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Where is the vin# that we can check it against? Let's do a vin check on that vehicle and put it to rest. Unless you have a vin# we can check and prove it has a GS model code you still haven't given us any proof. a random single shot of a vehicle you claim to be a GTU with a GS model code says nothing, because you have no proof that it has a GS model code. Unless you can get us the vin# of that vehicle, and we can check it in the database you haven't proven anything.
and quit it with your bull **** "Only 7 GTUs models exist so far. Rarest Rx7 in the making!" garbage at the end of your posts like any of us actually care. Any sane person that comes into this thread and looks at our proof versus yours is going to realize how wrong you are.
No, GS means custom model. The GTUs was a dealer custom model that Mazda confirmed as such. All custom order cars from the factory that are not a part of the rx7 model line up from 86-91 was considered such.
This is simply not true. To anyone new getting to this thread, do not believe this. Prove it or STFU.
ok so for the FC, K07xxxxx is a 1989, and 1990 starts with L07xxxxx which is fine, but then after about 10 days switches to L08xxxxx which is weird. it is in this ~10 day period that the restamps occur.
Right, your K07 will be original 1989 cars, your L08 will be your original 1990 cars. Your L07 cars will be restamps, originally they were K07 cars, but the K was striked out and an L placed above it.
What's interesting is I think you are saying that the L07 cars have an early July build date? If so, then they changed the original build date to July because if they were originally a K car, they couldn't have been built in July, UNLESS, someone at the factory goofed up the stamping machine during the shift.
Here is what I proposed happened. July 1st 1990 cars began to produce, the stamp machine did not get changed, they continued stamping K07 for 10 days. The mistake was caught and the stamp was changed to L08. What do we do with the 10 day of mistakes? We strike the K and make it an L to meet federal guidelines.
If this is indeed what happened, then the restamped cars believed to always have been 1989 cars, are actually 1990 cars that were stamped wrong at the beginning of the 1990 production run. We can solve that by looking at the last 5 digits of the VIN. Are they low (would make them 1990 cars) or high ( making them 1989 cars)
Great Job Man! Finally verifiable truth about these cars!
Last edited by Wild Bill Massey; Jul 20, 2020 at 01:08 PM.
Right, your K07 will be original 1989 cars, your L08 will be your original 1990 cars. Your L07 cars will be restamps, originally they were K07 1989 cars, but the K was striked out and an L placed above it. They did not strike out the 7 and make it an 8 because it would of messed with L08 cars made later in 1990.
right, it appears that the L07 cars are not all restamps, just some of them
the first 1990 is L0709149 on 6/30/1989 and the last L07 that i know of (there are a lot of cars and i'm not close to being done with the research), is L0710005 on 9/23/1989 (!).
10005-9149 = 856 cars
i show the last vin of 1990 to be L0807119, 6/30/1990, 7119 + 856 = 7975, this is an approximate figure, literally back of the envelope
right, it appears that the L07 cars are not all restamps, just some of them
the first 1990 is L0709149 on 6/30/1989 and the last L07 that i know of (there are a lot of cars and i'm not close to being done with the research), is L0710005 on 9/23/1989 (!).
10005-9149 = 856 cars
i show the last vin of 1990 to be L0807119, 6/30/1990, 7119 + 856 = 7975, this is an approximate figure, literally back of the envelope
Jesus, they really f'd this up. Hope that guy got fired. Lol
I wrote some more stuff after I posted the above, not sure if you saw the whole post. I had a theory, but if the L07 goes to 9/23, that throws that out the window, but if it is 9149 to 10005, then that would mean they are late 89 models, and the build dates were changed when the restruck the vin.
I have a book that shows the VIN runs (1st and last) for each year based on 331, 332, and 335 chassis, but I don't have it here in VA with me. The book is the Mazda Crash Catalog.
I am guessing that last vin number is a 331 chassis, right? That sounds about right as Mazda only sold (total 331,332, and 335 chassis) about 17,000 FC's in 1989 and about 9700 FC's in 1990 in North America.
Jesus, they really f'd this up. Hope that guy got fired. Lol
i think it might be the guy that hand-writes FBY1 on the competition bushings... or staple the convertible trunk carpet to the piece of wood...
i just read your addition, and something like that seems to be what happened. 6/30 or 7/1 is the day they switch from 88 to 89, and 90 to 91, so the day looks right, but they didn't switch the stamping machine... why that mattered enough to re-stamp things is anybodies guess. they also do not appear to have re-stamped all of them either, just some
i'm just going by the last 6, sequentially so i'll catch all of them, eventually
i'm just going by the last 6, sequentially so i'll catch all of them, eventually
Was just curious about the latency of your reporting. Are you sharing time on a DB or mainframe or sneaking operation on the margins? Or, is it just such a large amount of data that the queries take so much time?
false. Thank you for stating there is no restamped GTUs models though. No matter how many times people deny this reality, without the door tags (even you all said it here over and over) there is no proof, just claims that have no proof without the door tag pictures.
first the moderators claimed made up production numbers, then restamped GTUs models existing with no proof. Over and over the denial of custom ordered models existing has been had and there were GTU models on the confirmed list until I required proof... That is why EVERYONE WHO ACTUALLY HAS A REAL GTUS MODEL IS POSTING THE REQUIRED PICTURES TO BE CONFIRMED AS LEGITIMATE! Only 8 real GTUs models actually exist. The end. The only way to help now is to find those who claim they are on the list and have them confirmed it with proof!
