Have you heard the rumor that 1st gen glass is NLA?
05-23-17, 06:27 PM
#1
Have you heard the rumor that 1st gen glass is NLA?
Don't believe it.
Here's one you can buy on ebay right now for only $350 shipped:
1979-1985 Mazda RX-7 Windshield, OEM, Brand New | eBay
And here's one I picked up locally this morning, a total take home cost of $132.50 ($125 +$7.50 GA sales tax).
Here's one you can buy on ebay right now for only $350 shipped:
1979-1985 Mazda RX-7 Windshield, OEM, Brand New | eBay
And here's one I picked up locally this morning, a total take home cost of $132.50 ($125 +$7.50 GA sales tax).
05-24-17, 08:35 AM
#4
that price is comparable to the prices in Socal. new windshield will phase out soon since there is not really any demand for it so stack up boys. there are approx 20 junkyards in LA,there are hardly any RX-7s (78-91). i have 2 used windshields that im saving for future use. 79-85 are the same
05-24-17, 08:47 AM
#5
Waffles - hmmm good
iTrader: (1)
Isn't the SA glass different? I thought it didn't have the frit around the edges and the sunshade was a different color? The one on my SA is original and the sunshade appears to be blueish and there doesn't appear to be frit on it either.
I remember a thread about this earlier. I'll see if I can dig it up.
I remember a thread about this earlier. I'll see if I can dig it up.
05-24-17, 09:37 AM
#6
ancient wizard...
All 1st gen glass dimensionally identical. Sa clear with blue tint i believe. Fb has black frit band all around and green tint. Good price on that glass Ray,thought i got a good deal on one i purchased. FW00462 was # yours same? Only couple companies that make windsield glass for our cars,thought hard about buying two,to keep one as a spare. Have seen some cheaper ones,the glass that safelite installs is of less quality than # above-unless you stipulate you want the better quality shield installed,then price for job more than doubles. They won't warrant one i purchased if they break it on install,though it's the same exact one they sell. Still looking for a reputable glass installer...
05-24-17, 12:24 PM
#7
Waffles - hmmm good
iTrader: (1)
Thats SAs for you, always different. I have some scratches and a chip that seems to be stable.
I wouldn't trust safelite to install a new one since you have to remove the trim and replace the clips when
its done. I've read too many horror stories about how t hat goes down.
I wouldn't trust safelite to install a new one since you have to remove the trim and replace the clips when
its done. I've read too many horror stories about how t hat goes down.
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05-24-17, 02:06 PM
#8
Mike yes the unit I bought locally unit is an FW00462 sold by Mygrant Glass and manufactured in China by XYG Xinji Automobile Glass company. The sun tint band is green and it appears to be identical in all respects to the one for sale on ebay, include the part number. Purchased from an Atlanta company called Low Price Auto Glass:
Windshield Replacement | Norcross, GA - Low Price Auto Glass
Interesting that you point out different aftermarket units are of "different quality". From what I know about aftermarket parts, that is almost certainly a political statement. Kind of like how the big US pharmaceutical companies claim generic drugs from India are laced with cyanide. But I beg to be proven wrong on this.
The tinting in the sun band seems to be somewhat random. I have three FBs out in the yard that all appear to have original OEM windshields since they have the Mazda logo etched in the glass.
One is a white 83 GSL with brown sun band tint, the second a silver 84 GSL with brown sun band tint and the third a chateau silver 83 LE with blue sun band tint. And as you can see from the photos the aftermarket XYG unit has green sun band tint (and yes, all SA's and FB's use the same windshield size).
All of the units on my cars and the aftermarket one I bought have light green tint throughout the glass and a black band around the frame, so I'm guessing that part is standard.
So maybe the sun band matched the model type (GSL had brown for example, LE had blue) or maybe the sun band was matched to the paint color? Or maybe it's just random, who knows.
Windshield Replacement | Norcross, GA - Low Price Auto Glass
Interesting that you point out different aftermarket units are of "different quality". From what I know about aftermarket parts, that is almost certainly a political statement. Kind of like how the big US pharmaceutical companies claim generic drugs from India are laced with cyanide. But I beg to be proven wrong on this.
The tinting in the sun band seems to be somewhat random. I have three FBs out in the yard that all appear to have original OEM windshields since they have the Mazda logo etched in the glass.
One is a white 83 GSL with brown sun band tint, the second a silver 84 GSL with brown sun band tint and the third a chateau silver 83 LE with blue sun band tint. And as you can see from the photos the aftermarket XYG unit has green sun band tint (and yes, all SA's and FB's use the same windshield size).
