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Crispy,
The majority of the leak was coming from the oil filler neck O ring but the pan has a small leak as well. I've definitely had to tighten the A N fittings before but that wasn't the case this time. It's a moot point anyway because the engine blew AGAIN. I really think both engines sucked from the get go. Vacuum was always terrible even when idling at 1200. Started at 11 and went down instead of up. Probably was at about 9 when she died and I was running 9lbs of boost. Never ran higher than 11lbs and it was running extremely rich. I'm so pissed I'm just going to part the BITCH out. I do have something up the old sleeve though
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The majority of the leak was coming from the oil filler neck O ring but the pan has a small leak as well. I've definitely had to tighten the A N fittings before but that wasn't the case this time. It's a moot point anyway because the engine blew AGAIN. I really think both engines sucked from the get go. Vacuum was always terrible even when idling at 1200. Started at 11 and went down instead of up. Probably was at about 9 when she died and I was running 9lbs of boost. Never ran higher than 11lbs and it was running extremely rich. I'm so pissed I'm just going to part the BITCH out. I do have something up the old sleeve though
Fritz
07-20-04, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by damian
dam fritz...that sucks that it blew :-(
who did the engine?
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I'll get back to you on the rear rotors
who did the engine?
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I'll get back to you on the rear rotors
I'd rather not say because I have a great relationship with them and my feeling is **** happens. I think the rotors may be sold but if it doesn't go through I'll let you know.
Thanks,
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07-21-04, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
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I've still gotta give Bret a 3rd try at my oilpan.. this time w/ a new pan & brace. This better do the trick. You're going to part the blue car now? Did you ever unload those Tiens?
I've still gotta give Bret a 3rd try at my oilpan.. this time w/ a new pan & brace. This better do the trick. You're going to part the blue car now? Did you ever unload those Tiens?
The brace looks like a good idea so hopefully that will do the trick. I'm having him install one on the cym and he should have plenty of practice by then
I've been told the key is in the cleaning and then waiting 3 or more days for the stuff to dry. Good luck to both of us 
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Originally Posted by CrispyRX7
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Damn Yo!...Another one? I m sorry to hear about the car. This was the blue car or Waels "Old Yeller"?
PM'd you BTW
Crispy
Damn Yo!...Another one? I m sorry to hear about the car. This was the blue car or Waels "Old Yeller"?
PM'd you BTW
Crispy
I'll use the core for a reman and just have Bret hold onto to it until I blow the next one. If everything goes well I shouldn't need another one for 2 or 3 months
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Oil leak help
Just got off the track at Sebring............and since you guys are talking oil leak I NEED HELP!!!
I've got some type of leak occuring on my FD, especially when tracking it. After a session I've got quite a bit of smoke coming from under my hood, and the entire area on the passenger side is an oily mess. In other words, the entire area in the neighborhood of the oil filter, and obviously the oil is all over the hot engine causing the smoke. After the car sits for a bit I'd easily say there's 5 tablespoons or so collected under the car.
There was a guy there that is a rotary mechanic and he took one look and said, "Yep, I've seen that a lot". It's caused by the oil sloshing around and it's coming out the overflow tubes in the filler neck area. I really can't figure where those tubes are (can't see 'em) and if that even makes sense. He said, "After your car gets about 3/4 of a quart low it'll stop." Well, it pretty much did. But then as I was leaving today I added about 2/3 of a quart to make the drive home, which was about 1 1/2 hours and just typical highway stuff; no high g turns, and when I got home I once again had some smoke from under the hood. It's almost like I've got some back pressure forcing oil up and out somewhere relatively high on the engine for it to be all over that area around the oil filter, including slightly higher than the filter itself.
Thanks in advance.
David
I've got some type of leak occuring on my FD, especially when tracking it. After a session I've got quite a bit of smoke coming from under my hood, and the entire area on the passenger side is an oily mess. In other words, the entire area in the neighborhood of the oil filter, and obviously the oil is all over the hot engine causing the smoke. After the car sits for a bit I'd easily say there's 5 tablespoons or so collected under the car.
