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woodmv 11-18-16 10:54 AM

So between Jim Beam commercials and movies, Mila Kunis helps you with your builds?

RGHTBrainDesign 11-18-16 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by woodmv (Post 12125269)
So between Jim Beam commercials and movies, Mila Kunis helps you with your builds?

Mila Kunis with boobs, actually. :lol: I think this girl gets paid more over IG than Mila too.

RGHTBrainDesign 11-20-16 09:32 PM

Big updates over the next month or so. Dying with finals coming up and insane amounts of lab projects, but it'll all be worth it.

economiser 11-21-16 08:04 AM

So if you're all about getting everything right, then that steel-center 9" Ford axlehousing is a fail. At least run a Currie aluminum-center version with a Strange aluminum 12-bolt third-member. If that doesn't fit the budget, the aluminum-center Dana 44 from a Jeep is even lighter, more than strong enough for your build, and uses the same guts as the Viper.
But if you want a steel center, the Ford 8" is lighter, and still strong enough.
What do you think you're gaining by running a reverse Satchell, which is nothing more than an upside-down 'Fox"-chassis Mustang triangulated 4-link, which sucks for anything but drag racing, over a 3-link plus Watt's link?
Being arrogant is ok when you're over 40 and actually have life experience to back up your schooling, but building your ideaology ( spelling? ) will have you driving in denial. Being in your 20s is like that. Eventually you learn that whatever you did accomplish with that build didn't make it a McLaren P1-killer, nor will it make you the next big name in custom car building.
When I get pushy, I'm trying to save others from repeating my past mistakes and regrets. Pushing something just because it is theoretically correct is a whole different matter. Like stiff springs with corrected suspension geometry. It does help for road-race tracks and autocross, but for a grand tourer, it sucks. BTDT. These cars already have the advantage of loading the chassis through a coilover. This allows more wheel rate with less spring rate, as opposed to something like a '79-'85 Mustang or Camaro.
If you're willing to invest a lot in an old production car to make an extreme performer, the better starting point would have been an '84-up 'vette, or at least an '84-'89 300ZX.
These cars can be made to handle decently, but the best, wisest use of them is drag racing. For anything else, start with something else.

mustanghammer 11-21-16 04:12 PM

Economiser,

I'll let the SirLaughs respond to most of what you wrote but with respect to the suspension design selected here - it is not at all simply an upside down Fox Mustang.

For one thing the roll center is at the bottom of the diff not the top like it is on a Fox Mustang. second, this suspension design has been used successfully in National level SCCA Solo (Frank Stagnaro CP Mustang), Trans Am (Roush Capris/Mustangs ran this setup on street courses like DesMoines) and in SCCA Club Racing. A number of us building E Production/Super Touring cars discussed this design as alternatives to the three link and 4 link setup that are the norm on these cars. We had difficulty fitting a 3" exhaust around the lower tubes however. I will be watching to see SirLaugh's solution.

It is a beautifully simple design and It imposes none of the space issues encountered with a Panhard Rod or a Watts link.

RGHTBrainDesign 11-21-16 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by economiser (Post 12125930)
So if you're all about getting everything right, then that steel-center 9" Ford axlehousing is a fail. At least run a Currie aluminum-center version with a Strange aluminum 12-bolt third-member. If that doesn't fit the budget, the aluminum-center Dana 44 from a Jeep is even lighter, more than strong enough for your build, and uses the same guts as the Viper.
But if you want a steel center, the Ford 8" is lighter, and still strong enough.
What do you think you're gaining by running a reverse Satchell, which is nothing more than an upside-down 'Fox"-chassis Mustang triangulated 4-link, which sucks for anything but drag racing, over a 3-link plus Watt's link?
Being arrogant is ok when you're over 40 and actually have life experience to back up your schooling, but building your ideaology ( spelling? ) will have you driving in denial. Being in your 20s is like that. Eventually you learn that whatever you did accomplish with that build didn't make it a McLaren P1-killer, nor will it make you the next big name in custom car building.
When I get pushy, I'm trying to save others from repeating my past mistakes and regrets. Pushing something just because it is theoretically correct is a whole different matter. Like stiff springs with corrected suspension geometry. It does help for road-race tracks and autocross, but for a grand tourer, it sucks. BTDT. These cars already have the advantage of loading the chassis through a coilover. This allows more wheel rate with less spring rate, as opposed to something like a '79-'85 Mustang or Camaro.
If you're willing to invest a lot in an old production car to make an extreme performer, the better starting point would have been an '84-up 'vette, or at least an '84-'89 300ZX.
These cars can be made to handle decently, but the best, wisest use of them is drag racing. For anything else, start with something else.


