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Old 08-25-10, 02:01 PM
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NA S4 vs Civic SI

Pulled out into traffic, got behind an 06+ Civic SI... He gives it a little gas and sharply cuts to the left lane before we both have to stop at a light. He looks over and revs a little, I rev back.

I tack it to 6500, light turns green we both launch... I thought I was gonna have my *** handed to me, but I take the guy until about 80mph before he starts pulling up. Then we have to stop for light.

So what the heck people? I thought those things have some K series engine making like 200hp or something.

I was driving Mutaku's car (for those that know him) since he is in the airforce and his car has AC and a stereo

His car is all stock, 88 GXL with horrible LSD. Only mods it has is a home made cold air intake and airpump actuated 5/6 port. I mean even the exhaust is a smaller diameter than a stock exhaust

Civic was just an 06+ body style SI. Looked stock, no rims or exhaust or anything.

I did get an awesome launch though because I have been practicing lately. I am just wondering if the guy was maybe sandbagging. Any thoughts?
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Old 08-25-10, 03:51 PM
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Civic si comparable to a acura rsx? I beat one of them last week with the vert. I thought he was gonna get me, but I get experience>performance? lol He had exhaust and lowered with a few gauges, so maybe some mods? Vert is stock with fireball exhaust.
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Well considering there are several different K20s which is what the Civic Si has what is called the K20A3, this is what that makes:

K20A3
Found In
2002-2005 Honda Civic Si (EP3)
2002-2005 Honda Civic SiR (EP3)(Canadian version of US Civic Si)
2002-2006 Acura RSX
Displacement: 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)
Compression: 9.5:1
Power: 155hp(120 kW) @ 6500 rpm(SAE net J1349 Rev 8/04)
Torque: 132 lbft (179 Nm)* (191 Nm) @ 5000 rpm(SAE net J1349 Rev 8/04)
Redline: 6800 rpm
i-VTEC Engagement Window: 2200 rpm

There is a reason why you won pretty good. The other K20s are what you would want to stay away from:

K20A2
Found in:
2002-2004 RSX Type-S (USDM)
2002-2004 Honda Integra Type R (Australia)
2002-2005 Honda Civic Type R (EP3, European)
Displacement: 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)
Compression: 11.0:1
Power: 197hp @ 7800 rpm
Torque: 141 ftlbf (196Nm) @ 5600 rpm
Rev limit:8100 rpm (USDM RSX-S, U.K Civic-R )
i-VTEC engagement: 5800 rpm

K20Z3

This inline-4 cylinder internal combustion engine is found in the US market Honda Civic Si (2006+) & Canadian market Acura CSX Type-S. It has an aluminum block with an aluminum head, and a bore and stroke of 86 mm x 86 mm, resulting in a 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in) displacement.
Found in:
2006-2010 Honda Civic Si (FG2 - Coupe & FA5 - Sedan), 2007 Acura CSX Type-S
Displacement : 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)
Compression : 11:1
Power: 197 bhp (147 kW) @ 7800 rpm (sae NET Rev 8/04)
Torque: 140 ftlbf (189 Nm) @ 6200 rpm (sae NET Rev 8/04)
Redline: 8000 rpm
Fuel Cutoff: 8300 rpm
i-VTEC Engagement Window:5800 rpm

These will highly likely walk you.
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^this. my friend had an 2008(?) civic si that pulled on my na fc with a k&n intake and catback apexi N1 exhaust. seemed the driver of the si u raced sucked too since my friend launched his si good and once he reached 2nd gear he started pulling away slowly

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^ Yeah I definitely got an awesome launch compared to him. Probably why he didn't start pulling until 3rd gear.

Thanks for the info guys.
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I had fun with a newer SI on the back roads, the guy couldnt get me off his tail hahaha
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You should totally find me a replacement LSD =P or find a place to rebuild it.
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This is funny because i had a similar encounter, except i have a streetport, full exhaust, and a drop in k&n. I was merging onto the freeway and had a si sedan on my *** so i said what the hell?, downshifted to third took it to 7500 went into fourth to about 115 and was very surprised i had a 1 car lead on him? I didn't post because i knew i was probably going to get flamed, so i read this and said ok might as well. Btw good race.
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Originally Posted by Gryffinwings View Post
Well considering there are several different K20s which is what the Civic Si has what is called the K20A3, this is what that makes:

K20A3
Found In
2002-2005 Honda Civic Si (EP3)
2002-2005 Honda Civic SiR (EP3)(Canadian version of US Civic Si)
2002-2006 Acura RSX
Displacement: 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)
Compression: 9.5:1
Power: 155hp(120 kW) @ 6500 rpm(SAE net J1349 Rev 8/04)
Torque: 132 lbft (179 Nm)* (191 Nm) @ 5000 rpm(SAE net J1349 Rev 8/04)
Redline: 6800 rpm
i-VTEC Engagement Window: 2200 rpm

There is a reason why you won pretty good. The other K20s are what you would want to stay away from:

K20A2
Found in:
2002-2004 RSX Type-S (USDM)
2002-2004 Honda Integra Type R (Australia)
2002-2005 Honda Civic Type R (EP3, European)
Displacement: 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)
Compression: 11.0:1
Power: 197hp @ 7800 rpm
Torque: 141 ftlbf (196Nm) @ 5600 rpm
Rev limit:8100 rpm (USDM RSX-S, U.K Civic-R )
i-VTEC engagement: 5800 rpm

K20Z3

This inline-4 cylinder internal combustion engine is found in the US market Honda Civic Si (2006+) & Canadian market Acura CSX Type-S. It has an aluminum block with an aluminum head, and a bore and stroke of 86 mm x 86 mm, resulting in a 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in) displacement.
Found in:
2006-2010 Honda Civic Si (FG2 - Coupe & FA5 - Sedan), 2007 Acura CSX Type-S
Displacement : 1,998 cc (121.9 cu in)
Compression : 11:1
Power: 197 bhp (147 kW) @ 7800 rpm (sae NET Rev 8/04)
Torque: 140 ftlbf (189 Nm) @ 6200 rpm (sae NET Rev 8/04)
Redline: 8000 rpm
Fuel Cutoff: 8300 rpm
i-VTEC Engagement Window:5800 rpm

These will highly likely walk you.
Did you read his post at all? He raced an FG2 body Civic SI, not an EP breadbox Civic. Which means it was 197hp, not 155hp. He just out drove him off the line and got reeled in at the end. Good race.
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