SevenHeaven

Sorry man but you are mistaken, I'm into Mustangs as well as 7's (I own a 2003 Cobra) and I worked for Ford for a few years.

SN95 are 1994-2004 Mustang's. The cars were restyled for 1999 MY with the "new edge" look, but the platform and all the hard points remain identical.

SN95's are based on the Fox body platform (1979-1993 Mustangs, and just about every mid-sized RWD Ford from the 80's). The Fox body was modified and improved enough to warrant an new platform designation (SN95). Fox bodies and SN95's do have a certain amount of parts interchangeability.

2005+ Mustangs are S-197 based cars and share their platform with 2002+T-Bird, Lincolin LS and Jaguar S-Type.

pinknuggit

oh, so huge turbos magically have no lag on 20B's, and they make more torque than large displacement v8's?

GoodfellaFD3S

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Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification .

VincenzoL

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So damn true! Funny how the V8 hybrid owners are always trying to convert everyone. Who cares, we already know... you took the easy way out.

Pat McGroin

Like the rotary community doesn't have any ******??? There are ****** in every car community, get over it.

umi415

hahahahahha lol!

GoodfellaFD3S

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I won't argue that point

Merc63

Actually, we aren't trying to convert everyone, and never have. You're just as mistaken about that as everything else in your closed minded little life.

In general, the comment made by V8 RX7 owners are in response to rotards being the immature, insulting ****** they always tend to be. (mind you rotards doesn't mean someone who likes or owns a rotary car, merely the closed minded, insulting kiddies that make retarded comments aboutthe soul of the car, incorrect statments about weight differnces, etc. Most RX7 and rotary car owners are cool).


Actually, that's not necessarily true. We simpy went down a different path than you. But why is it so important to you to be such an immature asshat towards people who change their OWN cars? Hmmm?

BichizleMyNizle

a v6 reliable commuter has just turned into a 30k mile timed grenade... pfft

slo

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30K miles would be a hell of a lot of quarter mile runs and car show apearances. The purpose was obviously not to make it a better commuter car.

pinknuggit

so no one has responded to my questions about the Magic 20B that spools huge turbos like they were 14B's, and makes more torque than a large dispalcement v8 yet.

TOUGHGUY

That's a cool swap! Very clean. Kudos.

But for the guys who are screaming payback.... payback for what? Funny how every rotard is so self centered to think that we swap V8s into RX7s to attack them personally.

I want to drop a Chevy LS1 into an FD shell so I should be somehow enraged that someone put a Cosmos engine into a Ford vehicle? The rotard logic boggles the mind!


Sean

EJayCe996

Enough of the "my e-***** is bigger than yours" stuff already. In relation to the 13b, the 20b DOES make more torque. I believe someone already listed a dyno, although on stock turbos, that a 20b made ~350hp and ~425ft.lbs. of torque.... a LOT more than what a 13b could ever do. Once again you're trying to compare the torque of a 2L motor to a 5.7L that don't even have the same internal layout. Did you expect them to be the same? Some of you guys, on both sides of the engine fence, get so butt-hurt over someone poking fun at you and just can't get over it and become as immature as the people you said were immature. ITS A CAR, not your mother, not your father, not your sister, not your uncle, etc. Someone downtalks your car, your car won't cry, your car wont quit being a car...... Just smile and walk away or just run them (legally) so you can say "well my car must not be one of those POSs you were talking of, because it beat yours and didn't blow up or anything." And be done with it.

Brismo7

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actaully a 20b is closer to 6 liters. so were comparing our 5.7's to your 6.0's, were still not impressed. :p


~Steve

DCrosby

I'd be curious on how much that "Vengance" swap cost, since I was always under the impression that the cost of a 20B + Subframe and custum **** to make it work on an FD was 30K... or a bit more or less depending on if you do **** yourself or not...

I'm impressed with the swap, I'm utterly disgusted with the fact that the reason you did this is to start a pissing contest.... You should have just left it at, "I did it because it was my car and I wanted too" (Good enough for me)

Pat McGroin

He should definitely get some hell for that spoiler, are those M3 mirrors...ewwwwwwww.