There was a guy there that is a rotary mechanic and he took one look and said, "Yep, I've seen that a lot". It's caused by the oil sloshing around and it's coming out the overflow tubes in the filler neck area. I really can't figure where those tubes are (can't see 'em) and if that even makes sense. He said, "After your car gets about 3/4 of a quart low it'll stop." Well, it pretty much did. But then as I was leaving today I added about 2/3 of a quart to make the drive home, which was about 1 1/2 hours and just typical highway stuff; no high g turns, and when I got home I once again had some smoke from under the hood. It's almost like I've got some back pressure forcing oil up and out somewhere relatively high on the engine for it to be all over that area around the oil filter, including slightly higher than the filter itself.
Thanks in advance.
David
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Hey Fritz:
By the way, it looks like we're running VIR in December, I hope.
The group I run with, www.chinmotorsports.com , has evidently booked the track. I spoke with Dr. Chin today and yep we're running the long course. Hook up with us if you want to.
David.
By the way, it looks like we're running VIR in December, I hope.
The group I run with, www.chinmotorsports.com , has evidently booked the track. I spoke with Dr. Chin today and yep we're running the long course. Hook up with us if you want to.
David.
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David,
Visit: http://reganrotaryracing.tripod.com/catch.htm
You are not alone with this problem if you still have the twins.
Ramon
Visit: http://reganrotaryracing.tripod.com/catch.htm
You are not alone with this problem if you still have the twins.
Ramon
08-02-04, 07:48 AM
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David,
First off get another mechanic - there are no "overflow tubes" on an FD. The oil pan evaporative/PCV system is a completely closed system. There are no tubes/nipples on the oil filler neck that vet to atmosphere. As for your significant oil leak...could be from a few sources. But the first thing woudl be to thoroughly clean oily mess from the car with some good degreaser. Easier to see where the leak is coming from
Some places to look:
The oil filer itself - have you blown the rubber oil filter gasket out or is the oil filter not seated properly.
The oil cooler line that bolts to the oil filter tower just below the oil filter might be loose leaking
Check the oil filler neck junction. The filler neck comes in two pieces - upper half and lower half. At the connection, held together by only two 12mm bolts btw, is a rubber Oring that runs the curcumference. Its very easy for this O ring to be damaged or the oil filler neck flange mating surfaces to get damaged/bent/cracked/whatever leading to serious oil spillage.
The PCV vacuum hoses that "T" off the upper portion of the oil filler neck may have worked loose or be split. Check those also.
Those are the biggies. And since you leak occurs under normal highway cruising I'd suspect the two former since the oil filler neck leak or vacuum hose leaks would only occur under some spirited driving. As for oil found higher that the oil filter itself...oil under pressure will spray everywhere and given the airflow under the hood oil mist/spray will go many places.
HTH
Crispy
First off get another mechanic - there are no "overflow tubes" on an FD. The oil pan evaporative/PCV system is a completely closed system. There are no tubes/nipples on the oil filler neck that vet to atmosphere. As for your significant oil leak...could be from a few sources. But the first thing woudl be to thoroughly clean oily mess from the car with some good degreaser. Easier to see where the leak is coming from
Some places to look:
The oil filer itself - have you blown the rubber oil filter gasket out or is the oil filter not seated properly.
The oil cooler line that bolts to the oil filter tower just below the oil filter might be loose leaking
Check the oil filler neck junction. The filler neck comes in two pieces - upper half and lower half. At the connection, held together by only two 12mm bolts btw, is a rubber Oring that runs the curcumference. Its very easy for this O ring to be damaged or the oil filler neck flange mating surfaces to get damaged/bent/cracked/whatever leading to serious oil spillage.
The PCV vacuum hoses that "T" off the upper portion of the oil filler neck may have worked loose or be split. Check those also.
Those are the biggies. And since you leak occurs under normal highway cruising I'd suspect the two former since the oil filler neck leak or vacuum hose leaks would only occur under some spirited driving. As for oil found higher that the oil filter itself...oil under pressure will spray everywhere and given the airflow under the hood oil mist/spray will go many places.
HTH
Crispy
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Thanks Ramon for the link....................
I found that last night when searching under "oil catch can" as Carl Byck suggested. It DOES seem that this is a very widespread problem...........I'm amazed I haven't run into it before.
I also just realized that I DID take a high speed right hand on ramp on my drive home, and ironically everyone is saying that it's the right handers that cause the problem.
Looks like an oil catch can has to be in my very near future.
Thanks again.
David
I found that last night when searching under "oil catch can" as Carl Byck suggested. It DOES seem that this is a very widespread problem...........I'm amazed I haven't run into it before.