I took a lot of design cues from Winfield Coachman of Coachman Performance (Elwood) when designing a rear suspension setup. It's a Toyota 8", which by all accounts is stronger than any domestic axle of similar sizing and weight. Decades of road racing experience from Paul Yaw of Injector dynamics, Mike Shaffer of Shaffer's Offroad, my buddy Orlando, who's done Baja and KOH more times than I can think of, Abel Ibarra who's world renown for rotary engine development and knows a thing or two about vehicle design, my fabricator, and good friend Tony Ruiz, who's been doing custom 914s, e30s, offroading rigs, etc. There are so many great minds that I speak to on a weekly basis... I didn't go into this blindly.

Currie or Similar Ford 9" - Look, I dealt with these axles when I worked at Lucra Cars (alongside CRB Fabrication) down in San Diego. They are WAY overkill for a 2500lb car. If a Dana 44HD C4 Corvette rear end with 2.7 FD ratio and 335 NT01s can handle 700hp day in, and day out, on a 2200lb car, then this Toyota 8" can EASILY handle whatever I throw at it.

Schooling in itself didn't bring me here. I don't learn well in class and my skill sets (one being the ability to find interconnectivity of varying backgrounds) aren't utilized. I do my best learning alone with books of my choosing, and connecting with people who I can share information with.

That being said, I do have an air of arrogance. I worked my fucking ass off to get this done and to simplify things. I even went as far as laying it all out on this site for people to replicate if they so wish to.

What you're missing out on is the finer details. If you've seen any of the recent photos and videos, you'll find that it maximizes the space I had available to work with, while only taking up unseen space inside the cabin (which my storage bins will still work as intended and I'll still have room for battery, amp, etc in that location). Dealing with NVH there won't be as hard as you'd think, and the whole car will be structurally sound. The geometry is the big player in Solid Axle Design. I have my roll center exactly where I want it, very minimal anti-squat (because this IS NOT a drag racing vehicle, and I want my suspension to do suspension work and my links to do location work), and most important of all, my pinion angle changes fractions of a degree per inch of travel, which is the #1 downside of the factory rear suspension.

If you don't like it, that's fine. If you don't like me, that's just fine as well. Can't please em all.

What I'm stumped on is how you're not appreciating the dedication and development time and money I've put into this vehicle. I'm confused as to why you think they aren't good for gran touring. The build quality is excellent, glass is thick, it's the perfect balance of lightness and rigidity in all the right places, etc. It may not be YOUR dream car, but it is one of mine. I'm just happy to share my experiences with those of similar passions.

RGHTBrainDesign 11-21-16 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by mustanghammer (Post 12126066)
Economiser,

I'll let the SirLaughs respond to most of what you wrote but with respect to the suspension design selected here - it is not at all simply an upside down Fox Mustang.

For one thing the roll center is at the bottom of the diff not the top like it is on a Fox Mustang. second, this suspension design has been used successfully in National level SCCA Solo (Frank Stagnaro CP Mustang), Trans Am (Roush Capris/Mustangs ran this setup on street courses like DesMoines) and in SCCA Club Racing. A number of us building E Production/Super Touring cars discussed this design as alternatives to the three link and 4 link setup that are the norm on these cars. We had difficulty fitting a 3" exhaust around the lower tubes however. I will be watching to see SirLaugh's solution.

It is a beautifully simple design and It imposes none of the space issues encountered with a Panhard Rod or a Watts link.

Keep it simple, stupid. :lol:

Only took about 60 designs to land on this...ohhh the numbers. :nod:

If you have a chance, check out the most recent video on my YouTube page and how I was able to package everything. REALLY nailed it, I thought.


RGHTBrainDesign 11-21-16 08:42 PM

Just picked up a few parts at the shop for the Direct Bolt On Turbo setup that I'm selling.

Mmm, looks tidy! About 70% done on the inside, another reinforcement brace, some massaging, and cutting the box portion out of the driveshaft tunnel.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...2d5e7ca508.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...570cfd3bdc.jpg

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RGHTBrainDesign 11-22-16 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by economiser (Post 12125930)
...Uses the same guts as the Viper.

