600HP Supra bows to Turbo Trans Am.
11-01-05, 09:26 PM
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The best thing about a Trans Am is that you can put a trailer hitch on the back to tow your house around when you need to move it.
Definitely a fast car in a straight line, but not my taste...
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Definitely a fast car in a straight line, but not my taste...
Brian
11-01-05, 09:37 PM
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LOVE IT!!! best of both worlds maybe??
It all comes down to taste, some people like Domestic cars and some don’t (like me ). Respect is given when earned I think, that turbo firebird is fast in the straight line, but how long will the motor last like that? They’re just so many aspects to look at.
But, LS1<2JZGTE
It all comes down to taste, some people like Domestic cars and some don’t (like me
). Respect is given when earned I think, that turbo firebird is fast in the straight line, but how long will the motor last like that? They’re just so many aspects to look at.But, LS1<2JZGTE
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11-01-05, 09:51 PM
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All I gotta say is that I have a 98 V8 TA sittin in the garage under a car cover with 13,152 miles on it and I would trade it for a Supra any day of the week!! Granted my TA is stock, but it gets up and goes pretty quick and is definately nice, or I wouldn't have gotten the car.
Supra STOCK bottom ends have proven that they can handle 900 whp and have some room to go. There are a FEW Supra's out there with 1000+hp bragging rights, anyone who remotely follows these cars knows who I'm talkin about.
None the less, both cars in this vid are very impressive and I wish I could own either one. I for one will always be an import guy.
Supra STOCK bottom ends have proven that they can handle 900 whp and have some room to go. There are a FEW Supra's out there with 1000+hp bragging rights, anyone who remotely follows these cars knows who I'm talkin about.
None the less, both cars in this vid are very impressive and I wish I could own either one. I for one will always be an import guy.
11-01-05, 10:19 PM
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Yanno, guys like me would shut up if all the hating and bashing would give way for some objectivity. Opinions on image, on what your preference is, what you 'like'... see it for what it is and act accordingly. You think a Supra looks nicer and has a better image about it. Fine!
Opinions are like ********, everyone has one and most of them stink. But when there are FACTS to speak of that are ignored in lieu of bullshit, bigotry, assumption and misinformation (if theres any at all).
BTW, 7THSIGN, I would virtually guarantee that a LS1 would fit better in the FDs engine bay, weigh less, and because its not as long as the 2JZ, it would have better distribution, which apparently matters a lot to most people here. And yeah, it would make all the power a 2JZ would with forged internals.
Its not "BETTER" than a LS1, but in one dimension, the strength of the rotating assembly, it is stronger. But, its headflow is nothing impressive, its heavy, its long, and it has more expensive parts on it, and it has less displacement. You cant just ignore all of those other factors because people with money to blow who want to hang out in the import scene with a backwards baseball cap pays someone to put a turbo kit on it, and its internals are strong enough to stand up to a turbo that it cant spool up until its revving rather high and is useless for anything but highway runs.
Youre making a SUBJECTIVE statement with 2JZ>LS1. In terms of standing up to the power from a giant turbo, stock, its better, yes. But other than that, its not.
Opinions are like ********, everyone has one and most of them stink. But when there are FACTS to speak of that are ignored in lieu of bullshit, bigotry, assumption and misinformation (if theres any at all).
BTW, 7THSIGN, I would virtually guarantee that a LS1 would fit better in the FDs engine bay, weigh less, and because its not as long as the 2JZ, it would have better distribution, which apparently matters a lot to most people here. And yeah, it would make all the power a 2JZ would with forged internals.
Its not "BETTER" than a LS1, but in one dimension, the strength of the rotating assembly, it is stronger. But, its headflow is nothing impressive, its heavy, its long, and it has more expensive parts on it, and it has less displacement. You cant just ignore all of those other factors because people with money to blow who want to hang out in the import scene with a backwards baseball cap pays someone to put a turbo kit on it, and its internals are strong enough to stand up to a turbo that it cant spool up until its revving rather high and is useless for anything but highway runs.
