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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 08:57 AM
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nice killl Ihor. I didn'd do that bad when I ran you the last time we lined up .....
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 10:46 AM
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All Im saying is people forget what cars are and are not. I'm tired of people having the mentality that their car is the best thing in the world and everything else is a piece of junk. You have to be realistic here. Neither of these cars will ever be a ferrari or porsche like some make them out to be and then making excuses when they lose.
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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i couldnt disagree more.
you can't "disagree" with the laws of physics/rolling resistance

they went from a 2nd gear punch. thats hardily a high speed roll my friend
that's an ancillary set of issues: throttle response, torque production, and reaction time....maybe Rich wasn't brake boosting, wasn't in the right rpm range, or simply mis-timed it...all Mustang guy had to do was blindly mash the throttle...I've raced high horsepower F bodies before and they JUMP, so you have to be spot-on, and you have to be boosting

and thats when the fd lost the race
then it wasn't a good run

he didnt lose it on the top end. did u watch the vid?
no, and I already noted that

100rwhp is easily offset by the 1k lb difference.
again, not necessarily (if it truly is a 1k difference, which I doubt, prob more like 700 lbs)

we arent talking about a 100mph punch are we?
that would have likely been even worse for Rich....unless they run up to 175 and the Mustang blower "runs out of steam" (which prob happens at about 150-155 in reality)

i am still friggen shocked at the outcome of this
I wasn't

looking at trap speed that is posted it should be a no brainer that the fd should have won.
AGAIN...you aren't listening....standing start 1/4 mile trap has little in common with a high speed roll on (even from say 40 mph, and I know Rich loves his 40 to 120 rolls and often boasts about his times)...this is a 500 RWHP car!

having been around car racing for over a decade it is pretty obvious to me that the true real and best way to compare twos cars performance is via their trap speed.
then you're simple minded...and I've heard that comment before on here

1/4 mile trap speed cannot be used as a blanket measure of performance under various other circumstances

how about a 140 mph roll? would your trap speed mean anything then?

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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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nice vid
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Improved FD
you can't "disagree" with the laws of physics/rolling resistance



that's an ancillary set of issues: throttle response, torque production, and reaction time....maybe Rich wasn't brake boosting, wasn't in the right rpm range, or simply mis-timed it...all Mustang guy had to do was blindly mash the throttle...I've raced high horsepower F bodies before and they JUMP, so you have to be spot-on, and you have to be boosting



then it wasn't a good run



no, and I already noted that



again, not necessarily



that would have likely been even worse for Rich....unless they run up to 175 and the Mustang blower "runs out of steam" (which prob happens at about 150-155 in reality)



I wasn't



AGAIN...you aren't listening....standing start 1/4 mile trap has little in common with a high speed roll on (even from say 40 mph, and I know Rich loves his 40 to 120 rolls and often boasts about his times)...this is a 500 RWHP car!



then you're simple minded...and I've heard that comment before on here

1/4 mile trap speed cannot be used as a blanket measure of performance under various other circumstances

how about a 140 mph roll? would your trap speed mean anything then?
tks for picking apart every sentence that i typed. i will conclude my view in saying that over the yrs the car that traps higher generally wins a rolling race provided its not from some rediculous speed like 80 mph. if u think otherwise then so be it. Furthermore, trap speed is often used as a key measurement of a cars performance. this isnt my view....its consensus.

i love when people throw out insults on someone intelligence level knowing absolutely zero on what they have accomplished in life. i will be the better man and walk away from that comment. All i did was express my opinion based on what i have seen over the yrs and u attacked me for it. that in itself shows what kind of man u are.

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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Improved FD
AGAIN...you aren't listening....standing start 1/4 mile trap has little in common with a high speed roll on
i will say though that is this is just dead wrong and i think thats where our difference of opinion steams from. thanks for not discussion it like a man though and resorting to personal attacks. good day.

the race in question wasnt a high speed roll on. it was from 40mph. this is what u faill to understand buddy and that is exactly the reason why trap speed is important. you are argueing a point that isnt relevant to this topic.

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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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oh great look what i started
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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1 test result is worth more than a thousand expert opinions. Nice race. Everyone needs to remember, there is always a faster car out there and it may not be one you personally like.
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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Streetfire link
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And here's one of Rich talking trash

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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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1 test result is worth more than a thousand expert opinions. Nice race. Everyone needs to remember, there is always a faster car out there and it may not be one you personally like.
i hear you...but how is typing "nice kill" fun. the discussion is what makes it fun, for me atleast.

the problem arises when u get whinny little bitches posting. which is very common on the rx7 forum these days.
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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That is something you see on other forums all the time. How often have we seen people from here going to other forums to talk trash? It happens all the time. I agree we do see it here all the time. The rotary community can't even get along with each other very well. The guy posted a video here and an RX-7 lost. It happens. Yes the RX-7 CAN lose! How many people here talked trash and said it couldn't have happened? I love RX-7's and have never been a Mustang fan but I still do have to say "nice kill".
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 12:46 PM
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Rich has a very nice car, and it's plenty quick. Was he really racing you though? If so credit to you for the win, Ihor.
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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Was he racing hahaha. Going 6 times back to back I would say he was racing.
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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noooo...how can u lose rich!?
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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This is something I never understand... As much as I love my 7, there is always something better (in one category or the other)... Does the value of the 7 depreciate if someone beat a 7? Why are some ppl so offended when the 7 lost :P...