Well, I've now reworked two 1997 Dodge Vipers and can tell you I would never want a Mopar part on this car.


Originally Posted by economiser (Post 12125930)
What do you think you're gaining by running a reverse Satchell, which is nothing more than an upside-down 'Fox"-chassis Mustang triangulated 4-link, which sucks for anything but drag racing, over a 3-link plus Watt's link?

Well, packaging is a big deal.

I can see you used a worm-tooth hose clamp and washers on your 3-link with the wrong size heims and swedge tube. Assuming you went with a quality 1/2" heim joint, that's still only 12k lbs load rating. (7/16" is 9k lbs load rating) I'd likely be able to break that setup with 100whp in mountain driving on 200 TW tires.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f17f048d8d.jpg


Did you model your geometry using this 3-Link Calculator? 4x4 Excel Spresheets What figures did you aim for? Anti-Squat? Roll Center? Pinion Angle Change?

What's the stroke on your dampers? Did you use the model to see what maximum travel is doing as far as Anti-Squat, Roll Center, and Pinion Angle? Besides elongation of wheelbase, was there another reason for the further-aft solid axle? Are you worried about bumpstop deformation since it's not true'd to the chassis? What about the lack of a misalignment spacer on your "Watt's Link"?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...37cef6d487.jpg


I did end up using the 79-04 Ford Mustang Rear Suspension for my car. If you looked back at my thread at all where I clearly stated Toyota 8" Solid Axle Swap and 5x114.3 Conversion, you would see the 6.15" Stroke, Double Adjustable Varishock Coilovers. If you're really wondering why Mustangs don't handle well, maybe you should drop in those dimensions into a 4-Link calculator and get back to me.


So let me get this straight... Just because you weren't able to get a 4-Link to work for you, you're saying it's a crappy option? Did you fix the factory pinion angle issue? Do you even understand what these figures do to the vehicle and it's handling dynamics? How many miles a week do you drive aggressively in the tight canyons of Utah? Just because many racers who have fully gutted interiors and 10+pt cages have 3-Link setups (which they should tie into the cage), doesn't mean it's the only good option, or that it's suited for everyone.

Whether it's a Watt's Link or Panhard bar, you do realize you're getting a lateral arc of travel that the entire axle moves in as you compress and droop the suspension, right? In other words, your axle shifts left to right as your rear suspension moves vertically. Those setups are inferior to a triangulated link setup. Adds weight in the wrong spot.

Weight - So, even with all the bracing on this car, I might have added 50lbs of steel to the bottom of the chassis, centered, and slightly aft. Well, when you consider the V-Mount adds fore-weight, I need more weight in the aft to dial it in. You wouldn't understand corner balancing or safety with weight management though, because your battery location is about as dangerous as it gets. Why you didn't put that into a smaller metal box that could have been welded to the floor (Ultimas are sealed cell anyways) and put it in one of your storage bin areas (lower and safer in the case of an accident) is beyond me. Even just put it in the passenger corner to balance your weight out... :scratch:


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Originally Posted by economiser (Post 12125930)
Eventually you learn that whatever you did accomplish with that build didn't make it a McLaren P1-killer, nor will it make you the next big name in custom car building.

I'm going to tell you a secret... If I wanted an EASY project, I would have hacked in an LS swap and pulled entire front and rear subframes from an S2000 or Rx8. Utilizing a McPherson Strut front end and a Solid Axle rear end is the entire point of this as an engineering experiment. Will it be perfect? No. But I won't be cutting corners in the build design and implementation. I planned a 10 year build, something you couldn't fathom with your 40yrs of wisdom. My design parameters will easily be met, and a Ferrari 599 killer is what you're looking at, buddy.

Here's a list of cars that I've built or tuned over the years (I'm 26 now):
1976 Datsun 280z
1976 Triumph Spitfire
1994 Acura Integra
2005 Audi S4
2x 1997 Dodge Viper GTS
5x NA Miatas
3x NB Miatas
3x FC Rx7s
2x FD Rx7s
2x Honda S2000s
3x More Acura Integras
1x Acura RSX-S
1x Porsche 914
1x Porsche 356 Replica with EJ25 swap
12(+) x Lucra Roadsters LC470s
1x Porsche Boxter
3x Subaru WRX STi
1x Subaru Legacy
2x BMW M3 e36
1x BMW M3 e46
1x BMW M3 e30
1x 2016 Mustang GT (S550 Chassis)
5x S13 240sx
2x S14 240sx
2x MKIII Supras
Various other trucks and compact cars which aren't very important. But hey, I don't know how to differentiate vehicle setups and geometry is all the same...