I also just realized that I DID take a high speed right hand on ramp on my drive home, and ironically everyone is saying that it's the right handers that cause the problem.
Looks like an oil catch can has to be in my very near future.
Thanks again.
David
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Thanks Crispy............from what I've read it seems as though the oil catch can is the fix.
The order of events is pretty much like this:
1. Engine rebuild, followed by normal driving..........no leaks, no smoke.
2. Track event in April............lots of smoke, lots of oil on the drivers side.
3. Degrease...........normal driving..............no problems.
4. Track event Saturday........with oil "full" on dipstick................lots of smoke and oil.......................degrease/ run car at "bottom" of dipstick on track..............no smoke or oil...................
5. Add 2/3 of quart of oil................take one high G righthander on drive home...............smoke and oil...................
Seems like it's adding up to what everyones saying.................take an FD with oil level pretty full and add road racing = oil leak and spray around drivers side of engine bay..............
Makes sense?
David
The order of events is pretty much like this:
1. Engine rebuild, followed by normal driving..........no leaks, no smoke.
2. Track event in April............lots of smoke, lots of oil on the drivers side.
3. Degrease...........normal driving..............no problems.
4. Track event Saturday........with oil "full" on dipstick................lots of smoke and oil.......................degrease/ run car at "bottom" of dipstick on track..............no smoke or oil...................
5. Add 2/3 of quart of oil................take one high G righthander on drive home...............smoke and oil...................
Seems like it's adding up to what everyones saying.................take an FD with oil level pretty full and add road racing = oil leak and spray around drivers side of engine bay..............
Makes sense?
David
08-02-04, 11:13 AM
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David,
Partially true. Granted it is advisable to run the oil level pretty far down on the dipstick when track driving or spirited street driving but even if left at the full mark the only place oil should go is into the intake if everything is buttoned up tight. The PCV system is a closed system. And since you have a visible **EXTERNAL** oil leak your car is NOT right. You have a leak somewhere you need to find...adding an oil catch can will NOT fix the leak.
As for single turbo cars not haivng this problem....well not really, I know of some single-T's that do have issues...just like those of us still running twins.
And some twins that don't have issues.
FWIW
Crispy
Partially true. Granted it is advisable to run the oil level pretty far down on the dipstick when track driving or spirited street driving but even if left at the full mark the only place oil should go is into the intake if everything is buttoned up tight. The PCV system is a closed system. And since you have a visible **EXTERNAL** oil leak your car is NOT right. You have a leak somewhere you need to find...adding an oil catch can will NOT fix the leak.
As for single turbo cars not haivng this problem....well not really, I know of some single-T's that do have issues...just like those of us still running twins.
And some twins that don't have issues.
FWIW
Crispy
08-02-04, 12:38 PM
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My track car has an oil catch can and single turbo and if i run high on teh oil dipstick i get a lot of oil all over the driver side bottom. I definetly think its a seal somwhere like the filler neck seal. If I run lower on teh dipstick I get much less spray in there, and i have to admit sometimes it because i forget to empty the catch can and it fills up, then it sprays all over :-)
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Originally Posted by MrZUMZUM
Just got off the track at Sebring............and since you guys are talking oil leak I NEED HELP!!!
I've got some type of leak occuring on my FD, especially when tracking it. After a session I've got quite a bit of smoke coming from under my hood, and the entire area on the passenger side is an oily mess. In other words, the entire area in the neighborhood of the oil filter, and obviously the oil is all over the hot engine causing the smoke. After the car sits for a bit I'd easily say there's 5 tablespoons or so collected under the car.
There was a guy there that is a rotary mechanic and he took one look and said, "Yep, I've seen that a lot". It's caused by the oil sloshing around and it's coming out the overflow tubes in the filler neck area. I really can't figure where those tubes are (can't see 'em) and if that even makes sense. He said, "After your car gets about 3/4 of a quart low it'll stop." Well, it pretty much did. But then as I was leaving today I added about 2/3 of a quart to make the drive home, which was about 1 1/2 hours and just typical highway stuff; no high g turns, and when I got home I once again had some smoke from under the hood. It's almost like I've got some back pressure forcing oil up and out somewhere relatively high on the engine for it to be all over that area around the oil filter, including slightly higher than the filter itself.
Thanks in advance.
