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Today's task has nothing to do with this picture, but a story I shall give you nonetheless. https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...2b&oe=5AF80B2F1) Reroute FPR/Fuel Damper 2) Start on -6AN and -8AN Hardlines throughout the engine bay 3) Install -8AN Return Line Fitting into IST, Clean Thoroughly and Install Fuel Tank 4) Mock Up Fuel Pumps and Filters 5) Measure Return Line Area for 13"x7"x5" Cooler 6) Mock Up Coolant Expansion Tank, Coolant Swirl Pot w/ Steam Ports, and Coolant Overflow 7+ Soooo much more, but let's not be too ambitious... |
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Starting to wrap up some finishing work with coolant, oil, and fuel lines on the V-Mount configured 1st Gen Rx7. Still a long way to go, but we'll get there eventually. https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...a1&oe=5A6D0621 https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...6f&oe=5AE3CF22 https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...e6&oe=5ADEDFAD https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...30&oe=5B263492 https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...c1&oe=5B2224C3 https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...12&oe=5AF14275 https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...13&oe=5AE501A3 |
Looking good! A/C too! I'm jealous lol
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Originally Posted by twinkletoes
(Post 12249109)
Looking good! A/C too! I'm jealous lol
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Critical Ignition Update using Pantera IGN-1A Smart Coils in Direct Fire Configuration Okay, so here's our calculation for Direct Fire: We have an ignition occurrence (per rotor) every 360 degrees of the eccentric shaft. 180 degrees for a Wasted Spark Configuration since it's being split 180/180 for Rotor 1 and Rotor 2. Total Combustion Event Duration @ 9000 RPM: 9000 Revolutions Per Minute / 60 Seconds Per Minute = 150 Revolutions Per Second -> 1 / 150 = 0.00666 Seconds -> 6.66ms Per Revolution (Total Combustion Event Duration) at 9000 RPM 10000 = 6ms 9000 = 6.66ms 8000 = 7.5ms 7000 = 8.57ms 6000 = 10ms 5000 = 12ms 4000 = 15ms 3000 = 20ms 2000 = 30ms 1000 = 60ms Now we need to identify Spark Duration (dissipation of charge energy) and any lag in the system. These IGN-1A Coils can do 250mJ @ 8ms Dwell Time, which WILL damage spark plugs. That's a ton of power. :lol: The reason I bring this up is due to some more exotic porting jobs and large overlap, I think a few cars are running into issues with the spark duration igniting the next homogeneous charge prematurely. |
so ryan, are we going to do a head to head comparo between builds?
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Originally Posted by Whizbang
(Post 12251046)
so ryan, are we going to do a head to head comparo between builds?
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Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12250055)
Critical Ignition Update using Pantera IGN-1A Smart Coils in Direct Fire Configuration Okay, so here's our calculation for Direct Fire: We have an ignition occurrence (per rotor) every 360 degrees of the eccentric shaft. 180 degrees for a Wasted Spark Configuration since it's being split 180/180 for Rotor 1 and Rotor 2. Total Combustion Event Duration @ 9000 RPM: 9000 Revolutions Per Minute / 60 Seconds Per Minute = 150 Revolutions Per Second -> 1 / 150 = 0.00666 Seconds -> 6.66ms Per Revolution (Total Combustion Event Duration) at 9000 RPM 10000 = 6ms 9000 = 6.66ms 8000 = 7.5ms 7000 = 8.57ms 6000 = 10ms 5000 = 12ms 4000 = 15ms 3000 = 20ms 2000 = 30ms 1000 = 60ms Now we need to identify Spark Duration (dissipation of charge energy) and any lag in the system. These IGN-1A Coils can do 250mJ @ 8ms Dwell Time, which WILL damage spark plugs. That's a ton of power. :lol: The reason I bring this up is due to some more exotic porting jobs and large overlap, I think a few cars are running into issues with the spark duration igniting the next homogeneous charge prematurely. Pantera EFI IGN-1A Coils Specifications:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f812c638d8.pngHyper-Aggressive Timing Map |
Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12251118)
Absolutely, Alex. Want to do it before the build is done on mine, or after when it's driving? YouTube collab type stuff?
