i am going to agree with somwthing someone else has said earlier. the rx7 is over 10 years old for the us version. so comparison can not be made for the fact of advancements in technology. i think it would be fair to say that if thier was a new 7 that the handling and power to weight would be outstanding. But you have to admit for a 10 year old car to still be handling as well as some of the fastest factory cars. That is great enginering by mazda and i can't wait to see the next rx7 if their is one.
I also give respect to the evo for being absolute monsters. It is a great setup on a ugly rocket.

 

+1

-M

 

I also believe that the Evo is using pretty much the same everything as it was in 1993. The only differences are changes in turbo and cams, which is comparable to the minor changes in the JDM RX7. MIVEC in the IX and AWD tweaks are the biggest changes since the beginning of the Evo. Both cars are using almost exactly what they had some 13 years ago, but that's only if they are stock. The RX7 still benefits from advances in automotive technology from the aftermarket. Aftermarket coilovers, standalones, and turbos are all being popped into both cars, and I'm sure they're a great improvement over the original technologies. I don't think the age argument has much legitimacy when it comes to these two particular cars, especially when modded.

 

yeah, i completley agree, with modification you can throw that arguement out the window because performance wise, you can get most of the modern performance amenities into older cars, such as ball bearing-ceramic turbochargers with external wastegates and standalone engine management system and high tech coilover systems and such. the thing is you see way more FDs with the high power mods(new turbos and ecus) than the EVOs because it is a much more complicated task on newer cars because ECU's have to control so much more on cars now then they did 13 years ago.

 

I was racing a GSR from a 30mph roll, i was in 4th and he was in 2nd. I can hear his car screaming VTEC but once i hit secondary boost, i started flying on him.
THE SEVEN CAN'T LOSE!

 

OH YEAH!! WELL My Dad can beat up your mom!!!

 

you're the one making the claim here without facts, not me. i've got about 30 full length BMI movies, so i've seen more than a vid or two on google video. i can't really think of any stock evo wins in the dry. i know the first FD spanks the evo 3 or so. i know the 99 spec FD (the blue one they raced) won it's first race.

how many stock evo's won against the fastest stock FD's of the day in the dry? please link the video title so i can look it up too.

if i'm wrong, prove it. if you can't you are obviously another troll.

 

Ditto

 

let's just touch on some of these ideas from a factual standpoint.

--"advancements in technology"? like using double wishbone front suspension for better suspension geometry? (and cough, sequential twin turbos) wait, the rx7 had that in 1992 and the evo still doesn't and probably wont.


--"if thier was a new 7 that the handling and power to weight would be outstanding" how about the one in 2002: 2700lbs, 280hp = 9.6428571428571428571428571428571 lb/hp ratio... as compared to the 2006/7 evo9's 3250lbs and 300(yeh, it's really about that, see, i'm fair.)hp = 10.833333333333333333333333333333 lb/hp.

don't forget the better balance issue.

http://www.runeb.org/www_docs/Jexoti...0vs.%20evo.mpg

 

I think the time attack records say enough.

 

if you're going to be realistic on how much power the EVOs are making 300hp being generous, might as well be realistic on how much power the 99 spec cars were making, 280ps is what all the cars make because of the manufacturers agreement, 99 specs actually make WELL over 300hp.

 

As do Evos. Stock IX's are putting down 270awhp bone stock. 280hp ceased to mean anything quite a while back.

 

Wow.

Let's start over here guys.

Take a stock FD and a stock EVO VIII (or IX - whichever you prefer) in the US. Given a professional driver answer the following questions... Who wins in the quarter? Who wins in a road race? Who wins in an autox? Who wins in top speed? Who wins in 0-60?

Ok, after we've answered those questions, let's throw TBE, boost, intake, and a tune. Now, let's answer those questions again..

After 60,000 miles with those mods, who still has a crisp motor and working stock turbo?

I hope you see my point..

-M

 

ok, well, lets do that test right now, except i have 88,000 miles on my original motor, very crisp very well working 10 psi sequential twin turbos. and to be fair i get a TBE intake and tuning as well with 12 psi of boost.