David
I've got some type of leak occuring on my FD, especially when tracking it. After a session I've got quite a bit of smoke coming from under my hood, and the entire area on the passenger side is an oily mess. In other words, the entire area in the neighborhood of the oil filter, and obviously the oil is all over the hot engine causing the smoke. After the car sits for a bit I'd easily say there's 5 tablespoons or so collected under the car.
There was a guy there that is a rotary mechanic and he took one look and said, "Yep, I've seen that a lot". It's caused by the oil sloshing around and it's coming out the overflow tubes in the filler neck area. I really can't figure where those tubes are (can't see 'em) and if that even makes sense. He said, "After your car gets about 3/4 of a quart low it'll stop." Well, it pretty much did. But then as I was leaving today I added about 2/3 of a quart to make the drive home, which was about 1 1/2 hours and just typical highway stuff; no high g turns, and when I got home I once again had some smoke from under the hood. It's almost like I've got some back pressure forcing oil up and out somewhere relatively high on the engine for it to be all over that area around the oil filter, including slightly higher than the filter itself.
Thanks in advance.
David
08-02-04, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CrispyRX7
David,
Partially true. Granted it is advisable to run the oil level pretty far down on the dipstick when track driving or spirited street driving but even if left at the full mark the only place oil should go is into the intake if everything is buttoned up tight. The PCV system is a closed system. And since you have a visible **EXTERNAL** oil leak your car is NOT right. You have a leak somewhere you need to find...adding an oil catch can will NOT fix the leak.
As for single turbo cars not haivng this problem....well not really, I know of some single-T's that do have issues...just like those of us still running twins.
And some twins that don't have issues.
FWIW
Crispy
Partially true. Granted it is advisable to run the oil level pretty far down on the dipstick when track driving or spirited street driving but even if left at the full mark the only place oil should go is into the intake if everything is buttoned up tight. The PCV system is a closed system. And since you have a visible **EXTERNAL** oil leak your car is NOT right. You have a leak somewhere you need to find...adding an oil catch can will NOT fix the leak.
As for single turbo cars not haivng this problem....well not really, I know of some single-T's that do have issues...just like those of us still running twins.
And some twins that don't have issues.
FWIW
Crispy
Looks like your already getting some good advice
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
A friend of mine (very cool forum member and customer)hooked me up with some bandwidth so I now have some decent video
Go to: http://speedwurks.com/fritz
It takes a long time to down load so have patience. I'll continue to add fast laps (for me anyway) and mistakes and or accidents from me or others to keep it interesting
The video thats currently on there now is my fastest recorded lap on the VIR full course. Its about 2:13 starting from the bridge after I pass the Porsche.
If you take the time to check it out please give me your feedback both positive and negative.
Thanks,
Fritz
Go to: http://speedwurks.com/fritz
It takes a long time to down load so have patience. I'll continue to add fast laps (for me anyway) and mistakes and or accidents from me or others to keep it interesting
The video thats currently on there now is my fastest recorded lap on the VIR full course. Its about 2:13 starting from the bridge after I pass the Porsche.
If you take the time to check it out please give me your feedback both positive and negative.
Thanks,
Fritz
j/k Looking great out there!
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08-04-04, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by blackbirdzach
Man, what a bunch of ********....giving you the finger everytime you passed them.
j/k Looking great out there!
BBZ
j/k Looking great out there!
BBZ
I recieved a record number of fingers this past weekend while driving the Killer Bee that formerly belonged to Brad Barber and I never even let it off the leash.
OK fella's here's the report. Basically as advertised. Great power (engine is really strong at 10 or 11lbs of boost I could easily take her to 150 on the front straight and was tracking out at over 100 in turn 17 without over driving), great brakes (extremely stiff pedal which makes for great feel esp when left foot braking which I did everywhere unless I needed to downshift), great temps (90 degree's and above ambient and never saw oil or water temps above 200), great feel (everything is nice and tight), great handling (she goes where ever you tell her) etc....Ran into a couple of problems that should be easy fixes and I'm going to raise it up a bit and take the front lip off. To me it's just not practical and with 40 or so people on the track you do need to take detours plus it's a real bitch to load on the trailer LOL
Can't wait to get it back out and will hopefully get some videos. Again no video because I sold my roll bar from the blue car and left the camera mount on it. I would of had some great footage too because NASA allows for lot's of passing
I had a couple of friends time me and one guy got a 1:45 and the other a 1:44 but I never had any clean laps. In 90 degree weather I think she could of pulled some low 1:40s if its cool out I'll probably wet my paints driving this thing
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Hey Fritz:
I checked the website for ChinMotorsports, and the event up there at VIR is 12/11 and 12/12. It's probably a 12 hour drive for us from Tampa, but I'm sure well worth it. I've been watching your videos so I can "memorize" the track before I get there hopefully. If you're gonna be around maybe you can go out with me and show me the line. I don't know what group you normally run with and what they charge, but the Chin deal is pretty sweet. For both days of driving, it'll be $450, but the great thing is that his group allows for about 6 hours plus of track time per day, which I've never seen in any other group. When I've looked at the NASA sites and many others, it seems like out of an entire day you see about 2 hours or so.