All of the units on my cars and the aftermarket one I bought have light green tint throughout the glass and a black band around the frame, so I'm guessing that part is standard.
So maybe the sun band matched the model type (GSL had brown for example, LE had blue) or maybe the sun band was matched to the paint color? Or maybe it's just random, who knows.
05-25-17, 09:36 AM
#9
ancient wizard...
Thats SAs for you, always different. I have some scratches and a chip that seems to be stable.
I wouldn't trust safelite to install a new one since you have to remove the trim and replace the clips when
its done. I've read too many horror stories about how t hat goes down.
I wouldn't trust safelite to install a new one since you have to remove the trim and replace the clips when
its done. I've read too many horror stories about how t hat goes down.
05-25-17, 09:51 AM
#10
ancient wizard...
Mike yes the unit I bought locally unit is an FW00462 sold by Mygrant Glass and manufactured in China by XYG Xinji Automobile Glass company. The sun tint band is green and it appears to be identical in all respects to the one for sale on ebay, include the part number. Purchased from an Atlanta company called Low Price Auto Glass:
Windshield Replacement | Norcross, GA - Low Price Auto Glass
Interesting that you point out different aftermarket units are of "different quality". From what I know about aftermarket parts, that is almost certainly a political statement. Kind of like how the big US pharmaceutical companies claim generic drugs from India are laced with cyanide. But I beg to be proven wrong on this.
The tinting in the sun band seems to be somewhat random. I have three FBs out in the yard that all appear to have original OEM windshields since they have the Mazda logo etched in the glass.
One is a white 83 GSL with brown sun band tint, the second a silver 84 GSL with brown sun band tint and the third a chateau silver 83 LE with blue sun band tint. And as you can see from the photos the aftermarket XYG unit has green sun band tint (and yes, all SA's and FB's use the same windshield size).
All of the units on my cars and the aftermarket one I bought have light green tint throughout the glass and a black band around the frame, so I'm guessing that part is standard.
So maybe the sun band matched the model type (GSL had brown for example, LE had blue) or maybe the sun band was matched to the paint color? Or maybe it's just random, who knows.
Windshield Replacement | Norcross, GA - Low Price Auto Glass
Interesting that you point out different aftermarket units are of "different quality". From what I know about aftermarket parts, that is almost certainly a political statement. Kind of like how the big US pharmaceutical companies claim generic drugs from India are laced with cyanide. But I beg to be proven wrong on this.
The tinting in the sun band seems to be somewhat random. I have three FBs out in the yard that all appear to have original OEM windshields since they have the Mazda logo etched in the glass.
One is a white 83 GSL with brown sun band tint, the second a silver 84 GSL with brown sun band tint and the third a chateau silver 83 LE with blue sun band tint. And as you can see from the photos the aftermarket XYG unit has green sun band tint (and yes, all SA's and FB's use the same windshield size).
All of the units on my cars and the aftermarket one I bought have light green tint throughout the glass and a black band around the frame, so I'm guessing that part is standard.
So maybe the sun band matched the model type (GSL had brown for example, LE had blue) or maybe the sun band was matched to the paint color? Or maybe it's just random, who knows.
05-25-17, 11:12 AM
#11
"From what I know about aftermarket parts, that is almost certainly a political statement"
This is called "fishing" Mike, an attempt to solicit a response from an expert (like yourself) who can offer reliable and useful information. Or, more often, to just **** someone off so they say or do something stupid, like that Greg Gianforte guy did out in Montana last night.
So thanks for the info, that's what I wanted to hear! I'll closely inspect my XYG unit for apparent flaws. It was made in China, a problem for some, although in my recent experience Chinese stuff has been pretty good, even superior to domestic.
Of course all this is "academic" if we can no longer obtain new windshields for our 1st gens or if there is only one option, such as the currently available XYG unit.
"Tim,i removed all trim & windshield myself. With w/shield out,area beneath was cleaned to bare metal,primed,sealed and color coat applied before laying w/shield back in place and taping in to minimize any chance of overspray getting into interior of car. Found a local glass guy to come to where the car is and install new shield using proper bead thickness of urethane sealer. I'll refit all trim pieces. Went back and forth with myself whether to repaint w/shield trim or not as was in near perfect condition,finally decided to repaint."
Good deal, thanks Mike, that's what I'll do when the time comes.
This is called "fishing" Mike, an attempt to solicit a response from an expert (like yourself) who can offer reliable and useful information. Or, more often, to just **** someone off so they say or do something stupid, like that Greg Gianforte guy did out in Montana last night.
