Pettit Racing Trak Pro Coilover Kit
12-17-10, 09:02 AM
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To summarise the whole thread, someone said these are made by a taiwanese company, someone posted instruction manuals in engrish, someone said they don't come with brackets for brake lines and someone suspects the rear shocks can not be lowered enough (I hope not).
Nothing solid to doubt these coilovers' value for money imo.
12-17-10, 09:30 AM
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I think people are getting confused with the idea that Pettit Racing actually makes their own coilovers.
Please stop for a second and think about it...
That's not how the industry works, not even for the big names. The kind of machinery required to mass produce these costs millions of dollars and Pettit's only market is English speaking third generation RX7 owner's unless he has a secret Japanese link on his website. How many FD's are left in the English speaking world? There's so few people are starting to register their chassis numbers on this website. There isn't enough demand and he isn't charging enough to possibly be making these himself. Pettit strikes me as the kind of company that all great racing names start with, even Ford, a company that's primary purpose is to pay for the owner's racing obsession. So who makes the coilovers? Does it really matter?
1)There's no bracket for the brake lines.
You can either make your own or buy a different coilover. I'm not going to let one little feature stop me from buying the suspension that fits my needs especially if I can make my own bracket with a hose clamp and some American ingenuity.
2) Rear shocks cannot be lower enough.
One person said they might have a problem and was asking for some input from other people. He even said the car doesn't have the engine in yet and is going to try working on it some more. Is this really reason for alarm?
3) Engrish instruction manual.
Ever read the original Mazda service manuals from the 70's and 80's? They are chocked full of Engrish. So? They don't speak English in their country. On top of that translating technical documents into sensible English is an extremely difficult and expensive task. Since I got to Japan a month ago I already had one Japanese auto manufacturer try to hire me for this sort of job the moment they found out I had mechanical knowledge. It's easy to find translators, but to find ones that can turn a spanner is rare.
Do we need installation instructions? If you're on this website you can find instructions here that go more in depth than the Mazda service manual.
4) They're made by a Taiwanese company.
I remember when I was a kid my Dad used to purposely avoid any product that said "Made in Japan" and he taught me that they are all bad quality. Well Japan eventually proved themselves and Toyota became the world's largest auto manufacturer (although VW is moving in). But there was a time when Toyota was the Hyundai and Daewoo of today. Other Asian countries can do it too.
Please stop for a second and think about it...
That's not how the industry works, not even for the big names. The kind of machinery required to mass produce these costs millions of dollars and Pettit's only market is English speaking third generation RX7 owner's unless he has a secret Japanese link on his website. How many FD's are left in the English speaking world? There's so few people are starting to register their chassis numbers on this website. There isn't enough demand and he isn't charging enough to possibly be making these himself. Pettit strikes me as the kind of company that all great racing names start with, even Ford, a company that's primary purpose is to pay for the owner's racing obsession. So who makes the coilovers? Does it really matter?
1)There's no bracket for the brake lines.
You can either make your own or buy a different coilover. I'm not going to let one little feature stop me from buying the suspension that fits my needs especially if I can make my own bracket with a hose clamp and some American ingenuity.
2) Rear shocks cannot be lower enough.
One person said they might have a problem and was asking for some input from other people. He even said the car doesn't have the engine in yet and is going to try working on it some more. Is this really reason for alarm?
3) Engrish instruction manual.
Ever read the original Mazda service manuals from the 70's and 80's? They are chocked full of Engrish. So? They don't speak English in their country. On top of that translating technical documents into sensible English is an extremely difficult and expensive task. Since I got to Japan a month ago I already had one Japanese auto manufacturer try to hire me for this sort of job the moment they found out I had mechanical knowledge. It's easy to find translators, but to find ones that can turn a spanner is rare.
Do we need installation instructions? If you're on this website you can find instructions here that go more in depth than the Mazda service manual.
4) They're made by a Taiwanese company.