SmogSUX

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Wow...I saw that video of the 20B 350Z and now this....that's freakin awesome! I like seeing random *** engine swaps on cars...I think you're the first to put the 20B into a Mustang nice My goal once I've got a career and everything is to put a 20B into an AC Shelby Cobra. I think that'd be pretty damn fun and when I go to Hot August nights and pop my hood all the guys there would be like haha very interesting indeed

payne

I'll agreee that a properly sorted 20B will roll a completely stock C6 zOH, but thats comparing juiced barry bonds to alcoholic Babe Ruth...

So conventional wisdom is $30k for a 20B, to make what? 750rwhp, 550rwtq ish? In road race trim?

For $30k you can go to a TT LS7, with only a turbo cam internal, and make 750rwhp, 800ish rwtq. Then the z06 will run a 325 rear tire, vs your 285, then you throw in the 6 piston 14" z06 rotors and realize you are going to need a widebody and bbk to run with the z06.

I owned and raced a 360rwph FD and now have a 489rwhp z06, so i can talk about both pretty damn well.

sexycheerleader

the funny thing about all this is everybody is arguing which is better a 20b are a 4.6l when each has it's advantages and disadvantages. each one is fun just in a diffrent way. in my opnioon the 20b is and upgrade from the stock 4.6 but the only way to tell is to race them and until the owner is willing to do so then we will not know.

As for the v8's in second gen' sthat is a down grade I know becouse while at a rotary meet in Indiana a few years ago to pro drivers borrowed car one being a 10th an with a microtech and a t3/4 hybrid and raced it against a ls1 S5 in the autocross and on the track. both had similar suspension set ups and the 10th an won. It is my personal opnion that a rotary motor allows for better weight displacment than a v8.

there is my opnion now go ahead and argue

Pat McGroin

Yep, that is the best part of doing engine swaps. The reactions. It never gets old. Just showing my friends the ls1 in my s5, which I haven't seen in a while, and they're just like, WHAT THE HELL HOW DID YOU MAKE IT FIT!?!?

Heck I wouldn't mind seeing a 20b AC cobra.

Now for sexy cheerleader, you might want to review last year's 2005 grassroots motorsports challenge. Your opinion = not fact. A pro driver could whoop most anyone no matter what car, even worst on somewhat equally modded cars.

TOUGHGUY

What language was that? I-dropped-out-of-schoolish? Wikipedia says Vista has a highly rated school system. Maybe you should have stayed in one!


Sean

pinknuggit

I agree that the 20B is torquier compared to a 2 rotor, but that's not what we're comparing here. Someone made the blanket statement that a single turbo 20B corvette would own a C6 z06 (LS7) corvette, yet no one has even followed up on that yet.

slo

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The actual displacement is close to 2.0. Many people double it for the purpose of comparison to 4 stroke piston engines and call it 3.9. How the hell do you get 6.0.

2wankel

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A V-8 has the advantage and will always have the advantage.



Piston Engine

• 121 years of engine development
• A piston engine requires 720º of crankshaft rotation to complete a cycle. (2 complete revolutions of the crankshaft).
• More Torque
• More Displacement

Rotary Engine

• 49 years of engine development
• It takes a rotary engine 1080º of crankshaft rotation to complete a cycle. (3 crankshaft rotations per cycle).
• Less torque
• Less displacement

So V-8’s are expected to win against a rotary, yes indeed. Yet, we drag our rotary powered vehicles as an underdog and somehow we manage to win. When a V-8 races, competes, etc. against a rotary. People expect to see it blow a Japanese car with a crappy engine away. I guess that is satisfying, hell V-8 dude knew he was going to win anyways. But what is truly satisfying is being the underdog, using a unique engine and watching the V-8’s guys get pissed off and wondering what the heck is under the hood and when you say it’s a rotary engine. You get that classic look of confusion. That is most satisfying.


I’d rather be on the “your not going to win side” and “win” than be on the “dude, it’s a Japanese car with a P.O.S engine” and “lose.”



Why I like the rotary? Because it is a unique, reliable, and simple engine; it has a heart that only a rotary enthusiast can understand. That melody that keeps getting louder as it reaches 9,000rpm’s; it is a sound that truly is intoxicating. Screw displacement and screw torque. I’ll take my chances with a Rotary.

EJayCe996

Haha, I see you caught that too, after he goes and acts like he knows what he's talking about by tripling, instead of doubling, the claimed displacement to argue the technical displacement I wasn't even gonna bother with him anymore.