So thanks for the info, that's what I wanted to hear! I'll closely inspect my XYG unit for apparent flaws. It was made in China, a problem for some, although in my recent experience Chinese stuff has been pretty good, even superior to domestic.
Of course all this is "academic" if we can no longer obtain new windshields for our 1st gens or if there is only one option, such as the currently available XYG unit.
"Tim,i removed all trim & windshield myself. With w/shield out,area beneath was cleaned to bare metal,primed,sealed and color coat applied before laying w/shield back in place and taping in to minimize any chance of overspray getting into interior of car. Found a local glass guy to come to where the car is and install new shield using proper bead thickness of urethane sealer. I'll refit all trim pieces. Went back and forth with myself whether to repaint w/shield trim or not as was in near perfect condition,finally decided to repaint."
Good deal, thanks Mike, that's what I'll do when the time comes.
Last edited by ray green; 05-25-17 at 06:23 PM.
05-26-17, 03:37 PM
#12
Rotary Enthusiast
Certain rare colors are NLA or very difficult to find in DOT approved US spec. IIRC I replaced a bronze tint with shade and it took Ira the glass guy a couple days to find one, which turned out to be cracked in the warehouse. Luckily he found another one eventually.
It would be possible to have a batch of windshields made up from a quality manufacturer, if a few people get together for a group buy.
It would be possible to have a batch of windshields made up from a quality manufacturer, if a few people get together for a group buy.
05-29-17, 04:41 PM
#13
I had a chance to look more closely at the XYG unit I bought, it looks fine as far as I can tell.
No chips, cracks or distortions that I can see.
Here's a picture of the certifications stamped on the lower driver's side of the windshield, it's got some DOT numbers so I suppose it's DOT certified.
Of course like Mike says, sometimes you only see problems after the unit has been installed and you're out for a test drive, so you can never be sure.
But as long as you're OK with the green sun band tint this unit seems to be a bargain at $132.50.
I wonder if the XYG unit is available in other parts of the country at the same price?
No chips, cracks or distortions that I can see.
Here's a picture of the certifications stamped on the lower driver's side of the windshield, it's got some DOT numbers so I suppose it's DOT certified.
Of course like Mike says, sometimes you only see problems after the unit has been installed and you're out for a test drive, so you can never be sure.
But as long as you're OK with the green sun band tint this unit seems to be a bargain at $132.50.
I wonder if the XYG unit is available in other parts of the country at the same price?
05-30-17, 01:58 PM
#14
Thats SAs for you, always different. I have some scratches and a chip that seems to be stable.
I wouldn't trust safelite to install a new one since you have to remove the trim and replace the clips when
its done. I've read too many horror stories about how t hat goes down.
I wouldn't trust safelite to install a new one since you have to remove the trim and replace the clips when
its done. I've read too many horror stories about how t hat goes down.
$350 or so installed in my car with a no leak guarantee. And it doesn't leak. And it's NEW glass, not pitted or scratched junkyard glass. Smooth as butter.
Of course, YMMV, but overall I had a good experience.
05-30-17, 02:37 PM
#15
ancient wizard...
I had a chance to look more closely at the XYG unit I bought, it looks fine as far as I can tell.
No chips, cracks or distortions that I can see.
Here's a picture of the certifications stamped on the lower driver's side of the windshield, it's got some DOT numbers so I suppose it's DOT certified.
Of course like Mike says, sometimes you only see problems after the unit has been installed and you're out for a test drive, so you can never be sure.
But as long as you're OK with the green sun band tint this unit seems to be a bargain at $132.50.
I wonder if the XYG unit is available in other parts of the country at the same price?
No chips, cracks or distortions that I can see.
Here's a picture of the certifications stamped on the lower driver's side of the windshield, it's got some DOT numbers so I suppose it's DOT certified.
Of course like Mike says, sometimes you only see problems after the unit has been installed and you're out for a test drive, so you can never be sure.
But as long as you're OK with the green sun band tint this unit seems to be a bargain at $132.50.
I wonder if the XYG unit is available in other parts of the country at the same price?
05-30-17, 04:28 PM
#16
Yes Mike I'd be interested in the glass inspection procedure.
Please post here, I'm sure others are dying to know how to do a windshield inspection, sounds like a Must Know kind of thing.
When you say you paid about the same price as I did (good deal, $20 more) was that for the same XYG unit or a similar one that is also DOT approved?
If the latter can you tell us who made it and where?
I wouldn't be surprised if Safelite is using inferior glass, they need to do something to cut their margins to pay for all those TV ads.