I remember when I was a kid my Dad used to purposely avoid any product that said "Made in Japan" and he taught me that they are all bad quality. Well Japan eventually proved themselves and Toyota became the world's largest auto manufacturer (although VW is moving in). But there was a time when Toyota was the Hyundai and Daewoo of today. Other Asian countries can do it too.
12-17-10, 09:47 AM
#329
just remember that there are some false accusations and assumptions being made here. Howard and Cam are both very trusted sources in the RX7 community, people on forums can say, accuse whatever they want without consequences. The same can't be said for Pettit offering an inferior part so you decide who to believe.
Also, remember to look at join dates and post counts of some of the people making these comments, I don't consider them contributors to the community.
Also, remember to look at join dates and post counts of some of the people making these comments, I don't consider them contributors to the community.
12-17-10, 11:03 AM
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Doug, I think your last post wasn't directed at me cause we are saying the same thing. What matters is how good these coilovers work (I'm yet to install and test my stage 2s but others gave positive feedback) and the fact that they are value for money. Only direct competitor I know at this price range is the Apexi EXV and afaik they are also taiwanese and come with wrong springs (iow too hard).
12-17-10, 12:00 PM
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Alpsta I certainly wasn't trying to attack anyone. I respect that everyone has their own opinions and values of what to spend their money on. But just as long as we get the facts straight and aren't spreading misinformation.
12-17-10, 01:04 PM
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Does anyone have shots of the car with these installed? I don't have a motor or interior in my car, so I can't comment on how the car sits height wise. There is hardly any adjustability in the rears, height wise, without preloading the hell out of the springs. The fronts are the other way around, there is a lot of adjustability. I'll take some measurements and pics when the motor goes back in the car. Also, if anyone has cross weighted/balanced the car with these at a reasonable ride height please post your results.
Are you having problems getting the car low enough or high enough? I'm trying to figure out what's going on. The shock length is adjustable through the locking collar at the very bottom right? If I'm reading the brochure right the shock height is adjustable independent of the spring height.
This is just really confusing me. If you could say a little more it would help a lot.
I'm also confused when you say you pre-loaded the spring. This makes me think you're trying to raise the ride height too high. But I'm not sure. If you could just elaborate a little bit I think it would help us all.
12-17-10, 04:12 PM
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Ride height can be adjusted by threading the threaded portion of the shock body up/down. It can also be adjusted by preloading the spring, where you thread the spring perch upwards to compress the spring and shorten its length. You can also do it a combination of both ways. However, you do not want to preload the spring too much; typically you want it just snug enough to keep the spring secured between the bottom perch and top mount through suspension rebound. You definitely don't want to shorten the spring by preloading it so much that the shock's travel is restricted.
See page from an Apex coilover manaul. Page 5, section 9. You can search around the 'net for more info.
Regarding the rear ride height adjustablility, I will be able to comment better on that when I get my motor back in the car this weekend when I can take some measurements.
See page from an Apex coilover manaul. Page 5, section 9. You can search around the 'net for more info.
Regarding the rear ride height adjustablility, I will be able to comment better on that when I get my motor back in the car this weekend when I can take some measurements.
Are you having problems getting the car low enough or high enough? I'm trying to figure out what's going on. The shock length is adjustable through the locking collar at the very bottom right? If I'm reading the brochure right the shock height is adjustable independent of the spring height.
This is just really confusing me. If you could say a little more it would help a lot.
I'm also confused when you say you pre-loaded the spring. This makes me think you're trying to raise the ride height too high. But I'm not sure. If you could just elaborate a little bit I think it would help us all.
This is just really confusing me. If you could say a little more it would help a lot.
I'm also confused when you say you pre-loaded the spring. This makes me think you're trying to raise the ride height too high. But I'm not sure. If you could just elaborate a little bit I think it would help us all.
12-17-10, 04:34 PM
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Ok that makes sense. I think I had the right idea about the adjustment. So the problem is you can't get the rear end high enough? How much total adjustment is there in the shock height without adjusting the spring?