Youre making a SUBJECTIVE statement with 2JZ>LS1. In terms of standing up to the power from a giant turbo, stock, its better, yes. But other than that, its not.
11-01-05, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Marshall
Please tell me we're not going to have a pissing contest on the handling of 3rd gen F-body vs an FD. I think that ship sailed about 12 years ago.
11-01-05, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wargasm
The best thing about a Trans Am is that you can put a trailer hitch on the back to tow your house around when you need to move it.
Definitely a fast car in a straight line, but not my taste...
Brian
Definitely a fast car in a straight line, but not my taste...
Brian
fast in corners, too.
11-01-05, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
If you had any clue on suspension performance, you'd understand that skidpad G's don't mean ****.
That IROC is running 245 / 50 / 16 tires.
The FC is running 205's...maybe 225's.
The FC will run RINGS around an IROC when you talk about overall handling.
The IROC underdamped and too front heavy.
-Ted
That IROC is running 245 / 50 / 16 tires.
The FC is running 205's...maybe 225's.
The FC will run RINGS around an IROC when you talk about overall handling.
The IROC underdamped and too front heavy.
-Ted
11-01-05, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by quick_brick
This is starting to turn in to a pissing contest, so i am over this.
11-02-05, 12:39 AM
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Yanno, a stripped and caged IROC-Z with coilovers ( the rollbars are ******* huge, and yeah I have one) and a LSx in there with a T-56, tubular control arms and PHB, and a tierod kit would be pretty ******* good. It would be no FD (duh) But against a poopra it would be pretty ******* competetive. And actually, a LOT of camaros are lighter than supras anyway... hah.
Id also like to see a 3800Turbo swap in a 3rd or 4th gen vs a Supra some day. Most ricers have heard of the "GNX" and respect it... .8 more liters of displacement can spool a turbo appreciably faster, and those engines are hardly torque slouches. That solid axle would also let it UTTERLY humiliate a Supra on dubz and lowering springs off the line... haha.
Though, to be fair, 3rd gen Camaros are relatively 'junky' and a lot of them by now are in serious need of frame stiffening and rattle reduction, and the 80s era engines were... well, shitty. The cams had about as much duration as an average ricer's attention span and had the lift of a 10 year olds boys chest, and the TPI intake manifold had runners that are simply way, way, WAY too long. for revving over 5.5K RPMS.
I think the issue is ricers think of 20 year old, poorly cared for, stock camaros as being indicative of everything to do with v8s
Id also like to see a 3800Turbo swap in a 3rd or 4th gen vs a Supra some day. Most ricers have heard of the "GNX" and respect it... .8 more liters of displacement can spool a turbo appreciably faster, and those engines are hardly torque slouches. That solid axle would also let it UTTERLY humiliate a Supra on dubz and lowering springs off the line... haha.
Though, to be fair, 3rd gen Camaros are relatively 'junky' and a lot of them by now are in serious need of frame stiffening and rattle reduction, and the 80s era engines were... well, shitty. The cams had about as much duration as an average ricer's attention span and had the lift of a 10 year olds boys chest, and the TPI intake manifold had runners that are simply way, way, WAY too long. for revving over 5.5K RPMS.
I think the issue is ricers think of 20 year old, poorly cared for, stock camaros as being indicative of everything to do with v8s
11-02-05, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by lovintha7
So what you're saying is you have a twin turbo 2006 Z06 7.0L aluminum engine in the process. Do tell how much just the engine costs.
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Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Yanno, a stripped and caged IROC-Z with coilovers ( the rollbars are ******* huge, and yeah I have one) and a LSx in there with a T-56, tubular control arms and PHB, and a tierod kit would be pretty ******* good. It would be no FD (duh) But against a poopra it would be pretty ******* competetive. And actually, a LOT of camaros are lighter than supras anyway... hah.
Id also like to see a 3800Turbo swap in a 3rd or 4th gen vs a Supra some day. Most ricers have heard of the "GNX" and respect it... .8 more liters of displacement can spool a turbo appreciably faster, and those engines are hardly torque slouches. That solid axle would also let it UTTERLY humiliate a Supra on dubz and lowering springs off the line... haha.
