legal smog exemption for JDM (20B etc) engine swaps
legal smog exemption for JDM (20B etc) engine swaps
Just saw this on another forum, link is up top. Bits from that forum are cut and pasted at the bottom. Anyone know if this **** is true?
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zeropost?cmd=tshow&id=211986
Real deal. hazw8st hooks it up bigtime! He smog exempted and registered my car too..... hazw8st is a really cool cat. Highly recommended! One of nicos finest!
Just email him!
How to: LEGALLY SMOG KA-t, SR20DET & RB26 SWAPS:
The best way to smog your ride is the legal way! We legally pass the vehicles using CNG/LPG/propane gas. The vehicles are slightly modified and passed on propane, and then, upon the owners discretion, changed back to regular pump gasoline, there are no permanent modifications done to the vehicle, the turnaround is about 4-6 hours.
We will gladly explain the conversion process to anyone who would like to convert their own vehicles, please feel free to email us at: jargon_@hotmail.com with any questions. Any engine swap can be legally smogged and registered. Turboed, supercharged, high compression JDM motors, KA-t's, SR20's, RB26's, any engine in any car.
Won't pass the visual inspection though, as soon as they pop the hood and see whats under there, you fail.
Quote, originally posted by BaliLover »
Won't pass the visual inspection though, as soon as they pop the hood and see whats under there, you fail.
Try again...... the ONLY way to smog your ride is the legal way! We legally pass these vehicles using CNG/LPG/propane gas.
Legally smog your SR20, KA-T, or RB swap today!!!
AFV, CNG, LPG, propane and flex-fueled vehicles are scrutinized differently. These vehicles are emissions tested at the BAR referee, keep in mind that AFV's are not mandated the same as gasoline powered vehicles. Visual inspection is waived for most AFV's because they are experimental.
AFV (Alternative Fueled Vehicle)
CNG (Compressed Natural Gas)
LPG (Liquified Propane Gas)
Quote, originally posted by BaliLover »
Won't pass the visual inspection though, as soon as they pop the hood and see whats under there, you fail.
My Silvia SR20DET is now smog exempt forever, I will NEVER have to deal with emissions ever again... thanks hazw8st.
Quote, originally posted by skygame »
My Silvia SR20DET is now smog exempt forever, I will NEVER have to deal with emissions ever again... thanks hazw8st.
Quote, originally posted by skygame »
Best Cali smog hookup: http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=211986
Quote, originally posted by Mr. MoNkEyS »
yea i was wondering about that, so what exactaly happens? can u get smog exempt before the swap and then swap it in, or do u make it exmpet with the swapped engine?
You can go ahead and legally smog exempt your vehicle at anytime, before or after an SR20 swap. Smog exemption exempts your vehicle from smogging altogether.... for those of you with SR20 swaps, you can legally smog exempt your car once and forget about smog forever, or go look for the homie Pepe to smog your car every 2 years like a dope fiend and pay alot more $$$ for a crooked smog......
Quote, originally posted by skygame »
hazw8st and nicoclub are a dream come true...
Quote, originally posted by ser2102 »
so when and where can one get this all done at?
Quote, originally posted by FAST-DATSUN »
you can still have your hood and trunk popped during a traffic stop......
Quote, originally posted by sunnys14 »
yes, how do we get around that?
On SMOG exemption: As long as there is a propane tank hooked up on the vehicle, the setup is considered a flex-fueled vehicle, when properly done, this process is 100% legal, however, if the tank or any of the accessories are removed by the owner, then, by definition, the vehicle will no longer be considered an alternative fuel vehicle. Smog exemption is only used when the biennial smog is due.
The next exemption is called CARB exemption, CARB exemption keeps the cops from popping your hood and giving you ref tickets. An RB26 powered Silvia that is smog & carb exempted can run around town all day with an open exhaust, atmospheric BOV, NOS and absolutely no emissions equipment, and NEVER get a referee ticket! Carb exemption exempts the vehicle from ALL CARB mandates, regulations and protocols.
Mack, we have hooked up many McKinney Motorsports clients with emissions issues and referee tickets, the burden of responsibility does not lie on us, but, on the initial shop that is modifying the emissions equipment in the first place. We have done tons of business with McKinney in the past, and a simple misunderstanding like this can sour a relatively great business relationship.