I don't suppose a taller rear spring would help then would it? You're more limited by the length of the shock.
I don't suppose a taller rear spring would help then would it? You're more limited by the length of the shock.
12-17-10, 05:56 PM
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I think I understand now...
The shock is threaded down all the way to the point that the spring's locking collar is touching the shock's locking collar. So you have three of them stacked up and no room to go lower.
Was this with with trakpro comps? Did you request a special spring rate or was it the standard one?
If this is indeed the case, then it sounds like the spring is just plain too tall! It wouldn't take much to switch out the spring for a shorter one with the same rate. Swift or Eibach sell them for I think between $40-60 a piece. Swift is more expensive but they use a "special patented light weight star trek unobtainium" metal in their springs and claim less coils for the same length so a lighter spring. But you shouldn't have to re-engineer something like that or pay for it. Hopefully this is not a design flaw and either a one time mistake, or hopefully your ride height changes drastically once the motor is installed.
Show us pictures if you could!
For reference and to remind people what we're talking about I attached the picture of the coilovers.
The shock is threaded down all the way to the point that the spring's locking collar is touching the shock's locking collar. So you have three of them stacked up and no room to go lower.
Was this with with trakpro comps? Did you request a special spring rate or was it the standard one?
If this is indeed the case, then it sounds like the spring is just plain too tall! It wouldn't take much to switch out the spring for a shorter one with the same rate. Swift or Eibach sell them for I think between $40-60 a piece. Swift is more expensive but they use a "special patented light weight star trek unobtainium" metal in their springs and claim less coils for the same length so a lighter spring. But you shouldn't have to re-engineer something like that or pay for it. Hopefully this is not a design flaw and either a one time mistake, or hopefully your ride height changes drastically once the motor is installed.
Show us pictures if you could!
For reference and to remind people what we're talking about I attached the picture of the coilovers.
12-17-10, 06:11 PM
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just remember that there are some false accusations and assumptions being made here. Howard and Cam are both very trusted sources in the RX7 community, people on forums can say, accuse whatever they want without consequences. The same can't be said for Pettit offering an inferior part so you decide who to believe.
Also, remember to look at join dates and post counts of some of the people making these comments, I don't consider them contributors to the community.
Also, remember to look at join dates and post counts of some of the people making these comments, I don't consider them contributors to the community.
Not sure if your comments are pointed at me, but I never accused anyone of anything, unless you count me accusing Pettit of being somewhat irresponsbile, IMO, of not mentioning anything regarding the brake line mount issue and not including some documentation/manuals/warnings, etc. with their stuff. Even a handwritten note would have been fine, but at least say something. Still haven't got a phone call or email returned, only been a few days but come on. I'll call them and email them again and see what happens. Having spent $1000+ I think most people would expect that. Not that I needed a manual anyway, because it took me about 2 hr to get the old off and put the new on, didn't have to look at anything.
Things like fastener torques, adjustment procedure, warnings, recommendations, etc should be described to the customer, but there is nothing. That forces us to assume, and while these look to be pretty generic as any other adjustable coilover, it's still not acceptable and that's my opinion.
In terms of performance, I am not sure if this coilover is "inferior", it's probably great. I don't think they would brand it as Pettit product if it wasn't at least kinda awesome. Still would like to see some corner weight/ride height data from the people who are running these.
12-17-10, 07:11 PM
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Not sure if your comments are pointed at me, but I never accused anyone of anything, unless you count me accusing Pettit of being somewhat irresponsbile, IMO, of not mentioning anything regarding the brake line mount issue and not including some documentation/manuals/warnings, etc. with their stuff. Even a handwritten note would have been fine, but at least say something. Still haven't got a phone call or email returned, only been a few days but come on. I'll call them and email them again and see what happens. Having spent $1000+ I think most people would expect that. Not that I needed a manual anyway, because it took me about 2 hr to get the old off and put the new on, didn't have to look at anything.