Originally Posted by economiser (Post 12125930)
Like stiff springs with corrected suspension geometry. It does help for road-race tracks and autocross, but for a grand tourer, it sucks. BTDT. These cars already have the advantage of loading the chassis through a coilover. This allows more wheel rate with less spring rate, as opposed to something like a '79-'85 Mustang or Camaro.

At this point, you entirely prove my point about you not knowing what suspension links actually do for a solid axle. Let me give you a hint....They locate it. So with ZERO Anti-Squat, what do you think happens? The world doesn't end, that's for sure. What happens is that ALL of the vertical forces acting on the rear wheels are transferred into the suspension, and ALL of the horizontal forces (if you watch the vehicle pass in front of you from right to left) are transferred into the links.

How does 100% Anti-Squat work? Well, instead of the suspension doing it's job of absorbing vertical movement (bumps), part of that energy is transferred through the link design (the axle locators) which actually shocks the chassis (high Noise, Vibration, and Harshness, as well as misalignment of the axle itself). Guess what though, the suspension is less likely to travel...because for some reason, some moron thought travel was a bad thing, even after bumpsteer was understood and improved upon greatly.

What does that do to spring rate selection? Well, if you have more anti-squat, you don't need as much spring in the rear of the car, because now the links are activated AS YOUR SPRINGS. Ouch, that wasn't smart, now was it? So 200lb springs with corrected geometry are probably perfect for a COMFORTABLE setup because my anti-squat is damn near 10% at ride height.

More wheel rate with less spring rate? I think you're talking about lateral location of the coilover here. So if the springs are located at the widest parts of the axle, you can run less rate and have less deflection than if they were near the middle of the car. Whooptie doo, that's not saying much. Your wheels/tires need space, and just because the rear fenders have 11.5" of space doesn't mean you can fit a 11.5" tire in there. The axle itself, even on a perfect system, pivots around the ROLL CENTER, in which the sweep of the tire effectively cambers it, taking up at least 3/4" in either direction. A safe bet would be 10" wide tire maximum in rear, which is 255.


Originally Posted by economiser (Post 12125930)
These cars can be made to handle decently, but the best, wisest use of them is drag racing. For anything else, start with something else.

How did you ever expect to get 50MPG out of a shit V6 and without extensive aerodynamics modifications? You'd lose all the practicality of the car when it gains 10ft of tail and nose. :lol:


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I'm done with you. Get out of here.

RGHTBrainDesign 11-23-16 07:17 PM

So, let's turn the page here a bit and go further into the design details...


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...5c13b9eedc.png

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This wedge has a LOT more going on with it than some might notice. First off, and most importantly, it's designed to still clear the factory storage bin enclosure metal. Yep, these beautiful wedges will be HIDDEN AWAY. :egrin:

Next, once the crossbar is installed and everything tidied up, the wedge and cross bar(s) will support my Phoenix Gold Elite.5 amplifier (or if I decide to run something else, that will go on the top there). Adjustments and access to the connectors on the side of the amplifier would be easy, seeing as I have two huge openings (where the bins are going to be) to get to them. The bins themselves will be cut and re-stitched to leave clearance for things.

The shape in the base of the wedge is for ease of wiring. 0ga or larger off of the 270A alternator and batteries will be relocated to this bin area. So amplifier, batteries, fuel pump controller, alarm, relays, circuit breaker box, etc will all be housed here in a low-profile manner (so I still have storage room, of course).

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...73c9d68a0f.jpg

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More to come soon... :lol:

RGHTBrainDesign 11-28-16 12:46 AM

Before I forget, the next list of immediate mods are:

4x FD Inconel Exhaust Manifold Studs (M10x1.5 @ 40mm Length)
1x Racing Beat Steel Engine to Header Flange
1x Racing Beat Exhaust Manifold Gasket
2x Steel -6AN Weld Fittings (Water Engine)
1x Steel -10AN Weld Fitting (Oil Engine)
1x 3/8" NPT to -10AN Fitting (Oil OUT)
2x M14x1.5 to -6AN Fitting (Water IN/OUT)
1x M12x1.5 to -6AN Fitting (Oil IN) <--- Really unsure about this one, I'll double check it later.

eage8 11-28-16 10:09 AM

EFRs come with -6AN fittings on the oil in already with the appropriate restrictor.

