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I don't think the competition is a drag race.
The competition will be tough since streetability, and all out HP numbers are key. This would be a pain in the ***, but has anyone suggested a huge streetport combined with a semi PP? There needs to be a way of getting good port volume but minimizing exhaust/intake overlap for good streetability (lower idle & slightly quieter).
I would say the rotary would take it if you were building race only motors. Getting the exhaust to flow sufficiently while not getting pulled over everyday will be the issue.
Good luck!
The competition will be tough since streetability, and all out HP numbers are key. This would be a pain in the ***, but has anyone suggested a huge streetport combined with a semi PP? There needs to be a way of getting good port volume but minimizing exhaust/intake overlap for good streetability (lower idle & slightly quieter).
I would say the rotary would take it if you were building race only motors. Getting the exhaust to flow sufficiently while not getting pulled over everyday will be the issue.
Good luck!
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the other car never made to the assembly line. the guy broke his ankle in a car accident. this happened about 3 months ago. so i slowed down and started a turbo build for the starlet.
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too bad, sucks to break your ankle
my recent experience with the K-honda engine was the 25 hours of thunderhill
ALL of the K motors failed, ALL of the backups failed, except the spoon car. this is something like 8 out of 9 engines failed.
the rotaries i think all finished
so does the K24 make BIG power? yes. can it make power for very long? no
my recent experience with the K-honda engine was the 25 hours of thunderhill
ALL of the K motors failed, ALL of the backups failed, except the spoon car. this is something like 8 out of 9 engines failed.
the rotaries i think all finished
so does the K24 make BIG power? yes. can it make power for very long? no
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As far as I no, john padilla rx7 made more hp in his allmotor rx7 than all the hondas including the k series. He was killing the Honda allmotor tuning class until they changed the rules. The 13b was the dominant engine in that class so I'm pretty sure the 13b has a good chance if done properly.
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As much as I like rotaries, that K20 would stomp the **** outa the 13b.
Just for the 13B to put out what a K20 does stock, the 13B would have to be ported so far it wouldn't be legal to drive on the road at idle, not to mention under some throttle...
You'd need a GOOD full bridge n/a 13B to match a stock block tuned K20 FYI. Start putting internals in the K20? Game over.
Just for the 13B to put out what a K20 does stock, the 13B would have to be ported so far it wouldn't be legal to drive on the road at idle, not to mention under some throttle...
You'd need a GOOD full bridge n/a 13B to match a stock block tuned K20 FYI. Start putting internals in the K20? Game over.
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D'oh! My bad. In that case yeah, you're probably stuck. The closest you would get probably is using Rx8 rotors, balancing everything perfectly and then running 12,000 rpms or so. You'd still be doing good to get to 250hp though.
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RX-8 rotors aren't all that they are cracked up to be.
A streetable bridge port shouldn't have trouble making 250hp... at the wheels. Plenty people make close to that at the crank with a street port. No crazy RPM necessary.
A streetable bridge port shouldn't have trouble making 250hp... at the wheels. Plenty people make close to that at the crank with a street port. No crazy RPM necessary.
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id agree with u on dyno numbers...b ut as far as 1/4 mile times i think the 13b could stomp it.. tkaes a **** ton to make a civic hook
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All motor 13B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHO1sTqPapE
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but it can be done with stock internals
Just for fun, what do you think, how much HP has above car?
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I'm having a hard time just trying to find out what timing I should start with for my VW/Audi product. If it was a rotary, and I asked, I'd get about 12 answers in two days and 11 of them would be the same.
And yeah... I could build a kickass rotary for less than a pair of camshafts for a K-series would cost. And Honda engines have VTEC so they idle smooth, very boring to drive in the city. Might as well be a Camry.
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I think many people ignore basic fundamentals when building wankel engines or any other ICE engine... I grow up on 2-strokes and learned one basic thing, one modification isn´t going to work well without many others....
I´m sure you have it very well covered, 100 MPH in 13B street port at given weight is much success. Its sad when people who invested a lot of money into their fully build N/A engines with very agressive porting struggles to run 100+ MPH in much lighter cars
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I'm having a hard time just trying to find out what timing I should start with for my VW/Audi product. If it was a rotary, and I asked, I'd get about 12 answers in two days and 11 of them would be the same.
And yeah... I could build a kickass rotary for less than a pair of camshafts for a K-series would cost. And Honda engines have VTEC so they idle smooth, very boring to drive in the city. Might as well be a Camry.
one of our race buddies has an immaculate TSX, and those cams are EXPENSIVE, and um might make the valves fall out of the head...
http://www.prima-racing.com/
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supras With 2jz they make high hp numbers but dont run hard at all intill like 650hp. k20s are overrated I been there done that build that 13b na dont put it in a Starlet put it in a 1st gen . give it a nice port job do little things here and there .do some rear end work to the 1st gen put some BFG G-Forces on it or some Nitto 555 if you have to run street tires you need to hook up nice that will be the key.hooking up change the gears in the back and you wil mop that Hondas *** all over the track . and thats a FACT ....
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usual ricer body kit and goya can muffler reving his 89hp engine at the stop light.
Long story short,i eat his *** for breakfast,and then begun my hitler like hatred of smug honda owners..
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