Of course I do. If you would like to see them I would be happy to snap some photos. I validated all of this before I bought it 10 years ago. California car I had shipped to MA. VIN sequence in the registry.

 

Unfortunately the door tag will not verify a GTUs as such either. The VIN tag and the tire tag are different stickers. Any one could of stuck a 16" tire sticker on the door jamb as they were available up to a few years ago from Mazda. Every part that makes a GTUs a GTUs can be swapped out.

The only way a car could truly be verified is if the owner had the original window sticker, which would show the model and the VIN on one document.

However, we can weed out some cars if the car has a factory sunroof, as it absolutely can not be a GTUs unless someone cut the top off and welded in a sunroof stamped top. The factory sunroofs were STAMPED into the sheet metal. YES, there were some GTUs' that have dealer added sunroof, but these are identifiable because the roof was CUT to accept the sunroof, and these sunroofs are larger than the factory sunroofs.

I have NOS GTUs fender decals, but I refuse to sell them because I do not want them to end up on a fake car.

Here is a pic of my GTUs with period correct BBS RS wheels, Wings West wing, factory AC delete, factory radio delete, factory auto seat belt delete, and factory rear bin delete. Turbo hood only thing not correct on car.

 

that would be awesome! Because it does not show GTUS on the title the vin does not verify it is a GTUs model. Only showing the door tag proving it came with turbo rims comparing the non-turbo Vin number is the only way to assure it is actually a GTUs model.

so without the pictures of the door tags and the Vin number there is no proving to Mazda or to the Rx7club that you have a real GTUs. Putting your Vin number down does not verify or prove you have a GTUs. Only pics of the tags and vins can prove it.


Because there are so many people claiming they have one when it has been proven they do not this is the only way to prove that you do. I am excited to see the pictures and put another verified one on the list!

 

where it is possible that someone could fake a sticker like the fake stickers that are being made as showed above, It is still the only way to prove the car is a legitimate GTUs model as Mazda cannot verify it. I have called mazdas branches globally and they have confirmed there is no way to prove how many models were made as well as if you have one through the Vin number. There have been a lot of false claims on this thread and until I see a picture from those who have made the claims I am assuming they are not.

because it is very easy to prove you have this rare model by posting the door tag and the Vin number those who do not posted are obviously not with one of the rare models.

I am sure that there will be a lot of people trying to make clone cars out there as people did 260s cars. They will be easy to spot and easy to call out. If you see someone who is claiming they have one of these rare models but is gathering parts to make one it is logical to question the validity of the car.


so if there is a brand new turbo rim sticker on the inner door it is suspect and the person can be assumed to have a clone. Especially if it is the only new sticker while the Vin number sticker is aged. Because you cannot purchase one of those new.


so the only way to prove you have one of these rare models is by posting a picture of the door tag the firewall Vin number and the outside of the car. If you do not do this you have not proven you have one of these rare models and if you do not do it while claiming you do it is suspect and logical to presume you’re lying.

Btw that fc is exquisite! Seriously classy and clean!

 

that is both true and not true. they cannot verify it because it doesn't exist, but Mazda can verify a GTUs.

in the parts catalog it is an FC02, coupe, w/o AAS w/ Limited Slip Diff, in the Warranty history, its a GS 2P.
so you see there is no such thing as a GTUs

 

I fully agree and find it to be kind of the joy of this model! As shown in the other thread and as I stated previously Mazda has only confirmed the existence of the GTUS but not how many models were made and there is no way to verify outside of what has been produced by them which is on this thread and a couple others showing what it came with. So showing that it came with all of the parts Mazda has stated it would have on it through the few things they have released about the GTUs is the only way to show what it is. It would be very suspect to see a brand new turbo rim sticker next to a very old Vin number sticker on a restored car, that is very suspect. So providing the original door tags and Vin number are the only ways to truly verify the car is a legitimate GTUs produced by Mazda!

 

That's super cool to see. Thanks for that info.

 

Exactly. I dug up the email string I had with Tim Buck from MazdaUSA from 2009. He decoded my VIN to verify this was a real GTUs before I bought it. They have an internal archives database. Under "Model Code" is "RX7 GS" for the GTUs. My VIN JM1FC3317L0800001 codes out to the proper model. And of course the non-X VIN for 1990 means it's one of the 100...and the 800001 shows us it was the first car built in 1990. I think it's crazy cool.

 

interesting, so the snap on epc tells you the production date? the current POS catalog doesn't...

but yeah its easy to verify the car. if you go into the catalog and pick the GTUs badge it knows that as well

 

That is awesome! So when you were purchasing it they did all this? It still needs the door tags to be truly verified as a real GTUS. Because I got the exact same write up from them with a Gtu vin number. That is why it does not say tire size or sun roof option. It could be a gtu with a lsd. Here is a gtu with an lsd, non sunroof and last month and year.