RGHTBrainDesign 11-28-16 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by eage8 (Post 12127686)
EFRs come with -6AN fittings on the oil in already with the appropriate restrictor.

I think it comes with a -4AN fitting and the turbo itself is threaded to M12x1.5 to accept that -4AN to M12x1.5 fitting.

Either way, I'm running -6AN water and -6AN IN for oil. -10AN OUT for oil.

**EFR size IS M12x1.5 to -6AN!** Thank you to Full-Race for being awesome over the phone!

eage8 11-28-16 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12127702)
I think it comes with a -4AN fitting and the turbo itself is threaded to M12x1.5 to accept that -4AN to M12x1.5 fitting.

Either way, I'm running -6AN water and -6AN IN for oil. -10AN OUT for oil.

**EFR size IS M12x1.5 to -6AN!** Thank you to Full-Race for being awesome over the phone!

My bad, it is 4AN.

why do you need/want 6AN?

Make sure you verify what the restrictor is and/or weather it's in the adapter fitting or in the turbo itself.

RGHTBrainDesign 11-28-16 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by eage8 (Post 12127820)
My bad, it is 4AN.

why do you need/want 6AN?

Make sure you verify what the restrictor is and/or weather it's in the adapter fitting or in the turbo itself.

The turbo has it restricted itself, and Borg Warner states that for feed lines over 18" long (mine is ~22") to go up to -6AN. That works out really well because of how I did the rest of my block. Easy peasy.

RGHTBrainDesign 11-29-16 08:43 PM

Welding up the Axle Housing, then Truing the Axle, then welding on the back truss, then truing again, then final assembly w/ brakes and axles, and paint.


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Freeskier7791 12-01-16 08:18 AM

Serious question, why did you not extend the pocket all the way to the floor? From an engineering point of view it would help stiffen everything up.

PS don't worry about the hacks

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RGHTBrainDesign 12-02-16 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by Freeskier7791 (Post 12128657)
Serious question, why did you not extend the pocket all the way to the floor? From an engineering point of view it would help stiffen everything up.

So I can route electronics there (270A Alternator needs some serious battery cables, and battery is located in this storage bin area). The strength in the floor there isn't really that much anyways, it's mostly gained by boxing in the 2"x 2" square tube (0.083" wall) and all the MIG work.

Freeskier7791 12-02-16 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12128930)
So I can route electronics there (270A Alternator needs some serious battery cables, and battery is located in this storage bin area). The strength in the floor there isn't really that much anyways, it's mostly gained by boxing in the 2"x 2" square tube (0.083" wall) and all the MIG work.

Fair enough, the upper links see much less force than the lowers anyway.

RGHTBrainDesign 12-02-16 10:00 AM

Either way, I do appreciate the input and the comment about "hacks". That cracked me up, Andrew. :egrin: :lol:

My buddy is yelling at me for not TIGing the entire housing and I'm scratching my head as to why... Just a waste of time (expensive) and definitely not stronger. The MIG is the right choice here. :lol:

Freeskier7791 12-02-16 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12129017)
Either way, I do appreciate the input and the comment about "hacks". That cracked me up, Andrew. :egrin: :lol:

My buddy is yelling at me for not TIGing the entire housing and I'm scratching my head as to why... Just a waste of time (expensive) and definitely not stronger. The MIG is the right choice here. :lol:

Lol anytime. I can pretty easily figure out from a few pictures if someone is building a car the right or wrong way.

If you have a skilled welder and use good filler, the TIG could be stronger and lighter. But really it just looks cooler. Since you aren't doing the work yourself, MIG will be fine for what you are doing.

Skeese 12-02-16 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12125861)
Big updates over the next month or so. Dying with finals coming up and insane amounts of lab projects, but it'll all be worth it.

I never realized you were in school or maybe I just missed it. What are you doing?

RGHTBrainDesign 12-03-16 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by Skeese (Post 12129221)
I never realized you were in school or maybe I just missed it. What are you doing?

