FD s FC **Video** Both cars Modded Heavily
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Originally Posted by LT1-10AE
^^^ Yeah, bring it. Dammit I WANT to run a nice TII or FD, but so far all have refused to run me. Maybe it's because I have no fear of running AWD DSMs from a stop.
Hey, Brian. Maybe you & I plus LT8TurboII can all meet him half way if he wants to "bring it". Could have enormous entertainment value...
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Hahah... yeah, he can come have breakfast, lunch and dinner 
Bah, at any rate, I know my car is a solid 12.1-12.2 car the way it sits, off the juice. I've only pulled the valve covers to inspect the internals, everything is stock.
I do know it will run neck and neck with an LS1 Camaro running 150HP shot of nitrous. I'd kill him in the turns though
Bah, at any rate, I know my car is a solid 12.1-12.2 car the way it sits, off the juice. I've only pulled the valve covers to inspect the internals, everything is stock.
I do know it will run neck and neck with an LS1 Camaro running 150HP shot of nitrous. I'd kill him in the turns though
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From: Skid Row
Originally Posted by GnubberLang
Why don't all you knuckle-dragging v8 lovers move out to the boondocks of west virginia and get yourself some camaros? I don't hate v8s all that much, I just don't like big engines, I got nothing to make up for I guess. I think it's your attitudes that **** people off. Why is it that a V8 and a douche are always in the same car? Coincidence? </OPINE>
He also owns an R2........https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...90#post3027990.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...48#post3028048. He's quite the car constructor.
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Originally Posted by mark57
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?p=3028048#post3028048
He also owns an R2........https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...90#post3027990.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...48#post3028048. He's quite the car constructor.
He also owns an R2........https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...90#post3027990.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...48#post3028048. He's quite the car constructor.
Yea? I own your mom too, **** off.
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From: Kansas
Originally Posted by GnubberLang
Yea? I own your mom too, **** off.
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Originally Posted by LT8TurboII
Are you 12?
Now there's a career... an underling at a Jiffy Lube. That ranks right up there with Norm McDonald's Saturday Night Live list "worst Jobs in America" in which "Assistant Crack *****" normally takes top honors.
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From: south jersey
i love this thread ..i think the rotary is cool as hell ...but like most smaller motors if you want real power drivability suffers...im origionally a vw watercooled dork so im not against other import owners at all it takes more skills to get a small motor to do what a big motor does easily....
but without bieng to big of an *** my pump gas nos, assisted carborated v8 rx7 will compare with the most heavily modified rotary drag car and i can drive it anywhere and fill her up at wawa.went 10.80 @127on motor and drove it home .you cant have the nos times ...i dont race auto cross or road race but you would be surpized at the level of handling retained after the swap ...no longer 50/50 but my corner weight wast real far off and the added tq makes it an any rpm killer
but without bieng to big of an *** my pump gas nos, assisted carborated v8 rx7 will compare with the most heavily modified rotary drag car and i can drive it anywhere and fill her up at wawa.went 10.80 @127on motor and drove it home .you cant have the nos times ...i dont race auto cross or road race but you would be surpized at the level of handling retained after the swap ...no longer 50/50 but my corner weight wast real far off and the added tq makes it an any rpm killer
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Originally Posted by academytim
If you were comparing a moderately powered 13b, I would probably say you are close to having a valid argument there...as a sequential 3rd gen's power at 4k can be pretty decent compared to its peak. However, we are talking about 400-450whp 13bs as compared to a 400-450whp LS1. (which will rev to about 6800-7k btw, so its not as shallow as you think) Take a 13b with a ported motor and a t78 or the like. The cars I've seen aren't even at full boost yet by 4k, and are only making in the 230hp range...if that. Are they as peaky as a 4cyl honda? Of course not...but they don't have the area under the curve like a V8 does.
I'm also thinking of EVOs and DSMs that make power 3500-7500 and they do awesome against Vettes and Vipers and the like because the power is always there because they stay within their powerband.
True to an extent...but even in road racing there are times you come out of a low speed turn and the low end grunt will help. There is a thread about this in the "other engines" section about road course testing an LS1/FD. Besides that...how many of the 3rd gens on this board do you think would survive a day of road racing? Spending 30+ minutes at redline or near it? How many owners do you think would sign up to go do that? Not saying there aren't any...because obviously there are. However, most 3rd gens are driven on the street...and the street only. So unless you drive around everywhere on the street banging off the rev limiter...then yes, low rpm horsepower is a good thing to have.
My brother has an FC and it runs great on the track for long periods of time. I'll let you know how it does once he gets a real turbo!