By sharing our knowledge and expertise, we are directly assisting the JDM engine swap shops with their emissions issues and referee tickets... we do not profit from swapping JDM engines, and removing their emissions equipment, we deal with the legal issues and consequences of illegal JDM engine swaps.
Mack, check your inbox.....
HIGHLY RECOMENDED PERFORMANCE SHOP:
ADVANCED MOTOR SPORTS AMS MIKE IS THE GREATEST!
(949) 707-4267
15801 Rockfield Blvd STE #J
IRVINE, CA 92618
http://www.buyams.com
ENGINE SWAPS-DYNOTUNING-WHEELS-THE BEST JDM PARTS!
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zeropost?cmd=tshow&id=211986
Real deal. hazw8st hooks it up bigtime! He smog exempted and registered my car too..... hazw8st is a really cool cat. Highly recommended! One of nicos finest!
Just email him!
How to: LEGALLY SMOG KA-t, SR20DET & RB26 SWAPS:
The best way to smog your ride is the legal way! We legally pass the vehicles using CNG/LPG/propane gas. The vehicles are slightly modified and passed on propane, and then, upon the owners discretion, changed back to regular pump gasoline, there are no permanent modifications done to the vehicle, the turnaround is about 4-6 hours.
We will gladly explain the conversion process to anyone who would like to convert their own vehicles, please feel free to email us at: jargon_@hotmail.com with any questions. Any engine swap can be legally smogged and registered. Turboed, supercharged, high compression JDM motors, KA-t's, SR20's, RB26's, any engine in any car.
Won't pass the visual inspection though, as soon as they pop the hood and see whats under there, you fail.
Quote, originally posted by BaliLover »
Won't pass the visual inspection though, as soon as they pop the hood and see whats under there, you fail.
Try again...... the ONLY way to smog your ride is the legal way! We legally pass these vehicles using CNG/LPG/propane gas.
Legally smog your SR20, KA-T, or RB swap today!!!
AFV, CNG, LPG, propane and flex-fueled vehicles are scrutinized differently. These vehicles are emissions tested at the BAR referee, keep in mind that AFV's are not mandated the same as gasoline powered vehicles. Visual inspection is waived for most AFV's because they are experimental.
AFV (Alternative Fueled Vehicle)
CNG (Compressed Natural Gas)
LPG (Liquified Propane Gas)
Quote, originally posted by BaliLover »
Won't pass the visual inspection though, as soon as they pop the hood and see whats under there, you fail.
My Silvia SR20DET is now smog exempt forever, I will NEVER have to deal with emissions ever again... thanks hazw8st.
Quote, originally posted by skygame »
My Silvia SR20DET is now smog exempt forever, I will NEVER have to deal with emissions ever again... thanks hazw8st.
Quote, originally posted by skygame »
Best Cali smog hookup: http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=211986
Quote, originally posted by Mr. MoNkEyS »
yea i was wondering about that, so what exactaly happens? can u get smog exempt before the swap and then swap it in, or do u make it exmpet with the swapped engine?
You can go ahead and legally smog exempt your vehicle at anytime, before or after an SR20 swap. Smog exemption exempts your vehicle from smogging altogether.... for those of you with SR20 swaps, you can legally smog exempt your car once and forget about smog forever, or go look for the homie Pepe to smog your car every 2 years like a dope fiend and pay alot more $$$ for a crooked smog......
Quote, originally posted by skygame »
hazw8st and nicoclub are a dream come true...
Quote, originally posted by ser2102 »
so when and where can one get this all done at?
Quote, originally posted by FAST-DATSUN »
you can still have your hood and trunk popped during a traffic stop......
Quote, originally posted by sunnys14 »
yes, how do we get around that?
On SMOG exemption: As long as there is a propane tank hooked up on the vehicle, the setup is considered a flex-fueled vehicle, when properly done, this process is 100% legal, however, if the tank or any of the accessories are removed by the owner, then, by definition, the vehicle will no longer be considered an alternative fuel vehicle. Smog exemption is only used when the biennial smog is due.
The next exemption is called CARB exemption, CARB exemption keeps the cops from popping your hood and giving you ref tickets. An RB26 powered Silvia that is smog & carb exempted can run around town all day with an open exhaust, atmospheric BOV, NOS and absolutely no emissions equipment, and NEVER get a referee ticket! Carb exemption exempts the vehicle from ALL CARB mandates, regulations and protocols.