Well, I finished up a minor in Environmental Engineering at Chico State and had to move home to find a job that would pay enough for me to continue college. I took a break to save money, spent a year in San Diego working at Lucra Cars, and headed home to San Jose in which I was able to find a job working in San Francisco on the weekends. I'm now continuing my Mechanical Engineering Degree at San Jose State University (Chico was a better college for the way that I learn). I've used this car as a test bench, as well as my daily driver (94 Integra) to start up my own company, RGHTBrainDesign - Engineering Firm.

While it's still illegitimate in legal standings, I help people from across the country on a weekly basis, and in my area, I do suspension tuning and calibration services when time allows.

There isn't any time. Full time ME is tough as is, and working on the weekends makes it harder still. Countless all-nighters this year... :cursing: It's all worth it though. :lol:

RGHTBrainDesign 12-05-16 10:06 PM

So...once I finalize the accessory/belt setup, and new turbo setup, I'll be looking again to Mike @ Bell Intercoolers for a new design. Really hoping to cram some MASSIVE intercooler under the hood...but clearance and heat locations are everything.

Currently, I have a 24" x 5.8" x 3.5" Core (with Air Diverted/Divided Endtanks) flowing 1600CFM with ~ 0.1psi pressure loss. It was a PERFECT setup for the T04B V-Trim setup that I built, but has no chance in keeping the 9174 based setup dialed.

Frontal Area = 24" x 5.8" = 139.2 sq. in.
Internal Volume = 24" x 5.8" x 3.5" = 487.2 cu.in. (487.2 converted to cu. ft. = 0.281944 cu.ft)
Lag Time = [Internal Volume / Flow Rate] x 2
[0.281944 cu. ft. / 1600 cu. ft./min] x 2 x 60s/min = 0.021s

Newly proposed dimensions (not releasing them yet) will be 2100CFM with a surface area MUCH larger. Damn it. So much $$$$. :( We all make mistakes.

Frontal Area = 336 sq. in.
Internal Volume = 1512 cu. in. (0.875 cu. ft.)
Lag Time = 0.05s

Dahmmm.

Freeskier7791 12-06-16 08:00 AM

Im sure you can sell the old core. If you change the front bumper you should be able to fit a big core pretty easily.

RGHTBrainDesign 12-06-16 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Freeskier7791 (Post 12130289)
Im sure you can sell the old core. If you change the front bumper you should be able to fit a big core pretty easily.

Except for the fact that it's a V-Mount Configuration for responsiveness. I'm worried about the power steering pump and turbocharger being right in the area I plan to use. Moving the intercooler forward brings up its own set of issues, mainly with angling the intercooler the wrong way to fit under the hood. :/

So what I really want is to use the Adaptronic M6000 in three stages of fuel injection. ID1300 Primary, ID1700 Secondary, and ID1700 Tertiary. Not sure where to locate the third rail on the intake manifold or ideal plumbing configuration. -8AN from tank, -6AN return. This makes tuning pump gas work properly, and tuning the much larger EFR 9174 on e85 much safer.

Sleazy and ready for 5-600whp. Bahahaha. This is going to be nuts.

Freeskier7791 12-07-16 10:24 AM

I like the idea of multiple fuel rails, I assume there is some sort of solenoid that controls what rail is in use?

The nose of the FB is so low that it really hampers any v mount. Can you change the size of the radiator possibly to help? Maybe do a rear mount radiator?? I know its not too grand touring but it may help with the intercooler situation

RGHTBrainDesign 12-07-16 12:28 PM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...8689a6aa0a.jpg

Okay, as simplistic as this is, it might be the best way to do this:

1) Snag a spare Turbo II intake manifold
2) Cut off Upper Injector "Tabs"
3) Cut Inner Runners on good manifold to match "Tabs"
4) Weld "Tabs" on good manifold at identical height and angle as the pre-existing outer tabs
5) Either find a fuel rail that fits this or Modify the FFE rail for two new injectors
6) Powdercoat the Intake Manifold (again)

The M6000 would control it as Primary Rail (with ID1300s) would activate first, then the two outer Secondary Rail injectors would activate second (ID1700s), and finally when necessary, the two inner Secondary Rail injectors would activate (ID1700s). I do this for a few reasons, but the main one is that I wouldn't want to initially over-saturate the center runners while having the outers dry, so by going inner, outer, and MORE inner, it makes sense. Going inner, MORE inner, then outer does not.