Though, to be fair, 3rd gen Camaros are relatively 'junky' and a lot of them by now are in serious need of frame stiffening and rattle reduction, and the 80s era engines were... well, shitty. The cams had about as much duration as an average ricer's attention span and had the lift of a 10 year olds boys chest, and the TPI intake manifold had runners that are simply way, way, WAY too long. for revving over 5.5K RPMS.
I think the issue is ricers think of 20 year old, poorly cared for, stock camaros as being indicative of everything to do with v8s
Id also like to see a 3800Turbo swap in a 3rd or 4th gen vs a Supra some day. Most ricers have heard of the "GNX" and respect it... .8 more liters of displacement can spool a turbo appreciably faster, and those engines are hardly torque slouches. That solid axle would also let it UTTERLY humiliate a Supra on dubz and lowering springs off the line... haha.
Though, to be fair, 3rd gen Camaros are relatively 'junky' and a lot of them by now are in serious need of frame stiffening and rattle reduction, and the 80s era engines were... well, shitty. The cams had about as much duration as an average ricer's attention span and had the lift of a 10 year olds boys chest, and the TPI intake manifold had runners that are simply way, way, WAY too long. for revving over 5.5K RPMS.
I think the issue is ricers think of 20 year old, poorly cared for, stock camaros as being indicative of everything to do with v8s
"realitivly junky" hardly describes most of them. i think you ment total POS's. Most of them are falling apart by now, i was lucky enough to score one from an old dude, it was his wifes car and i bought it with about 63k on the odometer. Yes, TPI SUCKS!
First thing i did to this car was install SFC's.
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Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Yanno, a stripped and caged IROC-Z with coilovers ( the rollbars are ******* huge, and yeah I have one) and a LSx in there with a T-56, tubular control arms and PHB, and a tierod kit would be pretty ******* good. It would be no FD (duh) But against a poopra it would be pretty ******* competetive. And actually, a LOT of camaros are lighter than supras anyway... hah.
Id also like to see a 3800Turbo swap in a 3rd or 4th gen vs a Supra some day. Most ricers have heard of the "GNX" and respect it... .8 more liters of displacement can spool a turbo appreciably faster, and those engines are hardly torque slouches. That solid axle would also let it UTTERLY humiliate a Supra on dubz and lowering springs off the line... haha.
Though, to be fair, 3rd gen Camaros are relatively 'junky' and a lot of them by now are in serious need of frame stiffening and rattle reduction, and the 80s era engines were... well, shitty. The cams had about as much duration as an average ricer's attention span and had the lift of a 10 year olds boys chest, and the TPI intake manifold had runners that are simply way, way, WAY too long. for revving over 5.5K RPMS.
I think the issue is ricers think of 20 year old, poorly cared for, stock camaros as being indicative of everything to do with v8s
Id also like to see a 3800Turbo swap in a 3rd or 4th gen vs a Supra some day. Most ricers have heard of the "GNX" and respect it... .8 more liters of displacement can spool a turbo appreciably faster, and those engines are hardly torque slouches. That solid axle would also let it UTTERLY humiliate a Supra on dubz and lowering springs off the line... haha.
Though, to be fair, 3rd gen Camaros are relatively 'junky' and a lot of them by now are in serious need of frame stiffening and rattle reduction, and the 80s era engines were... well, shitty. The cams had about as much duration as an average ricer's attention span and had the lift of a 10 year olds boys chest, and the TPI intake manifold had runners that are simply way, way, WAY too long. for revving over 5.5K RPMS.
I think the issue is ricers think of 20 year old, poorly cared for, stock camaros as being indicative of everything to do with v8s
I wish more import dudes knew that the first turbo production cars were GM, and not first put in service by the sacred japanese gods (companies). They probably were not made out of the enchanted alloys that make all japanese cars inherently faster, though. I'd probably still kill for a Skyline though
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Originally Posted by Fumanchu
Welcome to the rx7forum. I stopped trying to reason with the rotards a long time ago. Now I sit back and enjoy the idiocy with a huge grin on my face.