So, in summary...if you ever get the opportunity to drive an LS1/FD, please do it. Even if you would never entertain the idea of swapping your Rx7. It will help you to understand better. I used to say the exact same things you are saying now until I got behind the wheel of 2hotrod's car and drove it. It will slam you to the seat in any gear...at any rpm INSTANTLY, and hold you there until you shift. Don't get me wrong, I like the feel of "boost" but the difference is substantial. As far as racing goes...I'll take a 2k-7k power band over a 5-8k power band any day of the week.
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Street driving them is a completely different matter as well. True, they both hold their own fairly well on the track, but around town there aren't too many rotaries that can start in 1st, jump to 4th, then jump to 6th without lugging the car and shifting at 2kRPM.
I was in the Smoky mountains a couple of weeks ago with my car and just cruising through the twisty roads up and down the mountains I was usually leaving it in 6th and climbing steep grades at 1100-1300RPM.
I don't think there are too many people arguing that a V8 swap dominates the rotary in every situation, but the biggest eye opener is day to day driving and fuel mileage.
I was in the Smoky mountains a couple of weeks ago with my car and just cruising through the twisty roads up and down the mountains I was usually leaving it in 6th and climbing steep grades at 1100-1300RPM.
I don't think there are too many people arguing that a V8 swap dominates the rotary in every situation, but the biggest eye opener is day to day driving and fuel mileage.
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Originally Posted by takumi4G63
For example, I have no doubt in autocross a 13b would get completely owned by an LS1.
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Hmm... is there anyone actually offering a kit for LS1 or LS6 swap ?
How do you go around with the wiring for the instrument panel ?
I think I would go this route when my engine goes. No rotary mechanics around anyway
For those with such a swap - how much did it run you $$$ vise ?
How do you go around with the wiring for the instrument panel ?
I think I would go this route when my engine goes. No rotary mechanics around anyway
For those with such a swap - how much did it run you $$$ vise ?
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Both Grannys and Hinson offer LS1/6 installation kits.
As far as the instrument panel is concerned, you use the stock Mazda gauge senders in the new engine and your needles will all perform the way they should. For the LS1/6, the tach signal is the same so there are no modifications to be done for that, just tie the dash tach signal lead to the ECU tach signal lead.
A couple of companies offer electronic conversion boxes for the speedometer as well.
As far as the instrument panel is concerned, you use the stock Mazda gauge senders in the new engine and your needles will all perform the way they should. For the LS1/6, the tach signal is the same so there are no modifications to be done for that, just tie the dash tach signal lead to the ECU tach signal lead.
A couple of companies offer electronic conversion boxes for the speedometer as well.
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v-8 engine swaps = cool, unique!
massive hp = $$$, pay to play!
straightline = boring
drifting = fun
Doesn't matter what you drive, if you think it's cool, then it's cool and no one can take that from you (or at least that moment).
massive hp = $$$, pay to play!
straightline = boring
drifting = fun
Doesn't matter what you drive, if you think it's cool, then it's cool and no one can take that from you (or at least that moment).
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Originally Posted by pimpncuba
take your car to a track and watch a new c6 or z06 crush your dreams. those cars are amazing on the track. with a car that is 10+ years old you are going to have flaws that are inherent of structure of the car that will hurt handling. you can try to correct those with aftermarket suspensions etc but you can't really compete with the technology of a brand new car. i was asking your definition of performance if it was purely speed, ie 1/4 mile, 0-60, because new cars make any 10+ year old car look like dirt on a track.
http://www.myautoevents.com/pls/mae/...sEVENT_ID=3841
u have to be signed up, but in case you're not
zo6: 44.992
WRS STI: 43.522
me (355ci FC): 43.330
I was on 235 F, 245 R with no traction drifting around the track.
Oh and on 1/4 m I ran 12.19 spinning thru 1st and 2nd gears @117
Right now in process of 383 upgade and 285s tire upgrade. Please admit that you got owned. Thanks.
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Kukri - what carb are you using? Ive heard of some having starvation issues at high Gs except for certain race ones. There are also TBI kits available that bolt onto the intake just like a carb but give all the advantages of EFI except for SEFI like a LS1 would have - so you wont get quite as good gas mileage, but its a cheap way to get some advantages of EFI.
Also, because these cars have such low rear gears, why not keep it a 350 and build for revs? Its light as hell and 383 torque through short gears would be a complete smoke show
which would look impressive as hell but good luck autocrossing THAT, lol.
Then again, Ive heard of C4 pumpkins being adapted for FCs, and someone is working on a Cobra pumpkin, so there ya go...
Also, because these cars have such low rear gears, why not keep it a 350 and build for revs? Its light as hell and 383 torque through short gears would be a complete smoke show
which would look impressive as hell but good luck autocrossing THAT, lol.Then again, Ive heard of C4 pumpkins being adapted for FCs, and someone is working on a Cobra pumpkin, so there ya go...