RGHTBrainDesign 12-07-16 12:56 PM

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Maybe if the larger core's extra area is located almost entirely forward (removing that lip Mike has his hand resting on, and extending on the left side of the photo), I could make it work. We also have an oil cooler between the radiator and intercooler at the back now (right side of photo).

Surprisingly, height is the #1 issue here, not fore/aft space. This is what makes the radiator tilt so much further down than in the picture. Too low, and it's REALLY dangerous for bumpy canyon roads (since the lowest point of the V-Mount has the FB oil cooler attached to the base of the radiator).

RGHTBrainDesign 12-08-16 11:32 AM

I have a better idea. Not sure if I want 3 Stages or 4 Stages now though... LOL.

Freeskier7791 12-08-16 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12131077)
I have a better idea. Not sure if I want 3 Stages or 4 Stages now though... LOL.

Can you not find the right size injector with a wide enough duty cycle to satisfy multiple fuels, or does the turbo blow that out of the water since you need so much fuel at peak boost?

It may be hard to get the intake parts to line up with cutting pieces off, I know it is more expensive but I would design fuel injector bosses that could be welded onto your existing manifold.

I see your issue with the intercooler pretty clearly now. I would cut that whole lip back to where the bolts are basically. Try to get more intercooler area by increasing the "height" not the thickness.

RGHTBrainDesign 12-08-16 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Freeskier7791 (Post 12131127)
Can you not find the right size injector with a wide enough duty cycle to satisfy multiple fuels, or does the turbo blow that out of the water since you need so much fuel at peak boost?

It may be hard to get the intake parts to line up with cutting pieces off, I know it is more expensive but I would design fuel injector bosses that could be welded onto your existing manifold.

I see your issue with the intercooler pretty clearly now. I would cut that whole lip back to where the bolts are basically. Try to get more intercooler area by increasing the "height" not the thickness.

Exactly, on both accounts.

DIY Tune has EV14 Weld-In Injector Bungs with 1/4" NPT threaded top hats. I'd just tap the fuel rail with however many holes (quantity of injectors added). :lol::egrin::lol:

Skeese 12-09-16 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12129458)
I'm now continuing my Mechanical Engineering Degree at San Jose State University

There isn't any time. Full time ME is tough as is, and working on the weekends makes it harder still. Countless all-nighters this year... :cursing: It's all worth it though. :lol:

While we do agree to disagree on some things, I'm sure you will do well as a ME . You definitely put mechanical forethought into things and have the right mindset for this line of work. I graduated ME in 2012 and it's served me will in a variety of engineering positions.

If I can make one suggestion though...go take and pass the EIT immediately after you graduate. No matter where you go with the degree having that behind it will serve you well and open up stuff down the road. Plus...it's a mega bitch to go back and relearn all that stuff down the road a few years. Just go knock it out right after school.

Skeese

RGHTBrainDesign 12-09-16 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Skeese (Post 12131402)
While we do agree to disagree on some things, I'm sure you will do well as a ME . You definitely put mechanical forethought into things and have the right mindset for this line of work. I graduated ME in 2012 and it's served me will in a variety of engineering positions.

If I can make one suggestion though...go take and pass the EIT immediately after you graduate. No matter where you go with the degree having that behind it will serve you well and open up stuff down the road. Plus...it's a mega bitch to go back and relearn all that stuff down the road a few years. Just go knock it out right after school.

Skeese

I think that's what makes this whole automotive community better... We're doing it right if there IS a disagreement and then acknowledging we have alternative ways to reach similar results. You have been one of the best influences in this Rx7Club community and I always appreciate your input.

The EIT, ahh, yes, I'll probably do it next year. Since traveling and learning things first hand, I lost the opportunity to be a legitimate "full time" student at San Jose State. I'm taking a full time student load as an Open University Student until they accept me. This is an absolute chore... Academia is such a small portion of where I've learned Engineering, Logic, Reasoning, etc as a whole, that I find the school boards to be only interested in my GPA, not my success.

Nothing like asking my peers or professors how they think I'm doing or real world stuff that I'm actually doing. Oh well, as with everything in life, it's a work in progress. I have plenty to improve upon, so I can't be passing blame or whatever else around.

