stylEmon

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... i LIVE outta state.

DriftinG Z32

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Your vehicle does not have to be registered in CA for me to ticket you for excessive noise (modified exhaust for example) or excessive pollution violations.

Heisenberg

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But im sure it just involves a fine. I dont see how one can be forced to change the parts out when they are legal in the state the car is registered to.

slo

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Yeah but would that fly for a cat removal ticket, or one of the other altered emmison system tickets.

What is in excessive polution ticket is that if the vehicle is visibly smoking.

stylEmon

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there is no way to tell about the excessive pollution. It may not even be that bad, since I also use methanol nad have a hi flow cat.

So the main thing is noise pollution? Can they proceed to lift my hood, even if it would amount to nothing? (as far as changing parts back to oem and such)

Heisenberg

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To my understanding the emissions equipment requirements pertain to the state the car is registered to. So they can pop your hood if they like checking out your motor. But I dont think they can try and make you switch anything back over.

DriftinG Z32

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Yes, just a fine as far as I know. If your car is modified within the limits of whatever state you live in, then you should legally be fine in CA. However, stylEmon, stated " The 7 has all emmissions removed, sprays methanol, modified exhaust, standalone, replaced dash, upgraded turbo, relocated battery and oil filter... the list goes on." I do not live in AZ, but I bet you can't legally remove all of your emissions equipment, which makes his/her car ticketable while operating it in CA.

stylEmon

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there are some areas of AZ where they dont test emmissions. Actually, most areas other than tucson and phoenix metro dont require tests. I live around phx, so I am supposed to have em...

But will a CA officer know/care about that?

and

Is it actually illlegal, nationwide, to remove emmissions equip?

From what I've gathered, we are talking about a ticket based on noise pollution, and the possiblility of a ticket based on emmissions removal. (in my situation)

DriftinG Z32

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I used the term excessive pollution in a generic form, to cover all the different emissions violations you can be ticketed for, while operating your vehicle in CA.

If your car is heavily modified and is not legal in your own state, then you need to worry about more then just excessive noise violations, depending on where you travel in CA.

Yes, they can lift your hood and check your car for violations. Can they force you to change your vehcile back to stock, I don't know. I will try to ask a few of my DMV friends.

Heisenberg

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I really dont think its his job to worry about that. He cant write you a ticket in California to visit an Arizona ref. Thats why you have to have the car inspected and it has to pass smog when you have the tittle transfered from out of state. Some cars come equiped with less emissions equipment outside of California. I seriously wouldnt sweat it. If you got a ticket saying you had to see a state ref in the state of california you could always just pay the fine and not have to go anyways.

DriftinG Z32

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Just because certain areas do not test for emissions, doesn't give you the right to remove your OEM emissions equipment. If you know you are suppose to have your emissions equipment on your vehicle, then you just answered your own question (not trying to sound like an *** either).

Yes it is illegal to remove any of your emissions equipment.

Memo 1A. This refers to a U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) memorandum that says it's illegal to remove, disconnect or disable a required emissions control device on any pollution controlled motor vehicle (PCMV), pretty much any 1968 (1966 in California) or later model year car/light duty vehicle used on public roads. What this means is that even if you don't have a local emissions-testing requirement, technically you can still break federal law by chucking/disabling your vehicle's smog equipment.

Federal Emissions Requirements. If your area has emissions testing, almost certainly some form of underhood inspection goes along with it. Technicians will check to make sure that all required smog equipment is installed and functioning properly. This does not mean you can't change things! You just have to make sure changes you make are smog legal and comply with Memo 1A. Because you may need to prove compliance to an inspector, most product manufacturers offer documentation that states their products are at least "49-state smog legal," effectively claiming that their products satisfy the EPA requirements.

This might be waorded a little different now that it's 2007, but its main objective is still the same. You can't legally remove emissions related equipment.

stylEmon

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If the car is legally registered in az, despite what i have done on the car, i wouldn't imagine there is much CA can do other then the above mentioned.

What grounds does CA have to ticket/over-ride, the registration laws of another state.
Remember, I am just visiting for a week.

such as?

stylEmon

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i appreciate all the feedback, and I am not trying to stir the pot. There are serious questions, because when I visit, i dont want to lose my ride to the state of CA. this info is very helpful.

AZ has similar emmissions tests as CA, but not the same. I dont know about in CA, but here, most smog techs dont know **** about rotary engines. With that being said, the visual test is usually a breeze.

what would the circumstance for emmissions removal be?