Mack, we have hooked up many McKinney Motorsports clients with emissions issues and referee tickets, the burden of responsibility does not lie on us, but, on the initial shop that is modifying the emissions equipment in the first place. We have done tons of business with McKinney in the past, and a simple misunderstanding like this can sour a relatively great business relationship.
By sharing our knowledge and expertise, we are directly assisting the JDM engine swap shops with their emissions issues and referee tickets... we do not profit from swapping JDM engines, and removing their emissions equipment, we deal with the legal issues and consequences of illegal JDM engine swaps.
Mack, check your inbox.....
HIGHLY RECOMENDED PERFORMANCE SHOP:
ADVANCED MOTOR SPORTS AMS MIKE IS THE GREATEST!
(949) 707-4267
15801 Rockfield Blvd STE #J
IRVINE, CA 92618
http://www.buyams.com
ENGINE SWAPS-DYNOTUNING-WHEELS-THE BEST JDM PARTS!
umm yea..... just PM hazw8st.... hes on this forum 
but dont spread the word too much..... if **** gets out...... im sure somthing bad will happen..... like all legal loopholes
but dont spread the word too much..... if **** gets out...... im sure somthing bad will happen..... like all legal loopholes
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Originally Posted by turBRO240
umm yea..... just PM hazw8st.... hes on this forum
but dont spread the word too much..... if **** gets out...... im sure somthing bad will happen..... like all legal loopholes
but dont spread the word too much..... if **** gets out...... im sure somthing bad will happen..... like all legal loopholes
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Originally Posted by Fumanchu
Can you explain what you do in plain English? I can't read that **** that was posted at the top of the thread. It makes my head hurt.
Smog exemption means no more smogs ever! Forget going to the smog dude every 2 years....
I figured that part out you kook. I was talking about the process of getting it smogged? Do you just uninstall all the alternative fuel modifications after it is smogged?
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Originally Posted by Fumanchu
I figured that part out. I was talking about the process of getting it smogged? Do you just uninstall all the alternative fuel modifications after it is smogged?
Yah, but they don't know that!!! Little bit of common sense goes a long way! Not to be a dick but the whole thing is about the "LOOPHOLE!" Not about legality afterwards!
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Oh, another thing...
Officers are not as dumb as you think. If they pull over a car and get the hood popped, and see every modification under the sun sitting there. They are going to look into your little smog exempt certification. They would have to be completely retarded to think that those modifications would be deemed "legal". At least I know if I was a cop, that's what I would think.
Officers are not as dumb as you think. If they pull over a car and get the hood popped, and see every modification under the sun sitting there. They are going to look into your little smog exempt certification. They would have to be completely retarded to think that those modifications would be deemed "legal". At least I know if I was a cop, that's what I would think.
Originally Posted by Fumanchu
Oh, another thing...
Officers are not as dumb as you think. If they pull over a car and get the hood popped, and see every modification under the sun sitting there. They are going to look into your little smog exempt certification. They would have to be completely retarded to think that those modifications would be deemed "legal". At least I know if I was a cop, that's what I would think.
Officers are not as dumb as you think. If they pull over a car and get the hood popped, and see every modification under the sun sitting there. They are going to look into your little smog exempt certification. They would have to be completely retarded to think that those modifications would be deemed "legal". At least I know if I was a cop, that's what I would think.
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Borrowed from one of the links...
Illegal B20 swap + propane gas = Alternative Fueled Emissions compliant engine swap. Alternative fuel is the key word here, forget the motor swap, with Alternative fuel, it is all about making the swap run clean. Even if the engine swap is a turbo GSR, Standalone with ITB's, once it is run on propane, all the performance mods are now legal because you can argue that the GSR, turbo, Standalone and ITB's are needed to take advantage of propane's 110 octane rating. This is cutting edge here, just because this is a loophole that is not commonly used, doesn't mean that it is BS.
Keep in mind that, once you remove the propane and re-tune your setup to run on 91 octane pump gas, you are no longer 100% legal, but wait, there's more.... here is the good part.... the BAR referee sticker in your engine compartment doesn't specify fuel. So, when Johnny law does pull you over, all they do is scratch their heads and wonder how you BAR ref'd a turbo GSR, Standalone with ITB's....
Besides BAR reffing your engine swap there is another interesting loophole that keeps Johnny Law off your back, it is called smog exemption, this exemption is a one time emissions test on propane that certifies your vehicle as an Alternative fueled vehicle and smog exempts the vehicle FOREVER, with smog exemption, you will NEVER have to smog your vehicle ever again, even when you sell it. Smog exemption is a legal loophole that smog exempts your vehicle forever, no more fooling around with shady emissions shops.