Things like fastener torques, adjustment procedure, warnings, recommendations, etc should be described to the customer, but there is nothing. That forces us to assume, and while these look to be pretty generic as any other adjustable coilover, it's still not acceptable and that's my opinion.
My FD is in winter hibernation and I don't know when I'll get around to doing a multitude of installs. I had not even inspect the box the coil-overs came in till I read a few posts here and to my amazement, no instruction, no brake clips, just the coil-overs, two wrenches and an allen key. For the flamers I'm just stating the facts and it's not a condemnation of Pettit! Cam is a great guy, his products appear well made and I'll definitely do business again and again over the coming years. And this is just my opinion.
12-17-10, 07:34 PM
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mdpalmer could you please elaborate on these questions?
1) Was this with with trakpro comps?
2) Did you request a special spring rate or was it the standard one?
3) The problem is they won't go low enough right?
Would it be possible for you to remove the bottom most and largest locking collar? If the shock is screwed all the way down to the spring perch locking collar anyway this shouldn't be an issue because you only need two, not three.
That should give you more than an inch more room to lower the car and solve the problem.
But regardless maybe they should've just used a shorter spring in the first place to avoid that problem.
1) Was this with with trakpro comps?
2) Did you request a special spring rate or was it the standard one?
3) The problem is they won't go low enough right?
Would it be possible for you to remove the bottom most and largest locking collar? If the shock is screwed all the way down to the spring perch locking collar anyway this shouldn't be an issue because you only need two, not three.
That should give you more than an inch more room to lower the car and solve the problem.
But regardless maybe they should've just used a shorter spring in the first place to avoid that problem.
12-17-10, 08:36 PM
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I'm going to stay out of this until I get my car back on the ground, I didn't mean to raise hell. For all I know, it may sit perfect. Answers to your questions below in CAPS. When that happens then I'll post back with facts, measurements, and pictures.
mdpalmer could you please elaborate on these questions?
1) Was this with with trakpro comps? [STAGE II]
2) Did you request a special spring rate or was it the standard one? [STANDARD, 10/8 kg/mm]
3) The problem is they won't go low enough right? [NOT SURE... I SHOULD HAVE KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT UNTIL I GET FULL WEIGHT WITH MOTOR, ETC.]
Would it be possible for you to remove the bottom most and largest locking collar? If the shock is screwed all the way down to the spring perch locking collar anyway this shouldn't be an issue because you only need two, not three. [I'LL CHECK IT OUT]
That should give you more than an inch more room to lower the car and solve the problem.
But regardless maybe they should've just used a shorter spring in the first place to avoid that problem. [MAYBE...MAYBE NOT]
1) Was this with with trakpro comps? [STAGE II]
2) Did you request a special spring rate or was it the standard one? [STANDARD, 10/8 kg/mm]
3) The problem is they won't go low enough right? [NOT SURE... I SHOULD HAVE KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT UNTIL I GET FULL WEIGHT WITH MOTOR, ETC.]
Would it be possible for you to remove the bottom most and largest locking collar? If the shock is screwed all the way down to the spring perch locking collar anyway this shouldn't be an issue because you only need two, not three. [I'LL CHECK IT OUT]
That should give you more than an inch more room to lower the car and solve the problem.
But regardless maybe they should've just used a shorter spring in the first place to avoid that problem. [MAYBE...MAYBE NOT]
12-17-10, 10:38 PM
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I have the Stage III's. Regarding the rear ride height issue: mdpalmer is correct in that there is very limited adjustment in the rear. I have mine lowered down as far as they will go and my ride height is right at 25" to 25 1/4" (dont remember exactly, car is now on stands for winter). That height is perfectly fine for me and I dont plan on going any lower, however it looks like if you wanted to go lower you could remove the lower locking collar as mentioned by someone previously.