I just want the made up nonsense and claims lacking proof to stop. If you have the car, post pictures proving it.
What is most fun is the reality that if the restamped models were a model outside of the gxl,GTU,GTUs,Turbo,etc it would be the rarest being that only 3 have been found in existence! I kind of want a new thread about them and to see if we can find anymore of them! Looks like we are up to 8 real GTUs models now! This is exciting!
I got a door tag picture from the owner last night.
here it is...
Awesome!!! This is confirmed as the 8th GTUs model to be known to exist! Welcome to the rarest rx7 club owners list! I will have it registered on all the sites and groups! Thanks!
Well... Went to add it to the list and saw it is already there, still making you the owner of one of only 7 real GTUs models ever produced but not adding more to the list. Let me know if you end up making a build thread, I would love to follows it!
Was just curious about the latency of your reporting. Are you sharing time on a DB or mainframe or sneaking operation on the margins? Or, is it just such a large amount of data that the queries take so much time?
the data set isn't that big, but i have to query by individual vin. there are also two databases, right now i'm just using the parts catalog, there is a second database also. so its a slow process and i do need to squeeze it in to a normal work day too.
not sure what you mean by latency, they update the EPC daily (i'm also looking for the 100AE Mx5's), and it seems to run a day or two ahead of actual production. its actually kind of neat i think the EPC update is automated, but the warranty DB feels like its done by hand. Mazda early adopted this stuff, so the EPC goes back to 1986, and the warranty DB goes to 1981
this one is a good example of a what the re stamp cars look like. if you put the last 6 into the EPC it comes up with two Rx7's, a 1989 and a 1990 (plus all the other cars that are a 7xxxxx)
so then we can go to the Warranty thing, and the 1989 car does not exist,
so we try the 1990 vin, and we have a car, there is some info i'm not posting, due to privacy reasons.
the EPC then will show this, the color doesn't agree, which is odd, but you can see, Hard Suspension, 2 seater, no sunroof, LS diff, no turbo, the STG seat and TDB door panel are the GTUs ones
and we can go one step further and it'll pick the GTUs badge
it just goes to show how many resources we have available, and how lucky we really are, to get this kind of info for some of the big ticket collector cars would be impossible
the data set isn't that big, but i have to query by individual vin. there are also two databases, right now i'm just using the parts catalog, there is a second database also. so its a slow process and i do need to squeeze it in to a normal work day too.
not sure what you mean by latency, they update the EPC daily (i'm also looking for the 100AE Mx5's), and it seems to run a day or two ahead of actual production. its actually kind of neat i think the EPC update is automated, but the warranty DB feels like its done by hand. Mazda early adopted this stuff, so the EPC goes back to 1986, and the warranty DB goes to 1981
You just had mentioned the effort and time it takes for you to run data, and I was curious how it all works.
this one is a good example of a what the re stamp cars look like. if you put the last 6 into the EPC it comes up with two Rx7's, a 1989 and a 1990 (plus all the other cars that are a 7xxxxx)
so then we can go to the Warranty thing, and the 1989 car does not exist,
so we try the 1990 vin, and we have a car, there is some info i'm not posting, due to privacy reasons.
the EPC then will show this, the color doesn't agree, which is odd, but you can see, Hard Suspension, 2 seater, no sunroof, LS diff, no turbo, the STG seat and TDB door panel are the GTUs ones
and we can go one step further and it'll pick the GTUs badge
it just goes to show how many resources we have available, and how lucky we really are, to get this kind of info for some of the big ticket collector cars would be impossible
See! No proof of the rim size, hard suspension does not mean 16” turbo rims, that’s why you said you need the door ID tag to prove what you have shown. Why he posted the door tag to be confirmed on the real GTUs registry list.
What do you personally think about the restamped GTU and why they happened?
So are there really only 7 real GTUs models ever produced? It’s hard to imagine there even being 100 if over 30 years have only produced 30 something claims and only 7 real ones! Crazy! Absolutely the rarest model rx7 ever produced!
Is repeated stupidity a ban-able offense? I could mute this fella for a couple days just to cut y'all a break.
If there's anyway to mute him for a couple days, that'd be great. His repetitive nonsense is beyond annoying, but sadly it's probably not ban-able. I do wish we could at least get a mod to give him a warning or something.
So are there really only 7 real GTUs models ever produced? It’s hard to imagine there even being 100 if over 30 years have only produced 30 something claims and only 7 real ones! Crazy! Absolutely the rarest model rx7 ever produced!
I'm thinking more along the lines of you've verified there are at least 7 that haven't went to the crusher. Remember these cars are 30 to31 years old. There's a real good chance some of them have been crushed. Also not everyone that had one knew what they had or was ever a member of this forum. It's like how many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop. The world may never know.