Anyway, hope to meet you when we're up there. I'm coming up with my buddy with his 911 and another with his M3. The guy with the 911 has a brand new 40' RV that he pulls his race car trailer with so we'll be staying over in his RV. Does VIR have a spot for overnighting in an RV?
Can't freakin wait!!!!
David
I checked the website for ChinMotorsports, and the event up there at VIR is 12/11 and 12/12. It's probably a 12 hour drive for us from Tampa, but I'm sure well worth it. I've been watching your videos so I can "memorize" the track before I get there hopefully. If you're gonna be around maybe you can go out with me and show me the line. I don't know what group you normally run with and what they charge, but the Chin deal is pretty sweet. For both days of driving, it'll be $450, but the great thing is that his group allows for about 6 hours plus of track time per day, which I've never seen in any other group. When I've looked at the NASA sites and many others, it seems like out of an entire day you see about 2 hours or so.
Anyway, hope to meet you when we're up there. I'm coming up with my buddy with his 911 and another with his M3. The guy with the 911 has a brand new 40' RV that he pulls his race car trailer with so we'll be staying over in his RV. Does VIR have a spot for overnighting in an RV?
Can't freakin wait!!!!
David
08-04-04, 09:26 PM
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David,
I'll try to make it but I'm going to a couple of my regular events right around that same time. One with the Audi club I instruct for and one with G&W motorsports which is my favorite event because of all the race cars that attend. ChinMotorsports sounds like a great group to drive with. Is passing allowed everywhere?
Fritz
I'll try to make it but I'm going to a couple of my regular events right around that same time. One with the Audi club I instruct for and one with G&W motorsports which is my favorite event because of all the race cars that attend. ChinMotorsports sounds like a great group to drive with. Is passing allowed everywhere?
Fritz
Originally Posted by MrZUMZUM
Hey Fritz:
I checked the website for ChinMotorsports, and the event up there at VIR is 12/11 and 12/12. It's probably a 12 hour drive for us from Tampa, but I'm sure well worth it. I've been watching your videos so I can "memorize" the track before I get there hopefully. If you're gonna be around maybe you can go out with me and show me the line. I don't know what group you normally run with and what they charge, but the Chin deal is pretty sweet. For both days of driving, it'll be $450, but the great thing is that his group allows for about 6 hours plus of track time per day, which I've never seen in any other group. When I've looked at the NASA sites and many others, it seems like out of an entire day you see about 2 hours or so.
Anyway, hope to meet you when we're up there. I'm coming up with my buddy with his 911 and another with his M3. The guy with the 911 has a brand new 40' RV that he pulls his race car trailer with so we'll be staying over in his RV. Does VIR have a spot for overnighting in an RV?
Can't freakin wait!!!!
David
I checked the website for ChinMotorsports, and the event up there at VIR is 12/11 and 12/12. It's probably a 12 hour drive for us from Tampa, but I'm sure well worth it. I've been watching your videos so I can "memorize" the track before I get there hopefully. If you're gonna be around maybe you can go out with me and show me the line. I don't know what group you normally run with and what they charge, but the Chin deal is pretty sweet. For both days of driving, it'll be $450, but the great thing is that his group allows for about 6 hours plus of track time per day, which I've never seen in any other group. When I've looked at the NASA sites and many others, it seems like out of an entire day you see about 2 hours or so.
Anyway, hope to meet you when we're up there. I'm coming up with my buddy with his 911 and another with his M3. The guy with the 911 has a brand new 40' RV that he pulls his race car trailer with so we'll be staying over in his RV. Does VIR have a spot for overnighting in an RV?
Can't freakin wait!!!!
David