As far as brake line mounts, I rigged something up with zip ties. Not ideal, I will be looking into some other solutions. I know other coilovers come with strap on mounts, I will look into maybe purchasing them from another manufacture.
Another issue I found (on my car at least) was that the rear lower mounting point was too wide. I had to add in a washer or two on the inside. Otherwise the lower points would get bent inwards when torquing down the bolt.
I was able to put about 100 miles on them before putting the car away for the winter. As others have said, the soft setting is very soft and comfortable. I tried out different settings to see how the shocks would react and I found a setting of around 7-10 to be ideal. I turned them up to about 15 and it was VERY stiff... I have never heard my car rattle so much. I plan on attending many track events next year, so I will be putting them through their paces. Hopefully they serve me well. I went this route to save some money so I can invest more money in bushings ($$$). We will see if it was money well spent or not.
As far as brake line mounts, I rigged something up with zip ties. Not ideal, I will be looking into some other solutions. I know other coilovers come with strap on mounts, I will look into maybe purchasing them from another manufacture.
Another issue I found (on my car at least) was that the rear lower mounting point was too wide. I had to add in a washer or two on the inside. Otherwise the lower points would get bent inwards when torquing down the bolt.
I was able to put about 100 miles on them before putting the car away for the winter. As others have said, the soft setting is very soft and comfortable. I tried out different settings to see how the shocks would react and I found a setting of around 7-10 to be ideal. I turned them up to about 15 and it was VERY stiff... I have never heard my car rattle so much. I plan on attending many track events next year, so I will be putting them through their paces. Hopefully they serve me well. I went this route to save some money so I can invest more money in bushings ($$$). We will see if it was money well spent or not.
12-17-10, 11:32 PM
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real world driving
So far I have about 500 miles of street use and 3 track days on my Comps. They are installed per Cam's suggestion of ride height being set with the lower trail arm level with the ground. That gave me 25.75" front and rear. To be honest I didn't adjust a thing. they came out of the box set exactly right for the car. I don't know if this was a coincidence or if Petit set them before they came. I did get them when they were in the "testing" phase of production so there's no telling.
The car rides and performs wonderfully. I was a little concerned about the brake line mount, but I switched to SS braided lines and they didn't come with the mount bushings for the middle support anyway. I have put this car through hell on the track including a couple of "off Pavement" spins on a rainy day at Sebring, and the brake lines have never moved. The undisturbed dust on the shock tubes tells me that even after a couple of 1080's into the field next to turn 5 at 100+ MPH there isn't enough lateral movement of the brake line to ever cause a problem.
When I was looking for the "right" suspension for my FD I found this thread and called howard and Cam. I asked a few questions, gave the man my credit card, put them on the car, and damn if they don't perform exactly the way they were advertised.
The car drives great, handles bumps like my Cadi, out corners my 3 series, and scares my wife to death. Everything I was looking for in a race /street car.
I know I'm babbling, but there seems to be a lot of speculation going on from people who either haven't even installed their trakpros yet or have installed them and not been able to drive the car further than to the gas station and back.
All I'm saying is that the people on here that are actually racing / driving on these particular performance coilovers have nothing but praise for both the product and the service from Pettit. They are the people you should be listening to when it comes to making a decision on what to buy.
The car rides and performs wonderfully. I was a little concerned about the brake line mount, but I switched to SS braided lines and they didn't come with the mount bushings for the middle support anyway. I have put this car through hell on the track including a couple of "off Pavement" spins on a rainy day at Sebring, and the brake lines have never moved. The undisturbed dust on the shock tubes tells me that even after a couple of 1080's into the field next to turn 5 at 100+ MPH there isn't enough lateral movement of the brake line to ever cause a problem.
When I was looking for the "right" suspension for my FD I found this thread and called howard and Cam. I asked a few questions, gave the man my credit card, put them on the car, and damn if they don't perform exactly the way they were advertised.