This car was claimed as a GTUS model for many years, it was not. The only way it was possible to be discredited was the inner door tags. They even got the local dealership to say it was a GTUs. It was also a local Washington car.

Mazda has never said how many of these models were made. I believe there is not any proof available to back people’s claims that there are the 100 non restamped. So far the rarest is proving to be the only two in existence restamped. Because there are far more non-restamped found and proven to exist. This is why we need a new list and people need to provide proof so that we can verify how many actually exist!

can you toss up an engine bay and inner door shot so we can put this car down as verified (super verified)?!?
Honestly I wouldn’t mind you posting as many pictures of your car as you wanted to, especially that sweet wing! Or is there a pic thread you have of it somewhere?





as it stands right now there are only four legitimate and confirmed non restamped GTUs models to exist and only two restamped models that exist. All it takes to verify your car as one of these rare models is a pic of the door tags and the vin on the firewall to match it!

 

There's definitely more than two restamped. I've personally seen 5 different restamped vins, claimed GTUs in my searches. Unless they were restamping any and all 89 FCs at some point. Also, I've gotta get some photos of mine, which sits at my friend's house, but it's definitely not a restamp, and it's a definite 89 GTUs due to vin/tire tag. Which is how I verified it back when I originally had it in 2008/09. All GTUs sold as 89s did not have a restamp. Only some of the 1989s were restamped for sale as 1990 cars, and there was a small number of non restamped 1990 GTUs cars.

I appreciate your interest in trying to verify everything absolutely, but you've gotta stop spouting some of the nonsense you do. It just makes you look bad.

 

I was not saying there is only two restamped I am stating that there have only been pictures of two available online. If you have more please put them online.

There is absolutely no proof that Mazda has ever claimed anything about the re-stamped or non-restamped models. I do not appreciate people making up things without having any proof to back the claims they seem to be making up.

You just stated that the only way you could verify the car was a GTUS was the door ID tag showing it came with 16in rims.

because that is the only way to prove the model is a GTUs.

I just want to know how many actual models were produced and I’m tired of all of the false claims being made without any proof to show them as legitimate claims. Especially when it’s a simple as posting a picture of the inner door tag of your car.

Because a GTU was just posted here as a GTUs. We need the proof to verify it. It’s easy!

 

my authentic GTUs. Been with my family since 1995. No longer have the fender decals since the car has been resprayed and now it has wide front fenders

 

What hood is that? Clean AF GTUs!

 

That's a panspeed replica hood, cut to fit my vmount

 

Thank you for posting those pictures! I will add you to the registry lists on the forums! You are the fifth one confirmed as legit and by far my favorite so far! Absolutely amazing! Thank you for keeping that beauty alive!👍

 

Sorry, I think I kept getting confused by your comments then. Don't really mean to come off as arguing or being belligerent, myself either. While going through the other thread, I also got confused by one of The Spyder Killers' comments thinking it was yours, so I'm sorry. It's Joe, and he has some pretty ridiculous and constantly changing number claims, most likely to try touting the rarity of his own car. An obvious fallacy as we don't know the actual numbers, like we've been discussing. I know you posted on that thread a couple times, and I got some of his and your comments confused.

I will reiterate though, for clarity. No GTUs sold as a 1989 model will be restamped. since the Restamp to the 'L' on the vin legally changes it to a 1990 model. I do think these restamped ones are where the biggest confusion is, too, because there's no telling how many were restamped or not. The earliest claimed restamped vin I've been able to find is L0708531. The highest non stamped claimed 1989 vin I've seen is K0707871, which is a May/89 build date, and is actually Joe's GTUs. The earliest non stamped 1990 model is ATB's L0800001, which is a July/89 build date. So, though I can't be certain of this yet, June/89 seems to be the build month when they started stamping restamping them to legally sell as 1990 models. Since both Joe's and ATB's are verified cars, we know the restampings have to be during a time period between those two.

I'll try and run through and find photos of the restamped ones I've seen, but that was back when I started making my Google Sheet a week or two ago, and I was searching through RX7 forum posts for about 5 hours. Sure wish I'd saved the photos now though. haha. I've tried going through based on the usernames I have, and can't seem to find the specific posts/photos. I wish I knew if the restamping was a definite sign of it being a GTUs, but there's no real way of knowing.

I'll also try and get to my friend's house at some point soon and photo my own tags so you can see for yourself, though I can absolutely assure you it's a legitimate GTUs. (89, non stamped.)

 

The first picture I posted does show the GS designation that is for the GTUs. The second one, yes a non GTUs could have come thorough looking like that. I knew Tim at the time through various SCCA racing outlets and I asked him to verify the VIN as a real GTUs and those two screenshots are what he sent me when he confirmed it was. The car is in storage right now but I will be getting to it this week when I pull my Miata out and I will snap the pics. Car has a stock mint interior, Borla cat-back, BBS LM 16" staggered wheels and coilovers.