we can do a good video comparison. very different build purpose and budget. But could be neat to see exactly how they stack up in a few ways. |
Some people build their dreams. I let my dreams build me. #BankruptingDreamsToLife #BankruptingMyDreamsToLife #Hustle #HustleHard #DreamsToReality #RGHTBrainDesignTuned #RGHTBrainDesign #Sn0Bx7 #SnoBx7 #Mazda #Mazdaspeed #Rx7 #Rotary #RotaryGang #13b #sa22 #sa22c #fb3s #fb https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...33fa19ba9f.png RGHTBrainDesign |
THAT looks NICE! A wolf in sheep's clothing!
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Originally Posted by woodmv
(Post 12255334)
THAT looks NICE! A wolf in sheep's clothing!
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I still recommend you ditch those MS02's and sell them to me ;)
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Originally Posted by Narfle
(Post 12255495)
I still recommend you ditch those MS02's and sell them to me ;)
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Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12255606)
I will for the right price. They are 17x8 both Front and Rear. Make an offer.
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Engineering Is One Thing, But Fabrication Is TOUGH Work I'm Going To Try A New Turbo Inlet Design Next Week Ordering Haltech Elite 2500 w/ I/O Box Next Month Here's Where We're At Now, Gents! https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...b30f37e319.png https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...e2f14429ae.png https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...85e82a78ec.png |
I've Come to Terms That I Will Never Change Don't mind me, just reverse engineering some US Govt. Equipment for #Sn0Bx7 https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...6cf2810972.png Everything is figured out including the relay pinouts. Now I just need to sit down and match OEM Circuit Loads to the available power and function I have for each Bussmann 31000 VEC circuit. Here's one of the cars that I've tuned this month: Ohh, and if that's not enough, I have something to show you all. Something I should keep secret. Something that fits as well to this car as the MS-02s... https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...44f90c7417.png https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...18af077a0a.png https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...69fcaf1c5b.png |
Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12249158)
Thank you, Kind Sir! I'll hit you up after the dyno session at UMS Tuning and we can rip some of your more local backroads together for a bit. ;)
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Originally Posted by twinkletoes
(Post 12268194)
Sounds like a plan! When you planning to get it on the Dyno? I'm sure I'll have to try and keep up with that setup lol 👍
Then we have a fuckload of Fabrication stuff to tackle on the Rx7 stuff still. MOST of the parts are here now though, so that's good. EMtron KV8 ECU + 3.25" CF Driveshaft are the last big items. Leaving the chassis harness alone until I get everything installed and tuned. Time to get this girl running. |
Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12133866)
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...6db397bc10.png
Tune is a long way from finished, but we're getting there! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J__QaozcvE |
Originally Posted by seanmcg
(Post 12273198)
nice numbers
-Ryan |
So, What's Up with the Rx7?! Don't worry, now that the daily driver is now RELIABLE again, I can get back on track and have this car running by the end of the year. I don't think I'll make SevenStock, but that is 100% the goal here. Hey, the car has 24k Views on Wheelwell.com, I'm getting back into shape, and my savings is recovering from the MASSIVE hit it took from the Integra going down (and me building it out like I had always dreamed). This isn't a Honda forum though, so I'll update you guys with what's in front of me. Throttle Mass Flow: Using AEM 5 Bar MAP Sensors before and after the GM LS3 DBW Throttle Body, I'm able to model the mass air flow at MUCH higher flow figures than a standard MAF setup, and it makes the transient fueling calculation incredibly accurate as a result. Links on More Information can be found here: JMEST Throttle Mass Flow Throttle Mass Flow Calculations and Simulation Dual Lambda Sensors: By Using the EMtron KV8's Integrated Lambda Controller and Bosch LSU4.9 Lambda Sensors, I'm able to monitor front and rear rotors individually and account for fueling variances caused by uneven airflow between rotor housings. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...2d15656d0c.png EMAP: Using another AEM 5 Bar MAP Sensor I'm able to fully model and take advantage of the Dual Lambda setup. This will undoubtedly show the weakness in my particular "shortest runner" setup as it is going to be a massive restriction on the turbo. I'd be surprised if we crack 550whp, all said and done. What this car really needs is a custom Big Runner Gleaseman designed manifold, and a conversion to dual 44mm EWGs, routed back into the 4" downpipe. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f4fbad4045.png Build Check List:
Take a Nap. Pop a Bottle of Champagne. Hit the Gym. Do a Massive Burnout. |
If you're planning on installing the LSU 4.9s to the exhaust manifold/turbine housing, they're probably not going to last long. Just sayin...
