sean_fb331

Hey everyone, I just joined rx7club.com so as you may have noticed I havent gotten around to customizing my profile or adding pics of my fb. Since this is my first thread I thought I'd take a second to say "hey" to everyone.

Now, a bit more on topic, I was wondering if anyone out there had info about the hopfully soon to be released 4th gen rx-7. I've looked into it online with little results. I guess it can be said that mazda's good at keeping their secrets a secret. Here's what I do know as well as some of the speculation i've heard/read.

Here's some info I found in an old article on rotorynews.com:

In the "Sneak Peeks" section of the Detroit News Autos Insider, an "artist" has photochopped together what they believe to be the RX-7 Cabrio. They basically took an image from the first prototype RX-8, enlarged the grill and vents, modified the head lights, removed the top, and added new wheels.

""Mazda planners are still in heavy discussion regarding the return of the sporty RX7, but sources tell us if it is resurrected, the fourth generation RX7 will arrive as a two-door, two-seat version of the new RX8. Shown here are artist renderings of the RX7 Cabrio. But don't place your orders yet -- we don't believe this sporty two-seater will arrive before late in the 2006 model year, or possibly as a 2007 model."

We, at Rotarynews, were privy to a little more information. We were told the RX-7 prototype would not debut until the 2005 Tokyo Autoshow, as there are those within Mazda that feel the debut of a concept RX-7 would hurt sales of the RX-8, even though the RX-8 is supposed to be in a different "new" market segment. We could see some different concept Rotaries in Tokyo 2003, but the concepts would be the engines themselves, and probably put in the RX-8, as a Mazdaspeed model."



http://rotarynews.com/images/fullsize/200502_rx7.jpg

I was also in contact with a guy who used to race rx-7s who was in the area where mazda was testing the new 4th gen. He wasn't allowed to see it for himself but from the sound of it he thinks it might have been supercharges.
This raises the possiblity that the new 4th generation rx-7 will be equiped with a supercharged renisis engine (dude!).

Anyway there's all the info I have regarding it. Keep in mind that the pics shown are an artists rendition of what it may look like and isn't a picture of an acual 4th gen. Despite my best attempts I couldn't find one. If any of you has information or comments regarding the 4th gen please post them here.

Falcoms

Well, even though the topic of a 4th gen 7 has been beaten to death, this is the first time I've seen pictures associated with the info. Honestly, I think it looks alright. They need to bring back the pop-up headlights and loose the cup holders, though, for it to be a true 7 at heart...

Savanna RX-7 GT-X

Its that a Aprils Fools Day thing just posted late? The first images just looks like a RX-8 Concept with the top chopped, and the 2nd images is a RX-8 with the doors marks taken out for suicide style, headlights coverd, and I think those are the X-Men RX-8 Rims.

Edit:Just noticed he said it was a old Article.

BoostedRex

There was also rumors out of Mazda that the 4th Gen 7 would be sporting a 1.6L two rotor N/A that would produce 300bhp in stock form. That was released about 6 months ago, but we all know how those rumors end up being garbage. Just thought I would share the little bit of info that I have heard.

Zach

cmjaure

I think mazda should just leave the rx7 as we all remember it and turn this (if produced) into the sec. gen rx-8. They should just keep the rx's going. Thats all that matters to me. After all with all the new R&D to rotary engines theres no telling where we will go in the future.

FD Seeker

I, like everyone on this board, would love to seen a next gen 7. In all likelihood, I would buy it. Of course, I'm assuming big power and great looks.

The bigger displacement n/a idea sounds real good to me - especially if it puts out 300 hp. Hopefully, as it is produced, it would be a solid/stable platform - and it should leave a lot of room for crazy aftermarket power.

Remember how you felt when you first saw the 3rd gen? I do, and I revered it as an exotic. Well, the next gen has an obligation to do the same. Sadly, I have to say that any mutation of the 8 would not cut it.

sean_fb331

Just to clearify things incase i wasn't specific enough, those pics were an artists rendition of what he (or they) thought it might look like. I don't know how much valitity there is in the design of the pics.
I do also agree that a two seater rx-8 wouldn't live up to the rx-7 name. It'll have to be a new design and if it's based on anything then it should be based on the other rx-7s.

I know this will probably never happen but anyone ever wonder what it'd look like if they made a retro designed to look alot like the first gen. I mean, i know that the 2nd and 3rd do resemble it in some ways but it'd be cool to see what they could come up with. Just thinking aloud...er um...in text...

oh and sorry if this topic has infact been beaten to death, I did a search and didn't come up with a whole lot, and i thought that if anyone had some info i'd be the rotor-heads on this forum.

BoostedRex

The increased displacement idea does make sense. That way they could keep the reliability of an N/A motor and still pull the horsepower numbers that the car would need to be competitive with what else is offered on the market today. Just my .02 anyway.

Zach

sean_fb331

I disagree. I realize that It would suck if Mazda came out with, at the very least, a really ugly sports car and called it an Rx-7 but I kinda doubt that'll be the case. I mean look at the previous three Rx-7s they've produced.

As for it just being a 2nd gen Rx-8 I don't think that would be right either. Out of all the Rx's the Rx-7 was designed as The rotory sports car. Correct me if i'm wrong here but didn't most, if not all, of the Rx's before the 7 have piston counterparts? When Mazda created the Rx-7 they promissed to never equip it with pistons. The Rx-7 is a legend. Sure it's not as well known as a **** load of other cars but it was the car that saved the rotory engine and saved Mazda. It is because of this that the Rx-7 name can't be something that is just left in the past and forgotten.