The car drives great, handles bumps like my Cadi, out corners my 3 series, and scares my wife to death. Everything I was looking for in a race /street car.
I know I'm babbling, but there seems to be a lot of speculation going on from people who either haven't even installed their trakpros yet or have installed them and not been able to drive the car further than to the gas station and back.
All I'm saying is that the people on here that are actually racing / driving on these particular performance coilovers have nothing but praise for both the product and the service from Pettit. They are the people you should be listening to when it comes to making a decision on what to buy.
12-18-10, 09:45 AM
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Cam continuously surprises me.
i think he has a pretty nice website for instance. a couple of days ago he offhandedly mentioned that Pettit would be changing their site. i asked him why since i thought it was really nice... he said only 20-30% of their product is on the site!
over the years he has repeatedly come up w innovative patentable products. he has a number of applications on file currently.
my point is that Cam's business is far, far, from just hooking up w manufacturers and putting his name on commodity type products. while of course some items fall squarely into this category lots of stuff is innovative.
for instance i am looking for answers into a mysterious (at this point) engine problem and remarked that i had very slight chatter marks and circumferential scratches on my newish rotor housings. Cam said, send them down and he would straighten them out... something about a diamond hone machine. all news to me. how about you?
lots of other stuff that will be soon available mostly from Cam's creative FD centered mind.
and above all, it gets tested before it gets sold. Cam really lives to be ontrack w his FD. he isn't riding a learning curve either. Cam and i raced together (against each other) in 1984 at the Runoffs at Road Atlanta. he knew his stuff then.
Cam has personally built over 1000 FD engines. can anyone else make that statement?
my point is that he is as much as anybody an important part of the FD community and he is not there simply to ring the cash register.
he is there to breathe even more life into what i consider to be one of the greatest mass produced sports cars ever built.
we don't live in a perfect world quite yet. as such, the Trak Pros could use brake line fixtures, i think they should carry less spring rate and the rears maybe need another half inch of adj.
my SS brakelines (RacingBrake) don't interfere w anything so i will probably never fiddle w them... i will over the winter lean on Cam for less spring rate and my rears have set about a half inch so they are perfect at 25 inches. when i go to less rate i will have a bit more set so there is no issue as far as i am concerned.
thanks Cam for all you have contributed to our beloved FD over the years.
howard
i think he has a pretty nice website for instance. a couple of days ago he offhandedly mentioned that Pettit would be changing their site. i asked him why since i thought it was really nice... he said only 20-30% of their product is on the site!
over the years he has repeatedly come up w innovative patentable products. he has a number of applications on file currently.
my point is that Cam's business is far, far, from just hooking up w manufacturers and putting his name on commodity type products. while of course some items fall squarely into this category lots of stuff is innovative.
for instance i am looking for answers into a mysterious (at this point) engine problem and remarked that i had very slight chatter marks and circumferential scratches on my newish rotor housings. Cam said, send them down and he would straighten them out... something about a diamond hone machine. all news to me. how about you?
lots of other stuff that will be soon available mostly from Cam's creative FD centered mind.
and above all, it gets tested before it gets sold. Cam really lives to be ontrack w his FD. he isn't riding a learning curve either. Cam and i raced together (against each other) in 1984 at the Runoffs at Road Atlanta. he knew his stuff then.
Cam has personally built over 1000 FD engines. can anyone else make that statement?
my point is that he is as much as anybody an important part of the FD community and he is not there simply to ring the cash register.
he is there to breathe even more life into what i consider to be one of the greatest mass produced sports cars ever built.
we don't live in a perfect world quite yet. as such, the Trak Pros could use brake line fixtures, i think they should carry less spring rate and the rears maybe need another half inch of adj.
my SS brakelines (RacingBrake) don't interfere w anything so i will probably never fiddle w them... i will over the winter lean on Cam for less spring rate and my rears have set about a half inch so they are perfect at 25 inches. when i go to less rate i will have a bit more set so there is no issue as far as i am concerned.
