitimate GTUs model! I look forward to seeing it’s rebirth, do you have a build thread?
looks like we have seven total confirmed GTUs models! Way cool! I as well would love to get my hands on an old window sticker like that. What a sweet relic!
Man, what a rabbit hole this has went down while I was away on vacation. Lots of interesting information though. I'm a bit confused though. First it seemed after I posted my window sticker Rotary Police almost accepted "GS" as proof, now he doesn't. Re-stamps aren't legit though it makes perfect sense( at least to me) that all the GTUs cars built in '89 didn't get ordered by dealers so they got re-stamped and sold as 1990 cars. If they are re-stamped and the tire size door sticker is correct wouldn't they be legit as per his original criteria? I guess we need the holy grail of a window sticker from a re-stamped car. That couldn't be disputed. As far as the "GS" being a code for a custom order I'm pretty sure my car was not custom ordered by an individual. Here's why. A friend at work sold cars for a brief period at the local Mazda dealer in the '89-'90 time frame. We've worked together since '95 and when I got my car in '96 he remembered it being on the lot while he worked there and even going on test drives. IIRC from conversations at the time they had it a while before it finally sold.
P.S. I dug out the original binder that came with the car and found the "Pre Delivery Inspection Sheet" with a date of 6/8/89. The delivery date on the card in the binder is 4/3/90. It sat on the lot almost a year. If this was common and I think someone said these were slow sellers it would explain the re-stamps. Dealers weren't going to order more of a car they've had sitting on the lot almost a year and haven't sold yet. Hence the stock Mazda had made up got re-stamped. At least that's my take and why I accept the re-stamps are legit.
Last edited by Dak; Jul 2, 2020 at 01:27 PM.
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Man, what a rabbit hole this has went down while I was away on vacation. Lots of interesting information though. I'm a bit confused though. First it seemed after I posted my window sticker Rotary Police almost accepted "GS" as proof, now he doesn't. Re-stamps aren't legit though it makes perfect sense( at least to me) that all the GTUs cars built in '89 didn't get ordered by dealers so they got re-stamped and sold as 1990 cars. If they are re-stamped and the tire size door sticker is correct wouldn't they be legit as per his original criteria? I guess we need the holy grail of a window sticker from a re-stamped car. That couldn't be disputed. As far as the "GS" being a code for a custom order I'm pretty sure my car was not custom ordered by an individual. Here's why. A friend at work sold cars for a brief period at the local Mazda dealer in the '89-'90 time frame. We've worked together since '95 and when I got my car in '96 he remembered it being on the lot while he worked there and even going on test drives. IIRC from conversations at the time they had it a while before it finally sold.
P.S. I dug out the original binder that came with the car and found the "Pre Delivery Inspection Sheet" with a date of 6/8/89. The delivery date on the card in the binder is 4/3/90. It sat on the lot almost a year. If this was common and I think someone said these were slow sellers it would explain the re-stamps. Dealers weren't going to order more of a car they've had sitting on the lot almost a year and haven't sold yet. Hence the stock Mazda had made up got re-stamped. At least that's my take and why I accept the re-stamps are legit.
At this point I'm just ignoring Rotary Police. He's off his rocker, and not accepting proof that we have, from Mazda, that the GS 2P model code was specific to the GTUs, and can be found in their system through a vin check. I currently have 45 claimed GTUs, with vins, that all have that code as well, and we've yet to find a Vin for a non GTUs that came up with the GS 2P model code. If an actual Mazda employee is telling us that GS 2P is correct for a GTUs and Rotary Police doesn't want to believe it, that's his problem. He can have his list with the few tire sticker photos that have confirmed it according to him, but I am keeping a list of GTUs that have actually been confirmed through Vin and warranty model code as well. He doesn't have to accept it, but that's on him.
Found this window sticker for an '88 GTU and it's model designation is "SP" So unless Mazda changed it for the S5 in '89 the GTU and GTUs did not both use "GS"