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Originally Posted by Fuhnortoner
(Post 12277131)
If you're planning on installing the LSU 4.9s to the exhaust manifold/turbine housing, they're probably not going to last long. Just sayin...
Look at the first picture. Sensors will be mounted on the turbine housing there and HeaderShield is going to be supplying the necessary insulation/reflective properties that I need to keep the Hex within 650C. |
I Have a Huge Update! But, I'm not going to share it just yet. I'll wait until the parts start pouring in. Rhymes with SmeeHate and is SUPER easy to make power with... |
Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12277721)
Already figured it out.
Look at the first picture. Sensors will be mounted on the turbine housing there and HeaderShield is going to be supplying the necessary insulation/reflective properties that I need to keep the Hex within 650C. |
Originally Posted by Fuhnortoner
(Post 12277131)
If you're planning on installing the LSU 4.9s to the exhaust manifold/turbine housing, they're probably not going to last long. Just sayin...
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So after ALL of that about the custom made IWG thing, you're going to go to a gleaseman big runner with external gates just like me? Man if you'd just listen to me up front you'd save yourself a fuckload of headache.
I WOULD NOT bother putting individual O2s in the turbo manifold runners but not over worries of burning them out and having to replace them like Fartknocker was worried about. You aren't going to gain anything by looking at the AFR between runners, but rather just adding a dumbed down reference that you should be taking from EGT anyways. There is nothing you can infer from a wideband on each runner that you cant infer from EGT. EMAP is nice, but really only a setup indicator and not so much an active tuning parameter. Redundancy does have a purpose, however staring at 6 different readings from 3 different type sensors that all say the same thing is really just having more shit to look at for the sake of looking at more shit. That being said, whats the story on the EMAP canister? I haven't seen that one before...I like the welded look. Skeese |
Originally Posted by Skeese
(Post 12280369)
So after ALL of that about the custom made IWG thing, you're going to go to a gleaseman big runner with external gates just like me? Man if you'd just listen to me up front you'd save yourself a fuckload of headache.
I WOULD NOT bother putting individual O2s in the turbo manifold runners but not over worries of burning them out and having to replace them like Fartknocker was worried about. You aren't going to gain anything by looking at the AFR between runners, but rather just adding a dumbed down reference that you should be taking from EGT anyways. There is nothing you can infer from a wideband on each runner that you cant infer from EGT. EMAP is nice, but really only a setup indicator and not so much an active tuning parameter. Redundancy does have a purpose, however staring at 6 different readings from 3 different type sensors that all say the same thing is really just having more shit to look at for the sake of looking at more shit. That being said, whats the story on the EMAP canister? I haven't seen that one before...I like the welded look. Skeese I'm not just throwing money (that I don't really have) at a problem that doesn't exist. I'm approaching things cautiously with a bit of engineering and redundancy. If any sensor fails, the car goes into a limp mode and immediately shows me what sensor it is based on it's voltage or functioning issue. This is the T1 Race / Xenocron Tuning EMAP Kit, which is actually bitchin' and small too. ;) Glad it's not just me, because that Full Function aluminum is ugly as fuck to me. This matches my engine bay and will remain unpainted... Here's the link: Xenocron Tuning - EMAP Backpressure Kit |
Originally Posted by Skeese
(Post 12280366)
Oh shit, good god I'm glad we got you here to keep us in the loop on this secret knowledge. I don't know what we'd do without you
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Here We Go!