DriftinG Z32

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I'm not claiming there is more a peace officer in CA can do beyond a ticket. Maybe impound your vehicle as well, I'm not sure. Maybe FU or someone else can chime in on that one.

Just because your car is registared doesn't mean you are complying with all the rules and regulations of the road. You said it yourself. You have emissions equipment removed from your car, which you are suppose to leave on the vehicle.

My brothers FD is CA registered, but its not CARB or EPA complient making it illegal to drive. His 7 has: no pre-cat, NON CARB main cat, NON CARB intake, and removed EGR.

DriftinG Z32

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You are not going to lose your ride. It's just a ticket bro, no need to sweat. Emissions removal would consist of taking off your cats, EVAP, EGR, etc.

Heisenberg

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I wouldnt sweat it. There is a guy at my work who drives his GTR every day with Oregon plates on it. Most police dont even know what they are looking at, yet alone can tell what the difference is between Federal and California emissions equipment requirements.

If you dont do anything stupid and are not excessivly loud chances are they will leave you alone. Like i said even if they did decide to bust you I seriously doubt you would get anything more than a fine for removing your equipment.

stylEmon

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cool, thanks a lot. I am pretty respectful towards police. my father in law is a sgt in a pretty bad hood in here in phx.

I totally respect what yall do, and know ya dont make the laws. My DD is 100% legal and stays that way.

but when it comes to the 7... well, yall know

HOZZMANRX7

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Emissions is a federal thing first and a state thing second. So, doesn't matter if you're out of state. You get caught with emissions removed, you get cited.

cleanseven

Originally Posted by reatrdedspleen
Hey Fu, first of all thankyou for making this thread, because whenever i try to ask a cop a question about something they blow me off cause im young. so here goes

Is it illegal to modify your exhaust? lets say you still have the cats, and your car is within the legal DB sound range and a cop without checking anything, just looking at it from behind gives you an uncorrectable modified exhaust what should you do? i have a story thats also similar to this that happened to me a Jestersrain

I was at a mc donalds, outside of my car for a few minutes (prolly about 4 minutes) 2 motorcycle cops roll in ask us if these were our cars. we reply that yes, they are. They tell us to get into our cars so we do. they then ask for liscense and reg. they proceded to have us step out of the car. they popped OUR hood without permission, then had us start our cars. They tested how loud my car was by putting the DB reader INSIDE my exhaust pipe and then sighting me for too loud exhaust (4 DB over) and modifed emissions and uncorrectable modifed exhaust.





Wait a second. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong part of the story, but the most disturbing part of the story to me is that reatrdedspleen was initially standing outside of his vehicle, with the vehicle turned off - and he was asked to get into the vehicle so that they could ask for license and reg, turn the car on, and so on. Can they make you get into a turned off car, off of the streets (assuming they were in the parking lot), in order to treat the rest of the action as if they pulled you over??

*RX007*

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ok i have a senario,

Lets say I went single turbo, and every thing in my engine bay was black i mean every thing so it look stock, and i had some sort of a heat sheild on the turbo so u couldnt see it, then lets say a cop pull me over just cuase i have modified exaust and wants to pop my hood do you think the average cop could figure out that any thing is illeagal? assuming i still have the emissions in place ect. not to say id do such a thing but just speaking hypotheticly

thanx for your time

fsae_alum

FuFu....I don't think that you answered one of Dom's questions regarding motorcycle exhausts. Do you guys ever give out tickets for loud as hell Harley exhausts? I imagine that it's illegal to have an exhaust that loud but do you guys ever give out tickets for it?

Meiogirl

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Hey I have a question. You think cops ever get a vibe to pull someone over? This happens to me upon occasion. I am doing nothing wrong, I just get a weird 'oh crap' vibe when i see them. Then about 3-4 miles down the road they are with me, lights on. Pull me over check my DL and let me go.

?????

last time this happened was Sunday except my "oh crap" vibe was more like "Oh crap, there's a cop, he can give me directions" ( I was lost). I decided to not stop since he had someone pulled over and about 5 min later, there he was on my ****.

Fumanchu

Rarely. It's called discretion.

Fumanchu

We do it all of the time. We clue in on little things that make the hair on the back of neck stand up. It's so easy to pull someone over. All you need is some probably cause (not signaling, license plate light out, tint).

Heisenberg

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What do you usually look for when you pull sombody over? Do you typically try and get people you think are on drugs (aka *******)? Do you even like to bother pulling sombody over for somthing as small as a modified exhaust if thats the only thing your going to get out of him?