If you look hard enough, there are legal loopholes for everything. Laws, mandates, regulations and government protocols are written by attorneys with legal loopholes and/ oversights written in, that allow everyday citizens to drive, smog, register and import any vehicle ever made on the face of this planet. For the record, smog exemption, carb exemption, and BAR reffing are 3 completely different processes, these terms cannot be interchanged. BAR reffing, by far, is the most difficult and useless certification. Smog and Carb exemption are far better than a BAR ref'd swap because a BAR ref'd swap still must undergo strict emissions testing, while the smog/carb exempted vehicle doesn't. Also, Johnny Law can ref ticket a Bar ref'd car, but not a carb exempted car. The simple definition of a carb exempted car is a car that is exempted from all carb emissions mandates. Basically, local law enforcement can pop your hood, but, because the vehicle is both smog/carb exempt, it is therefore emissions compliant regardless of what turbo
k20, GSR or b18 engine swap you may have, a smog/carb exempted car can legally drive around with a fully built turbo GSR with no emissions controls, and never get a referee ticket.
Illegal B20 swap + propane gas = Alternative Fueled Emissions compliant engine swap. Alternative fuel is the key word here, forget the motor swap, with Alternative fuel, it is all about making the swap run clean. Even if the engine swap is a turbo GSR, Standalone with ITB's, once it is run on propane, all the performance mods are now legal because you can argue that the GSR, turbo, Standalone and ITB's are needed to take advantage of propane's 110 octane rating. This is cutting edge here, just because this is a loophole that is not commonly used, doesn't mean that it is BS.
Keep in mind that, once you remove the propane and re-tune your setup to run on 91 octane pump gas, you are no longer 100% legal, but wait, there's more.... here is the good part.... the BAR referee sticker in your engine compartment doesn't specify fuel. So, when Johnny law does pull you over, all they do is scratch their heads and wonder how you BAR ref'd a turbo GSR, Standalone with ITB's....
Besides BAR reffing your engine swap there is another interesting loophole that keeps Johnny Law off your back, it is called smog exemption, this exemption is a one time emissions test on propane that certifies your vehicle as an Alternative fueled vehicle and smog exempts the vehicle FOREVER, with smog exemption, you will NEVER have to smog your vehicle ever again, even when you sell it. Smog exemption is a legal loophole that smog exempts your vehicle forever, no more fooling around with shady emissions shops.
If you look hard enough, there are legal loopholes for everything. Laws, mandates, regulations and government protocols are written by attorneys with legal loopholes and/ oversights written in, that allow everyday citizens to drive, smog, register and import any vehicle ever made on the face of this planet. For the record, smog exemption, carb exemption, and BAR reffing are 3 completely different processes, these terms cannot be interchanged. BAR reffing, by far, is the most difficult and useless certification. Smog and Carb exemption are far better than a BAR ref'd swap because a BAR ref'd swap still must undergo strict emissions testing, while the smog/carb exempted vehicle doesn't. Also, Johnny Law can ref ticket a Bar ref'd car, but not a carb exempted car. The simple definition of a carb exempted car is a car that is exempted from all carb emissions mandates. Basically, local law enforcement can pop your hood, but, because the vehicle is both smog/carb exempt, it is therefore emissions compliant regardless of what turbo
k20, GSR or b18 engine swap you may have, a smog/carb exempted car can legally drive around with a fully built turbo GSR with no emissions controls, and never get a referee ticket.
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From: ROSARITO
Originally Posted by travs92vr4
If you were a cop. Kinda sounds like you are......
Speak for yourself, I have been cited for illegal modifications (cop said I had an aftermarket turbo) in a totaly Bone stock eclipse. In my gslse I had a header, no cat, a pre silencer, and full exhaust, didn't get cited with that because I still had an airpump. Thats the only 2 times I had the hood poped. I guess all the power is in the officers hands, I was probably being a dick when I pas pulled over in the eclipse.
Officers are not as dumb as you think. If they pull over a car and get the hood popped, and see every modification under the sun sitting there. They are going to look into your little smog exempt certification. They would have to be completely retarded to think that those modifications would be deemed "legal". At least I know if I was a cop, that's what I would think.