Fuck It, Here We Go! https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...dca3d3bbb0.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...1c942294ac.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...43e6a7e42b.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...ed982a0d68.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...164938ae0e.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...e556e0f473.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...8a8969e1ff.jpg So, I decided on a LONG Runner 321ss 2.157" ID, 2.375" OD (Big Tube!) Exhaust Manifold... The Thing is, this is going on my FB and my fitment doesn't get anywhere close to where John's is for his turbo kit... Check out this old pic: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...e13d5e3ec2.jpg Now, imagine placing the EFR9174 w/ 1.45 A/R Turbine Housing right where the Vibrant Air Filter is... Blammo, now you have a REALLY long runner design. |
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Dayum! That's some high grade stuff there! And to think I'll be happy just to get my car back together and get it running!.. :hah:
Your build Sir is quite inspiring and on a completely different level. |
Originally Posted by woodmv
(Post 12281973)
Dayum! That's some high grade stuff there! And to think I'll be happy just to get my car back together and get it running!.. :hah:
Your build Sir is quite inspiring and on a completely different level. |
Might as well subscribe to this trainwreck....J/k, j/k :)
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Originally Posted by dguy
(Post 12282061)
Might as well subscribe to this trainwreck....J/k, j/k :)
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I Bring The Fire :devil: :devil: :devil: :bling: :devil: :devil: :devil: |
Damn, zero support on here still. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12283278)
Damn, zero support on here still. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by KYPREO
(Post 12283319)
I'm watching. Love the V mount setup. Just looking forward to seeing what you're going to do with the new manifold/turbine setup. Should've just kept it simple from the start!
The whole point of this build was to push personal boundaries and continue development on a car that I saw was about to take off in value. 6yrs later, I'm right, it has. The build, in it's entirety is complex. Gran Touring is comfort and zero compromise luxury and speed. Oh well, I'm in a financial lull, which is what's impeding this build. Car comes home once I can afford the final phase of fabrication. Cheers. |
Glease is awesome. He is the only place I would trust high quality welding to.
He welded my spindle/coilover brackets. Cool to see his stuff ending up all the way in California. |
I met his staff at SEMA last year and have connected with John on a few things. Glad to finally have a piece of the puzzle. It's a shame funding as been so slow recently.
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I found your thread about a month ago, from posts in the "what did you do to your FB" thread, I think, and just finished catching up. Ambitious as hell project! You've got some pretty neat stuff going on in that little FB. :)
Just wanted to let you know I appreciate reading about the project, and your efforts. Way more ambitious than me - I'm just stuffing a GSL-SE into my SA, because I'm tired of carburetors. Guess I should probably make a thread here about it... |
Originally Posted by Frankenrex
(Post 12283627)
I found your thread about a month ago, from posts in the "what did you do to your FB" thread, I think, and just finished catching up. Ambitious as hell project! You've got some pretty neat stuff going on in that little FB. :)
Just wanted to let you know I appreciate reading about the project, and your efforts. Way more ambitious than me - I'm just stuffing a GSL-SE into my SA, because I'm tired of carburetors. Guess I should probably make a thread here about it... Yes! Make a thread! Show us your progress and don't be afraid to dream big, put everything into it, and be patient with fruition. Cheers, Ryan |
I also follow, I love what you do with this car, please keep posting.
Beautiful work! |
Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12283669)
Kevin, that made my day. Thanks buddy!
Yes! Make a thread! Show us your progress and don't be afraid to dream big, put everything into it, and be patient with fruition. Cheers, Ryan |
Everything Came In https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...0ff39e0777.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...0f20dbd42f.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...3c099c9df4.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f9bec4e9b5.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f6be3db70e.jpg As for updates, the car is prepped for fabrication now. About to pull the 'old' turbo setup off and place it to make the runner length as LONG as possible. Maybe not John Choe's FD's 18"+ length, but likely around 12-14". If I can make the runner longer than just a straight shot, I will... Tons of stuff up for sale if anyone wants first dibs to my 'old' setup. It'll be a reliable, ultra-responsive 450-500whp with an EFR8374 or EFR9174 supercore. Finances are tighter than ever. This year has crushed me with bad luck. Just trying to keep things moving and I appreciate all the support over social media. |
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