Although James sounds like he's satisfied with his Safelite unit.
James can you get a picture of the certifications stamped on your Safelite unit?
I'd be interested in the manufacture details, who and where it was made.
This thread is turning out to be a Gold Mine of information about still available 1st gen windshields.
Please post here, I'm sure others are dying to know how to do a windshield inspection, sounds like a Must Know kind of thing.
When you say you paid about the same price as I did (good deal, $20 more) was that for the same XYG unit or a similar one that is also DOT approved?
If the latter can you tell us who made it and where?
I wouldn't be surprised if Safelite is using inferior glass, they need to do something to cut their margins to pay for all those TV ads.
Although James sounds like he's satisfied with his Safelite unit.
James can you get a picture of the certifications stamped on your Safelite unit?
I'd be interested in the manufacture details, who and where it was made.
This thread is turning out to be a Gold Mine of information about still available 1st gen windshields.
05-31-17, 08:27 PM
#17
Full Member
Recently replaced mine. 150 in "Canadian" dollars and 15 for clip kit. No problem in getting them.
The old one also had a distortion in the line of sight plus it was badly pitted.
The old one also had a distortion in the line of sight plus it was badly pitted.
06-02-17, 03:53 PM
#20
Thanks Mike, good to know. Sounds like this XYG unit has a lock on the 1st windshield market. Makes me glad I didn't waste more time shopping.
I did some research on the mounting clips, thanks to boyee who answered this question back in 2010 in a thread on this forum:
https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generati...-clips-930617/
"for the top and bottom trim clips PN: 1243-50-609 and you need 14 of these for a complete set (3 for each side on the top and 8 on the bottom)
for the side trims the PN for the fasteners is: 8871-50-608 and you need 6 of these (3 for each side)"
The clips are still readily available on ebay, atkins and places like that but they don't give them away. Do ebay and google searches for the part numbers to locate vendors.
Note: I just counted the mounting studs for the top and bottom clips (1243-50-609) on my 84 GSL and came up with a total of 18 (8 across the top and 10 across the bottom), not sure why boyee and atkins rotary report 14, but maybe you don't need to use all the mounting studs.
I did some research on the mounting clips, thanks to boyee who answered this question back in 2010 in a thread on this forum:
https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generati...-clips-930617/
"for the top and bottom trim clips PN: 1243-50-609 and you need 14 of these for a complete set (3 for each side on the top and 8 on the bottom)
for the side trims the PN for the fasteners is: 8871-50-608 and you need 6 of these (3 for each side)"
The clips are still readily available on ebay, atkins and places like that but they don't give them away. Do ebay and google searches for the part numbers to locate vendors.
Note: I just counted the mounting studs for the top and bottom clips (1243-50-609) on my 84 GSL and came up with a total of 18 (8 across the top and 10 across the bottom), not sure why boyee and atkins rotary report 14, but maybe you don't need to use all the mounting studs.
06-02-17, 08:12 PM
#21
ancient wizard...
Ray,i bought my mounting clip set from an ebay vendor about a year ago,pretty reasonable. Haven't gotten to the point of using it yet. When i get a minute i'll look in my "bible" for the receipt/vendor info.
06-03-17, 07:14 PM
#22
Thanks Mike.
OK, i put in my orders on the clips.
Top and bottom clips, need 18 got 25 from ebay for $18:
25 Mazda Windshield Moulding Clips 1243-50-609 | eBay
Side clips (need 6, about $24 delivered):
https://www.realmazdaparts.com/oem-p...clip-124350609
A total rip off at $42 for 31 little pieces of plastic, but it's only going to get worse.
OK, i put in my orders on the clips.
Top and bottom clips, need 18 got 25 from ebay for $18:
25 Mazda Windshield Moulding Clips 1243-50-609 | eBay
Side clips (need 6, about $24 delivered):
https://www.realmazdaparts.com/oem-p...clip-124350609
A total rip off at $42 for 31 little pieces of plastic, but it's only going to get worse.
06-05-17, 08:52 AM
#24
06-05-17, 11:42 PM
#25
Yup, that's what I said. Pricey, but worse when Trump cuts off the China Connection.
I like KC's idea, 3D print the suckers. Screw the Capitalists.
Anybody got a 3D printer and time on their hands?
I'll be getting my new clips in soon, we can make a deal.
I like KC's idea, 3D print the suckers. Screw the Capitalists.
Anybody got a 3D printer and time on their hands?
I'll be getting my new clips in soon, we can make a deal.