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Originally Posted by PwRFreaK
Man you ricers get all uptight when a Poopra goes down.
anyways 2jz's take at least 130-150 rwhp more then a f body with equal weight to keep up. there are stock bottom end Ls1's with low 400's to the wheels running high 10's with just ported heads and a new cam
anyways 2jz's take at least 130-150 rwhp more then a f body with equal weight to keep up. there are stock bottom end Ls1's with low 400's to the wheels running high 10's with just ported heads and a new cam
Ricers? HA!
A stock Supra runs even with a stock f-body. Why is that? Z-28 Camaro is what 305 flywheel, Supra is 320?
There are RX-7's with low 400 hp run 10's. So?
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Originally Posted by Alex-7
Ahahahahaha,
Have a faster supra run the TA and see if the results are the same? Did you really just say that?
For the initial price of a nice Supra, you could have an F body with a RUGGEEDLY built LS1. Seriously, buy a 10k car and spend 15k on the motor.
Have a faster supra run the TA and see if the results are the same? Did you really just say that?
For the initial price of a nice Supra, you could have an F body with a RUGGEEDLY built LS1. Seriously, buy a 10k car and spend 15k on the motor.
For the initial price of an F-body with a rugged build whatever, you could buy an old S-10, drop in an old V8, build it, spray it, run 9's, even 8's, for the same price as you little LS1 F-body. So what is your point? Some prefer using a smaller engine to beat the bigger engines, and it is so much fun, even if it costs more.
11-02-05, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Ok, yes, its been proven the 2JZ has strong stock itnernals and can make a lot of power with a big turbo. But at the end of the day its still only 3 liters displacement spooling up the turbo - a 1000 hp turbon on a 2JZ is frankly oversized. Surge, lag, and powerband are issues. Remember that old "Race from a roll" Tshirt?
But anyway, not everyone is into "take a engine with forged stock internals and toss a gigantic turbo on it to get high peak numbers thats only good for highway runs or drag racing if they bother to ditch the dubs, get drag wheels and set up the suspension for it".
What some people want is tractable power, and you can get that if youre satisfied with mere triple digit power with a 3 liter engine (you can still get several hundred without having to lag like a ****), or with more displacement if youre using a larger displacement.
For the image conscious high rollas who like highway runs the Supra is Great. Its not the end all, not by a long shot - a F-body or a Mustang has the prerequisites to dragrace or go for top end runs itself, and you could simply get a turbo kit, piping **** done, and a forged rotating assembly and go for it. That Trans Am Clearly did.
But, for those who are obsessed with image and the import scene, they will say things such as and be happy about spinning their wheels at 100 mph, instad of wanting some traction and actually getting a good 60'.
Just like the misinformed anonymous RX-7 owner who thinks a 440 whp KA would lose to a 400 whp RB20 in the same car
EDIT: I almost forgot to put this in!
Considering that this is a Supra on a highway run (which is just dragracing without a launch, so even more boring and devoid of any skill except speedshifting and double clutching while upshifting [cos Vin Diesel said you cant shift like a granny!]) why the hell would you even bring that up? Some Supra with cut springs on DUBZ with a giant on/off turbo isnt going to be cutting up any corners, when that turbo spooled up it would spin like a top.
But yeah, its cool when a Supra does a highway run, but its crap when a "muscle car" does the same thing. Can anyone say double standard?
But anyway, not everyone is into "take a engine with forged stock internals and toss a gigantic turbo on it to get high peak numbers thats only good for highway runs or drag racing if they bother to ditch the dubs, get drag wheels and set up the suspension for it".
What some people want is tractable power, and you can get that if youre satisfied with mere triple digit power with a 3 liter engine (you can still get several hundred without having to lag like a ****), or with more displacement if youre using a larger displacement.
For the image conscious high rollas who like highway runs the Supra is Great. Its not the end all, not by a long shot - a F-body or a Mustang has the prerequisites to dragrace or go for top end runs itself, and you could simply get a turbo kit, piping **** done, and a forged rotating assembly and go for it. That Trans Am Clearly did.
