You're paid to enforce laws, not pass judgement on some one,and not to enforce laws you feel should be. A loop hole is still legal. Wether you like it is not and should never be brought into the situation. If some one has broken the law they get a ticket period, there is no need for you to bring your personal emotion into a situation. If a person has legally altered their vehicle in a way that is LEGAL under the state law then you have NO right to hastle them and it makes NO difference what you think. Now if the car has been modified in a legal way then operated in an illegal way such as removing the legal components, you have a right to ticket the owner, however there is still no reason you should ever take any of this personal or "Be an ***"

 

But the "loophole" that this guy is using is actually illegal since the owners remove the natural gas system once they smog the car. So bite my ***.



If you read my posts, that is what my concern is from the beginning, I believe that the conversion is legal, but it is what the owners do afterwards is what I am against. Reading comprehension is your friend Donovan.

 

all this CA smog stuff sucks.

It would be cool if there was a fee you could pay to legally be a gross polluter but still stay within some limits like db levels and stuff. Like a 1500 dollar fee id have to pay a year to legally drive a modified car on the street. **** id pay that to fix up my car. instead of that money going to some shady smog shop. if you wanna play then you gotta pay. and for those that done want to pay that fee, then they shouldnt be spending money fixing up their cars in the first place.

i thought car culture was a huge part of america. like james dean and the v8 guys, hot rodders, and classic cars. and now it seems like the all the state is trying to do is say yeah you can have a car, but it better be BONE stock.

 

I would never pay $1500 every year! That is triple(if not way more) the price it would cost to get it smogged, or ref'd. The bail for a huge ticket would'nt even be that much! F#$k that!

 

How about an additional fee, say 200 per year for modifications

"outside the system" where you have no visual inspection but must pass the pipe sniffer and have a testable evap controll system. This is possible in states outside ca, some states will even allow you to make a 3 rotor smog legal with full knowledge that the engine was never sold in the US.

 

what i dont understand is....

why is there a visual inspection? if it passes the sniffer then it isnt harmful to the environment, right?

am i wrong? what is the point of visual if it can pass sniffing?

 

The visual part...comes down to the fact that the officials needed/wanted the exhaust piping to be completely connected to ensure a proper reading. So, to legally cover their a$$, they needed the visual to say that all components must be properly connected/installed.

 

I just said like 1500, cause its gotta be worth it to the govt to have an exemption like that, if its only 200 everyone and their mom cud paythat up and it wud get outta hand.

 

hazw8st

contact me brah...lets talk. PM me.

 

Who said we should use the loophole, why not just get a functional propane system. With all the new bills and crap like cars over 15 years need to get smogged every year it could be worth it. Espescially with us rotary guys and cars that can barely pass smog stock. Say you pay like 200 bucks to get a smog and you own your car for 3 years than you probably shoulda just got the propane system. Pretty much every time I gotta take smog I gotta either pay a crooked shop or take my car to a repair station for them to play whith the timing which costs me a ton. This time I'm thinking about either gettin the propane system or just adding 2 more cats onto the y pipe lol.

 

If the HP numbers from Natural Gas, and Gasoline are comparable... and the stuff becomes more readily availible so I don't have to drive 20 Miles out of my way to get the stuff... (pollution in itself) I'd do the switch and keep it... it's the fact that law makers try to force you to stop doing something without offering an alternative...

Look at smoking, people knew it was bad since the mid / late 70's and yet they continued because people just said "Just Stop" but it's not that easy, you have to slowly introduce a change... and offer an alternative... not untill Nicorette and other alternative drugs became readily availible and over the counter; did I notice a drastic change in the number of people who smoke....

If Law makers want us to change our ways in the name of the environment or health, offer a viable alterative that works for everyone... Otherwise I'd rather smoke 2 packs a day and be happy, than miserable and healthy... (BTW I've never smoked a cigarette or anything for that matter in my life...) It's the pricipal of the thing...

Same thing goes for Street Racing / Drag Strip, Weed / Legalization ..... etc... etc....

 

I find it incredibly ironic that California tries to be so environmentally conscience and responsible and yet there's no real alternative here. Ethanol is touted as being the most promising alternative fuel and yet there is only one place in all of southern California you can even get the stuff. While I don't think Ethanol will ever be able to replace petroleum fuels in the mass market, it does have some real value when it comes to performance cars and those of us that enjoy driving and working on them. If E85 was readily available at a price comparable to petroleum gas I would love to build my next toy around it. However at this point, as much as I'd like to try and be environmentally responsible in the context of my hobby, it's pretty much impossible.

And then there's Bio-diesel, which I believe actually does have the potential to replace petroleum fuel for a lot of the country. It's actually easier to get in SoCal than E85, however it's a massive pain in the *** to get a car that will run off it because of the stigma over diesel cars in general and the ***-backwards laws regarding it. I can get a 3/4-ton diesel truck that gets 10mpg, but I can't get a vehicle that'll do 35+ mpg day-in and day-out on bio-diesel while producing less global-warming pollutants and for the most part less smog pollutants than the vast majority of the cars that are available.

EDIT: hah, I guess the admins got tired of the whole "plus one" thing.

 

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^ Is everyone getting their accounts hacked or did an admin go crazy?

 

Pls PM me as I am interested. Thanks!

 

Hazw8st Hooked up my 7. How do you think i got my shizzle registered and insured.

Thanks Hazw8st!!!

 

Hazw8st seems impossible to contact? He does not accept any PMs, has no email address or contact info. Anyone have his contact info?

 

The GOV is the worst offender of loop hoops. God forbid the common man for trying his luck with the system. I guess if you dont have mega bucks to back you up you get screwed by the likes of BORED cops that haven't had their share of corrupt money.

 

Some people have PM'd me asking about contact info. i just want to come out and say my above post was a joke. I didnt go thru this guy.

And the place i went to closed down, (damn arnold) so plz dont PM me asking about a hook up. sorry guys.

peace and GL

 

Are you a cop???

 

He's a mall cop

 

well guys it's been around since the 70's when we had a gas shortage it's a proven alt fuel .it works not the best for the hp but it works.
But on the other hand you can do what i did but i don't think it's the best idea . when they ask you to pop you r hood you say why ? when they reply i think your engine on modified ." you say and what gives you that notion ? And they reply your exhaust . You reply i'm sorry think we are done talkin til your supervisor gets here .

And he stand there for 1/2 hour while your buddies go by with there cars .

Then the super gets there and they you pop the hood tell the officer he's a moron and has no idea what he's looking at and his 4 hour class to learn it sucks ***** over your 20 years in automotive . Sign the ticket.
Go to the cop you know have him sign it off. go to the judge tell then you haven't changed anything and get it thrown out .

just remember you just saved your buddies pissed off the officer and still got to laugh about it

true story btw the best part was it was pouring rain the second time i did it .

 

btw the laws are so screwed by money grubbin screwhead dicks for their own gain . they are not laws we the people passed . i good tuned car will a highflow cat will emit less emissons they these rats nests they put on the rx'7 to kiss the ***'s on the government.

 

how does that law work for the 81-83 first gen. no egr pal.

 

Ok, this idea might have died here, but there is a lot of discussion going on lately about AI, specifically methanol injection. Howard Coleman, BDC, and other members are running upwards of a 65/35 gasoline/methanol mix, e.g. this thread.

Would that qualify for exemption as a flex fuel or alternative fuels vehicle? They are running that setup full-time, so modification after exemption wouldn't be a problem.