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Old 07-08-03, 08:41 PM
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Unhappy Seatbelt/Harness Dilemma in SOLO II

What is the safest way to SECURELY strap yourself in a dailey Street driven car for SCCA Solo II?

I am not running a Cage, but my big-*** slides sooo easy in the stock seats and seatbelts. Any ideas???
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Old 07-08-03, 09:36 PM
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I added a Scroth 3 pont harness to my third gen and it helps alot - especially with the leather seats!

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Places also sell just a simple strap that goes around your mid section. It holds your upper body to the back of the seat so you can't move. But it is for autocross only! As in I woulndn't wear it on the street.
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Old 07-09-03, 12:45 AM
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I bought a chest-strap from www.racerwholesale.com. G-Force makes it. $16. It's not fantastic, but it works pretty well for auto-x and amazingly well for time trials/hot laps. It'll definitely keep you from sliding around. Although, with the position I drive in .... if I'm sliding around THAT much, it usually means I f**ked up bigtime.
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I have seen others who simply use the lap belts of a 4 point harness. They were bigger guys who didn't want to have the restriction of a the shoulder belts.

I could see this to some degree on very tight course with cars without P/S, but I like to be shackled in myself.
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Old 07-10-03, 08:10 PM
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OK, if the problem is sliding around in the seat (i.e. leather seats) , try this. Go to either Lowes, or Wal-mart or something like that, and find some of that perforated foam rubber you'd but under a area rug. It looks like a doily on your grandma's table. Comes in a variety of colors, usually on a roll about 18" wide or so. Cut a slab of that long enough to cover the center bolster of your seat and voila, no more big-*** sliding around. Takes a bit more schooching around to get seated properly, and it sounds stupid, but I promise it works. Or you can get a real live 3" harness, and fab up a very secure mount in the hatch area. Best bet is to get the roll bar/cage you want and have it made with a harness bar. Stiffer chassis and no sliding around, period. Come see me at the auto-x on the 19th. I'm planning on being there with the FD, so you can check out my set-up then if you'd like. My roll bar isn't real obtrusive (except for the passenger side) and hopefully will never be tested.
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In my Integra, I bought a used 5 pt. of which I used 4 pts. The eye bolts installed such that I could still use the factory belts with no problems (which I did for the street). I was autocrossing on street tires, and had fresh koni sports, and body roll was not a big thing, so I thought rollover was very unlikely for that car. Body roll on the worn-out suspension of my RX-7 is considerably more noticeable, so I feel it's a bit more sketchy to strap myself upright in that car yet, even just for autocrosses..
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Old 07-30-03, 09:03 AM
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4 point works well

I've used a 4 point harness for years now with good results. Prior to that I was really getting tossed around on my leather seats using the stock 3 point seat belt.

I had to get a 2nd belt for the track (instructor needs one too) so I'm selling my old 4 point belt, which is really in my view only suited for autocrossing. Here is the forum classified link if you or anyone is interested: https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=210083
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I have the G-Force chest strap previously mentioned and it's helped me a lot. I actually went to the Discovery Motorsports trailer that makes it to some of our events and bought it between runs 2 & 3 one day. Can't say if Iwas faster though
Another thing you can try is the little seatbelt clips that come with child car-seats. They clip the seatbelt together so the buckle won't slide anymore. this way you can set your stock belts to be tight as you like and they won't loosen-up while you run. Pop it off at the end of the day and toss it in the elbow rest until the next event.
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Old 07-30-03, 12:57 PM
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i bought the rotaryextreme harness bar and i use the sparco 4 pt snap in harness. with the snap in harness you could just leave the eyelet bolts in place and take out the harness until the next time you need em. then just snap them back into place when you go the track again.... this seems like it would work for your problem....its not perminant at all and you get the support you need when you need it.
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without a roll bar you should never use a 5 point belt system and you should never under any circumstance use a 4 point harness(usually deleting the sub belt). without the roll over protection your head and neck are now the roll over protection for a nearly 3000# car. yes, it is not common to roll a car at autocrosses but it does happen(check with some of the regulars they can give you some details)and yes the roof can and will collapse. as for 4 point belts this is just plain dangerous and if you were involved in any type of head on collision you would be injured badly from sliding under the lap belt. many people have been seriously injured and even killed when the sub belt either failed or was not used. if you are unwilling or unable to add these simple safety items to your car than use the OEM safety systems as they were designed(they have been crash tested and do work well). try some of the other ideas people have given, but don't think that since you are in a open parking lot that nothing bad can happen to you. recently I saw a guy had gone off cource on an autox and hit a tree and was killed. be prepared and careful
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i'm amazed that you can still buy 4 point harness systems....they are soooo dangerous.....
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yep, 5pt or above only with a roll cage. but with the roll cage, you also need a helmet.
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If you are looking for something simple and inexpensive, this works very nicely.

Go to an auto parts store and purchase a lap belt that will fit the existing female part of the belt in your car. Take the male section, and bolt it to the same place that secures your current belt. Keep the current belt bolted ther too. When you go to the race, just use the lap belt. When you are done, just roll it down to where it is bolted.

Simple, cheap and effective. You don't really need a shoulder harness for solo2.
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