 

it seems to me that every thread has made a great deal of false or unprovable claims. And I think this is where everyone’s confusion is being had. This thread was the start of all of the confusion. ICE Mark made the claim about the non-re-stamped and product numbers. To back his claim he cited himself. Over the past 20 years there have been about five blogs that have used his claims. This does not legitimize the claims made on this thread or on those blogs. There is no legitimate proof to the claims on the other threads either. As far as I can tell everyone who has ever posted about production numbers or the rumored restamped has been making it up. Because Mazda has never said anything about how many were produced or why there are restamped models at all.

this is why I am wanting everyone to stick to facts and what is provable. While I fully agree that it is possible to create a clone of this model I find it to be incredibly difficult and I do believe that the community would be aware of a clone being made. Especially after the uproar about them lately. However because of the limited information released about these models the only legitimate way to prove it is a GTUs is the is the is tags. I appreciate everybody being willing to help track down and legitimize the previous list. We have one for the 10 AE anniversary models And I think it would be wise to have one for other rare models as well. Maybe a sticky?

if you end up finding those pictures and can post them up that would be amazing and I would love to see them! I do not understand why there are re-stamped models but I do find them interesting and would love to know how many were made and why. However it is possible we will never be able to put this rumor to rest And instead just have to live with guessing in tracking down all those that were produced.

 

Whoa Whoa Whoa! Wait a minute! This could be a game changer. What is this Mazda EPC thing? This looks like it can verify a GTUs. In the vin used below, the chassis is a 331, which we all know is a N/A (332 being Turbo), and the only N/A S5 that came with a L.S. Diff was the GTUs. Do we have access to this database? Can we put a GTU and GXL vin in to verify it will say non-L.S. Diff ("Normal Diff" is Mazda's official description)?

And before anyone comes back with "other S5 N/A models came with LSD", No They Did Not. We can prove this with both the brochures from each year as well as the Mazda Parts Catalogs.

 

its interesting that you post that, i sit in front of the Mazda EPC at work all day, yes, it knows. the screen shots are from the Snap on version, and then i'm sitting in front of the GEPC, which is an in house one. ideally we would actually hack the original EPC, as it was actually the easiest one to use and all the search stuff works, it only goes up to 1997 or so, but that is fine i think. there is another one we had before the GEPC too, i forget what its called. there are like 9 different ones, lol

so anyways given enough time i could actually have a list of all the GTUs vins, although it would require ALL of the 89-90 vins be run, so it would be a LONG process

 

I posted a picture of an S5 N/A FC that came with a stock LSD. There are many that can also show their S5 N/A that came with a factory LSD. Because cars bought new can have parts they were not supposed to come with added to the original purchase. Thus the GTU with a factory non sunroof and LSD shown above.

The only way to prove you have a GTUs is the door ID tags and vin. It has been overwhelmingly agreed on and people are already providing the proof needed because it is easy to do if it is a legitimate GTUs.

If it was possible to get the information from a database that stored such information then that information would have already been obtained. Mazda has made it very clear they do not have any information on how many of these models were released. On a couple of threads it is shown Mazda saying this. The vin number does not show it’s a GTUs, the GTU can have a non sunroof and LSD as shown above. Dealerships have no more information than Mazda USA or Japan. The door is tag is the only thing that proves it is a GTUs.


Does anyone know if Junpower still has his black 90 or that white one on this thread? They only need that door tag to be confirmed! Let’s try to get those door tags posted and verify the list!

 

There is absolutely no way a S5 N/A came from the factory with an LSD except for the GTUs, PERIOD! We have documentation from Mazda. This is not new information. Sure, there are cars out there with LSD but they were swapped in. These cars are over 30 years old and have changed numerous hands. I have been in the FC game since they sat on the lot new in 1985. S5 N/A DID NOT come from the factory with an LSD.

The damn door sticker does not solidly prove a GTUs. Someone could of bought a 16" tire sticker PART# FC17-69-014 and stuck it in the door jamb. The ONLY proof is a window sticker that was on the car when it was new, but aint none of us have those.

With the EPC thing showing if the VIN came with or without a LSD, that is promising evidence.

 

would it? the information is there. currently we can only go by individual vin, which works but it takes a long time.

 

What you said is false. You can have ordered a LSD or non sunroof option in an S5 and many did.

Your window claim is nonsense. No one is putting on phony door stickers to clone a GTUs.

It is obvious to me that those who claim they have a GTUs but cannot post up the picture of the door tag does not have a GTUs. It is logical to assume that one would do anything they could to avoid posting something they do not have.


This thread has been going for almost 20 years and I am the first to require proof and what proving it is. The other GTUs threads are credible, this ones clearly making up claims with nothing to back it (production numbers and the restamped nonsense) while Mazda has said nothing and provided nothing but that they were made. Brochures. Dealers are not trustworthy, random people make **** up. Pics or it did not happen. Door tags, vin, car. Not hard!