thanks Cam for all you have contributed to our beloved FD over the years.
howard
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12-28-10, 11:23 PM
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Cam continuously surprises me.
i think he has a pretty nice website for instance. a couple of days ago he offhandedly mentioned that Pettit would be changing their site. i asked him why since i thought it was really nice... he said only 20-30% of their product is on the site!
over the years he has repeatedly come up w innovative patentable products. he has a number of applications on file currently.
my point is that Cam's business is far, far, from just hooking up w manufacturers and putting his name on commodity type products. while of course some items fall squarely into this category lots of stuff is innovative.
for instance i am looking for answers into a mysterious (at this point) engine problem and remarked that i had very slight chatter marks and circumferential scratches on my newish rotor housings. Cam said, send them down and he would straighten them out... something about a diamond hone machine. all news to me. how about you?
lots of other stuff that will be soon available mostly from Cam's creative FD centered mind.
and above all, it gets tested before it gets sold. Cam really lives to be ontrack w his FD. he isn't riding a learning curve either. Cam and i raced together (against each other) in 1984 at the Runoffs at Road Atlanta. he knew his stuff then.
Cam has personally built over 1000 FD engines. can anyone else make that statement?
my point is that he is as much as anybody an important part of the FD community and he is not there simply to ring the cash register.
he is there to breathe even more life into what i consider to be one of the greatest mass produced sports cars ever built.
we don't live in a perfect world quite yet. as such, the Trak Pros could use brake line fixtures, i think they should carry less spring rate and the rears maybe need another half inch of adj.
my SS brakelines (RacingBrake) don't interfere w anything so i will probably never fiddle w them... i will over the winter lean on Cam for less spring rate and my rears have set about a half inch so they are perfect at 25 inches. when i go to less rate i will have a bit more set so there is no issue as far as i am concerned.
thanks Cam for all you have contributed to our beloved FD over the years.
howard
i think he has a pretty nice website for instance. a couple of days ago he offhandedly mentioned that Pettit would be changing their site. i asked him why since i thought it was really nice... he said only 20-30% of their product is on the site!
over the years he has repeatedly come up w innovative patentable products. he has a number of applications on file currently.
my point is that Cam's business is far, far, from just hooking up w manufacturers and putting his name on commodity type products. while of course some items fall squarely into this category lots of stuff is innovative.
for instance i am looking for answers into a mysterious (at this point) engine problem and remarked that i had very slight chatter marks and circumferential scratches on my newish rotor housings. Cam said, send them down and he would straighten them out... something about a diamond hone machine. all news to me. how about you?
lots of other stuff that will be soon available mostly from Cam's creative FD centered mind.
and above all, it gets tested before it gets sold. Cam really lives to be ontrack w his FD. he isn't riding a learning curve either. Cam and i raced together (against each other) in 1984 at the Runoffs at Road Atlanta. he knew his stuff then.
Cam has personally built over 1000 FD engines. can anyone else make that statement?
my point is that he is as much as anybody an important part of the FD community and he is not there simply to ring the cash register.
he is there to breathe even more life into what i consider to be one of the greatest mass produced sports cars ever built.
we don't live in a perfect world quite yet. as such, the Trak Pros could use brake line fixtures, i think they should carry less spring rate and the rears maybe need another half inch of adj.
my SS brakelines (RacingBrake) don't interfere w anything so i will probably never fiddle w them... i will over the winter lean on Cam for less spring rate and my rears have set about a half inch so they are perfect at 25 inches. when i go to less rate i will have a bit more set so there is no issue as far as i am concerned.
thanks Cam for all you have contributed to our beloved FD over the years.
howard
Art
12-29-10, 03:48 PM
#349
The Man
12-30-10, 08:15 AM
#350
I know he tried calling Pettit a couple weeks back several times and left a message, nothing back on their end, they could be busy as are we. However if one of you guys is talking to them on a regular basis it would be nice to know what they do.