Sorry if that was a little long winded but I tend to get carried away when talking about Rotorys. Lets see how many corrections I get about things I've said hahaha.

Other than that I just wanted to say, More info! Someone out there has to know something about the 4th gens. Post it!

rotarygod

iTrader: (1)

The first picture is of the prototype 3rd gen Miata that has now been shown to the public but not yet released for sale. The second picture was from the RX-8 forum about a year or so ago. There was a thread on there that asked what people thought a 4th gen RX-7 could like like if it was based off of an RX-8 but with 2 doors. That was one of the pictures that a forum member made. The 4th gen is still nothing more than rumors and wishes.

staticguitar313

iTrader: (2)

i kinda liek the way that 2 door rx8 styled one looks the vert is butt-ugly though

Tech_Greek

What strikes fear in piston owners...

RX7

I always get "don't those things run like 13's stock?" :P if he only knew my 5th & 6th ports aren't opening!

- Tech

staticguitar313

iTrader: (2)

LOL, get 'em working man or pull them out, oyu can have mine when i go turbo
- Jared

sean_fb331

Dave Morris writes in: "There's a new RX-7 on the way. Senior Mazda engineers revealed key details during animated after dinner conversation at the October long range preview of the RX-8 in Hiroshima. The blueprint for the car is complete and the new two seater will share major systems with the RX-8. But while the new RX-7 will utilise the same elegant double A-arms front and five link rear suspension as the RX-8, as well as it electrically assisted rack and pinion steering, it will have a more powerful rotary engine. Instead of turbocharging the RX-8's 184kw Renesis rotary, Mazda is developing its largest ever two rotor mill, the power target is atleast 206kw.

"Mazda has always increased rotor width (similar to increasing cylinder bor and stroke in a conventional piston engine) in 10mm steps. The 10A engine had 60mm wide rotors, the 12A went to 70mm and the 13B twin and 20B triple rotor were 80mm, so it's a pretty safe bet the new rotors will go to 90mm.


"Assume the RX-7's Renesis will breathe as efficiently and rev as hard as the RX-8 emgine, and a quick calculation shows the capacity increase should deliver about 206kw - bang on the number suggested by Mazda's excited engineers. Making two rotors 10mm wider makes the engine just 20mm longer. That won't bother Mazda's packaging engineers, who will repeat the "front midship" engine placement of the RX-8 in the new RX-7. While the RX-7 will sit on a shorter wheelbase of 2400mm or less, it's two seat format means accomadating a slightly longer rotary behind the front axle won't be a problem."

'85GSL-SE

iTrader: (2)

It is abit interesting looking. It reminds me alot of the S2 and S3 RX-7 (81-85) .
Just the way the body looks, it looks like the cabin is more towards the back like the first Gen.

Oh well, like others have posted before I think the legendary RX-7 ended with the 2002 RX-7 Spirit R, because Mazda said the wanted to go out with a bang and boy did they with the Spirit R .

But I personaly don't care to much for the RX-8 with the 4 seat and 4 door design. more of a sports coupe than sports car.

Oh well,

-Dan

Tenacious

They should stop the RX7 line as it is, ******* ford owns mazda now keep the RX7's to original mazda exclusively!

shm21284

Um, ford owned mazda when the 3rd gen came out. Ford saved Mazda's *** when it had poor sales in the mid 90s. Ford lets mazda run as mazda wants to, but mazda saves time and money by robbing the ford parts bin. This allows the mazda engineers to better spend their time on what really matters: chassis, engines, crash test safety, etc.

Drag'nGT

No turbo = no 7

shm21284

I think a 3 rotor NA would kick ***.....

APEXL8T

3 rotor turbo but ...............would it chase the new vette's styling? I mean since the F D came out and the vette looked like it years later.

shm21284

I think it will resemble an rx-8, being that it would be built off the same chassis and all. Just speculation....

sean_fb331

I'm going to give mazda the benifit of a doubt and say that they're not dumb enough to make it a mini rx-8.
Anyone who's talked to an rx-7 enthuseist knows better.
besides, from what i hear, the rx-8 chasis is highly adjustable. So just becuase it'll likely built on an rx-8 chasis doesn't necisarily mean it'll look anything like the rx-8.

DrunkenGimp

iTrader: (3)

Will someone find some hard facts already?? Sheesh its killing me... Here I am toiling with the idea of buying an FD and then mazda give half-assed news reports that say a new one is coming out!!! I want an FD, but I would hate to buy one then have mazda release a new, faster, more reliable version like a few months afterwards. Is it coming out or isnt it?

DevilGrabbit

I personally think we will not see the FE until around 2008. This would mark the glorious return of the RX-7 on its 30th birthday. I hope not but seeing how Mazda is this may very well be the case. My two cents on the motor. I really like the idea of a realiable 300hp rotary, but who is mazda intending this car to run with? The new mazda 6 will be pushing 274 hp with 280 ft-lbs of torque on an AWD setup meaning it will be able to beat the seven off the line, and with no turbo spooling in the upper RPM for the 1.6, the Mazda 6 could very well beat the new 7 on any given day. And there are horror reports of the new mark 5 supra pushing 500 hp!!! I really think mazda is going to have to supercharge or turbocharge their 1.6 for it to be a contender. Like I said just my two cents.

shm21284

the mazdaspeed 6 runs a 15.1 in the quarter... its a dog. It's heavy and probably has a peaky powerband.