Also... how can you say a race is unfair... in the "fairest" race, there wouldn't be a winner now would it? It's just funny reading some ppl's response to 7's defeat..
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Very entertaining thread. Good kill BTW
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by matty
i hear you...but how is typing "nice kill" fun. the discussion is what makes it fun, for me atleast.

the problem arises when u get whinny little bitches posting. which is very common on the rx7 forum these days.
Yup. Its exactly why I don't post hear anymore. This kills section is comprised of too many whiney little morons that call "BS" or result to name calling (childish & a complete waste of time). Its too bad, it used to be a neat little forum.


That video reminded me of "Blair Witch Project"....the camera kept moving all over the place. I had a headache after that stupid flick.

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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 03:09 PM
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http://media.putfile.com/rich-talking-trash
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Yellow R1
Yup. Its exactly why I don't post hear anymore. This kills section is comprised of too many whiney little morons that call "BS" or result to name calling (childish & a complete waste of time). Its too bad, it used to be a neat little forum.


That video reminded me of "Blair Witch Project"....the camera kept moving all over the place. I had a headache after that stupid flick.

-Matt

Try posting in the lounge. The kids in there are just horrendous human beings. what do you expect? u can pick up a Fd for 9k now a days.

Couple guys have asked me why I argue so much....I just cant take the bs some of these people dish out and I could get vocal about it sometimes. there is a difference between having a different opinion vs just being a jerk off.

In another thread some idiot laid into me cause I used the word unch'ed in place of unchanged. Can u believe that? who the **** cares. Meanwhile in his attack towards me he used poor grammar and misspelled words. its like whats going on?
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotary Experiment Seven
So this has got to be the 3rd time we've lined up and the result is always the same. After some people talking smack in the other cobra vs fd thread earlier this week, I laid down the challenge. We did like 5-6 highways pulls from a 2nd gear roll. The first run I immediatley got a car+ on him and he started to fall back really fast. I think he got mad and let off. I let him catch up and we lined up again. Same thing. I immediately get a car and continue to pull away as we wound out the gears. I usually don't bother to look at the speedo during racing but I think we got to about 130 or so. We get off to make a u-turn. Rich pulls along side. Rich is pissed. Rich turns up boost. <a href='http://media.putfile.com/rich-mad-2'>Click here to watch 'rich-mad-2'</a>
I was running 12 psi for the first few races, then 15 psi.

I was perplexed by how the car was running, and mentioned the 'lumpiness' at high rpm to ihor.

Later that night I took a good look around the engine bay with a flashlight and discovered that one of my leading spark plug wires was dangling freely! I had changed plugs earlier in the morning and the front rotor leading wire had come off.

Lesson learned, don't race a fast car with only 3 spark plugs functional
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 03:25 PM
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I really find it hard to belive that one of the leading plug wires was off. Maybe a trailing, but no way the car would run like that with a leading plug off. We can go again if you want.
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotary Experiment Seven
I really find it hard to belive that one of the leading plug wires was off. Maybe a trailing, but no way the car would run like that with a leading plug off. We can go again if you want.
Yeah, I was speechless when I saw it. It must not have been clipped on all the way. I'll bet it was loose and then popped off on that horrible bumpy road you took me on.

Guys, ihor's car is fast as ****. I shouldn't have been racing when I knew something wasn't right with the car, and I said as much before the race. There's always next time......
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotary Experiment Seven
I really find it hard to belive that one of the leading plug wires was off. Maybe a trailing, but no way the car would run like that with a leading plug off. We can go again if you want.

We need an "AWWW ****" smilie

Lets get some better footage this time if possible.
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Old Aug 9, 2006 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by matty
i am shocked by the outcome!!! is your 12.2 @118mph indicative of your current setup?

if it is then i am sure u can understand why people talked "smack" in the last thread as thats stock twins numbers. but i am guessing that your sig is not up to date given that u just pulled a car that could be trapping around 125mph.

either way thks for the vid....
I'm not !!!
At 12-13psi Rich has no chance in hell to hang with the Cobra.
At 15-16psi is also never gonna see 125mph traps.
Rich needs to turn up the boost and race the Cobra again:-)

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