But, for those who are obsessed with image and the import scene, they will say things such as and be happy about spinning their wheels at 100 mph, instad of wanting some traction and actually getting a good 60'.
Just like the misinformed anonymous RX-7 owner who thinks a 440 whp KA would lose to a 400 whp RB20 in the same car
EDIT: I almost forgot to put this in!
Considering that this is a Supra on a highway run (which is just dragracing without a launch, so even more boring and devoid of any skill except speedshifting and double clutching while upshifting [cos Vin Diesel said you cant shift like a granny!]) why the hell would you even bring that up? Some Supra with cut springs on DUBZ with a giant on/off turbo isnt going to be cutting up any corners, when that turbo spooled up it would spin like a top.
But yeah, its cool when a Supra does a highway run, but its crap when a "muscle car" does the same thing. Can anyone say double standard?
Why do you keep saying Supra's can't drag or don't?
Ryan Woon-8.99 on 6-speed. No lag there? What No nitrous? How many V8's are doing that?
Paul Efantis- Not sure, but better than Woon's time though, 6-speed.
Marko-8.45 on street boost. Damn so much lag and only good on the highway huh!
11-02-05, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SoontobeLS1'd
I agree it's definitely got it where it counts for insane highway pulls but I would disagree that its powerband is anywhere near fat. I'm not a supra expert, nor do I research them out like I do other things, but every dyno sheet I see is a mountain climb from ~4500-5000 upwards. Are there any big power supras with aything down low?
this isn't a flame or an atempt to step on toes...just an inquiry.
this isn't a flame or an atempt to step on toes...just an inquiry.
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp
all I am seeing here is a supra, supposed to be the God, or mabey just Jesus of imports getting jogged on by a Trans Am, an averagly fast domestic.
Supra 's are bad *** cars, and somewhat own America's racing scene in imports. All Domestis are the same and can all be made really fast. SO they are ALL average. None are above the others. And they only take 5 liters of displacement or more. Sometimes double that.
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Originally Posted by rotorsownyou7
Why do you keep saying Supra's can't drag or don't?
Ryan Woon-8.99 on 6-speed. No lag there? What No nitrous? How many V8's are doing that?
Paul Efantis- Not sure, but better than Woon's time though, 6-speed.
Marko-8.45 on street boost. Damn so much lag and only good on the highway huh!
Ryan Woon-8.99 on 6-speed. No lag there? What No nitrous? How many V8's are doing that?
Paul Efantis- Not sure, but better than Woon's time though, 6-speed.
Marko-8.45 on street boost. Damn so much lag and only good on the highway huh!
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Originally Posted by rotorsownyou7
Supra 's are bad *** cars, and somewhat own America's racing scene in imports. All Domestis are the same and can all be made really fast. SO they are ALL average. None are above the others. And they only take 5 liters of displacement or more. Sometimes double that.
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Repost, repost, repost. In the end it's still a white trash pos that's worth $6500 w/mods.
Yeah listen to this guy, he can smoke litre bikes all day long
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Welcome to the rx7forum. I stopped trying to reason with the rotards a long time ago. Now I sit back and enjoy the idiocy with a huge grin on my face.
Seriously, I need a calculator to count the ******* retards on this forum. "LS1's are hillbilly motors!!!" "Nice redneck Mustang!!!" What a bunch of ******* *******. Honestly, do half of you know anything at all? Have you ever watched a show besides Initial D? Have you ever DRIVEN a car with a 500HP V8 in it? You'd soon change your stance on these "redneck" cars.
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Originally Posted by 2ndGen.rocket
Seriously, I need a calculator to count the ******* retards on this forum. "LS1's are hillbilly motors!!!" "Nice redneck Mustang!!!" What a bunch of ******* *******. Honestly, do half of you know anything at all? Have you ever watched a show besides Initial D? Have you ever DRIVEN a car with a 500HP V8 in it? You'd soon change your stance on these "redneck" cars.