 

Ok. PM me when you get the mods. Did you want to take it to an autox, road course, or quarter-mile track? I plan on road racing in July at WillowSprings this year actually.

I'm getting the car dyno tuned with those same mods next week (no stand-alone, no SAFC, just a simple reflash). I'll post up sheets as soon as I'm able.

-M

Btw, the only intake you are allowed is a simple K&N dropin.

 

when are you guys going to shutup?

 

LOL

 

LOL very funny d1. im just a broke high school student, but in order for me to raise boost safely and to tune i need a standalone which is around 800 dollars, i'd be willing to go to whatever, im into all sorts of racing(except oval tracks) so you name the place. are you talking about actual willow springs or streets of willow? i'll be at streets of willow early july with my GSX friend, so if you're going to the same event, i'll see you there.

 

i wonder if any forum members here have gone up against that AMS evo and just dont want to say anything hehe.

 

well considering that florida car with 900+whp just got finished its safe to say no. and you can't compare the worlds highest hp evo with insane $$$ and tuning put into compard to us regular folk.

 

Agreed StealthFox.

Where abouts do you hang out in LA on the weekends? I'm in Woodland Hills. Do you come to any of the RX7 meets in Northridge? I still stay in contact with one of my buddies who has a T2 and RX8. Maybe we can meet up this weekend. Also what are your mods on the FD?

-M

 

Streets of Willow.

You don't need a standalone. The stock fuel system on the FD can handle 12psi with a piggyback. Try to see if you can get a HKS F-CON or a APexi FC. We can rule out 0-60 test because you'd lose that one anyway (unless you had slicks - which is disqualifying). Maybe a good roll along test from 20-120 and some twisty runs.

-M

 

good then i'll see you at streets of willow. and spending 500 dollars on a piggyback is flat out stupid when im going to eventually need a standalone TO PROPERLY tune my car, piggybacks on FDs are as worthless as horse ****. 2 things you never cheap out on with FDs is cooling and tuning. im all stock right now except for a catback and even with 300whp an lanevo would destroy an rx-7, theres no competition, AWD vs RWD, enough said. im in the west los angeles area and have never been to the northridge rx7 meets. are the socal RX club meets or just an informal group of friends meeting with rx7s? i'll check it out sometime when my car is back on the street again(doing brake work right now)

i also have a bent swaybar mount, and half of my shocks are blown , and i have a bent wheel so my car handles like a cadillac, but i promise you we will run together, I keep my word, im not a punk *** online bull *******. im a young novice driver still learning how to drive and i have a great handling car and like anything thats well balanced and fun to drive. You seem like a reasonable person and knowledgable so i wouldn't have any problems hanging out with you and your RX/EVO friends. I run with EVOs all the time so there's nothing new, i have 3 close friends that i talk to every day with them, all of which regularly run with me. theres a straight 8, 8 MR and a 9 MR.

 

It is true that a standalone can't be beat. However, you are running stock turbos. You could easily get the PowerFC and be fine. If I'm not mistaken, it has controls for timing and fuel.

Not true. It depends on the scenario.

I'll ask Carlos what the meet is. It's really the older 2nd gen guys. I hear the 3rd gen fellas are pretty snotty..

When you get your car on the street, PM me. I'm probably going to look at some events for Streets of Willow here in the next month or so.

Cheers,

-M

 

they are very snotty, in fact im an FC guy, so i know that they're snotty because i hang out with the people they're snotty to. i bought an FC when i was 14 years old and owned it untill recently and have always wanted a turbo II, i came across this and couldn't pass up such an immaculate rarity.

and i actually AM getting the power FC, and thats definately not a piggy back. eventually im going to be running a downpipe, fmic intake and possibly a straight pipe so i'll basically be right at the limit in which i'd need a higher flowing fuel pump, so if i were to get a greddy emanage or something like that i'd end up throwing it away when i get bolt ons after the reliability mods are done.