Here's my Fluid Mechanics Presentation:
https://docs.google.com/presentation...it?usp=sharing

Just as a note, the majority of my classmates did Hydropowered Dams, Hyperloop, and Tsunamis, some of which were incredibly boring and full of mis-information. I was able to sit down during this boredom and come up with real-world, modern solutions to each of their currently established systems.

woodmv 12-10-16 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Skeese (Post 12131402)
If I can make one suggestion though...go take and pass the EIT immediately after you graduate. No matter where you go with the degree having that behind it will serve you well and open up stuff down the road. Plus...it's a mega bitch to go back and relearn all that stuff down the road a few years. Just go knock it out right after school.

That is very good point. I've seen it time and again. The longer you wait the more difficult it is to pass. You'll invariably wind up studying as a part time task along with a full time job and other responsibilities and it will be damn near impossible to get there.


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12131459)
Academia is such a small portion of where I've learned Engineering, Logic, Reasoning, etc as a whole, that I find the school boards to be only interested in my GPA, not my success.

You'll find also that colleges and universities as an organization are more interested in your MONEY. Some (not all) professors are interested in you as a student and your development. The key to learning is being able to relate the classroom to actual, tangible, real world examples.


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12131459)
Here's my Fluid Mechanics Presentation:
https://docs.google.com/presentation...it?usp=sharing

That was pretty cool - Good job. I actually LEARNED something, so thanks! Now I know how a turbo works. Never really was motivated to figure that out - just trying to put a car back together. Part time. Maybe when (if) I get done and it actually runs I'll think about going turbo.

RGHTBrainDesign 12-10-16 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by woodmv (Post 12131650)
You'll find also that colleges and universities as an organization are more interested in your MONEY. Some (not all) professors are interested in you as a student and your development. The key to learning is being able to relate the classroom to actual, tangible, real world examples.

That was pretty cool - Good job. I actually LEARNED something, so thanks! Now I know how a turbo works. Never really was motivated to figure that out - just trying to put a car back together. Part time. Maybe when (if) I get done and it actually runs I'll think about going turbo.

I say this all the time. :lol: They're in the business to make money, not educate, so I'll get my education elsewhere (reading books at home, talking to the right people, forums, other SAE/SAE-like sources on the internet, etc)

You have to play their game to get through it. This is my first semester that I can think of where my GPA is pretty damn high in all difficult classes. Hopefully they accept me as a full time student and I can just keep doin' ma thang.

Skeese 12-10-16 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12131751)
I say this all the time. :lol: They're in the business to make money, not educate, so I'll get my education elsewhere (reading books at home, talking to the right people, forums, other SAE/SAE-like sources on the internet, etc)

You have to play their game to get through it. This is my first semester that I can think of where my GPA is pretty damn high in all difficult classes. Hopefully they accept me as a full time student and I can just keep doin' ma thang.

What really seals the deal beyond a GPA or stats is the ability to intelligently talk to people and real world experience AKA knowing what the F you are talking about.

I had a REALLY crappy GPA coming out of college but I absolutely killed it in every job I've been in since then. In my most recent job interview, which included a handful of PE's, we talked through a plethora of engineering topics within my history and by the end of it I'm pretty sure they were all thinking holy shit this kids seen action and gets it. I got the job, and it definitely wasn't due to my GPA.


Whats your estimated graduation date?

Skeese

RGHTBrainDesign 12-10-16 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Skeese (Post 12131808)
What really seals the deal beyond a GPA or stats is the ability to intelligently talk to people and real world experience AKA knowing what the F you are talking about.

I had a REALLY crappy GPA coming out of college but I absolutely killed it in every job I've been in since then. In my most recent job interview, which included a handful of PE's, we talked through a plethora of engineering topics within my history and by the end of it I'm pretty sure they were all thinking holy shit this kids seen action and gets it. I got the job, and it definitely wasn't due to my GPA.


Whats your estimated graduation date?

Skeese

Absolutely. I think that's how I landed my last three bigger jobs and why my semester in Business courses was a sleepy A+ across the board. That stuff all just came intuitively.

Well, if I get accepted, I'm still another year and a half out. The 10yr plan!

But, enough about me. #LetsTalkAboutCarsYO!

RGHTBrainDesign 12-18-16 06:52 PM

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Tune is a long way from finished, but we're getting there!

eage8 12-19-16 02:46 PM

looks like you need to move the vtec engagement further down in the rev range.

RGHTBrainDesign 12-20-16 12:32 AM


Originally Posted by eage8 (Post 12134070)
looks like you need to move the vtec engagement further down in the rev range.

There's a fueling issue. We're making 20-30whp less than it should be. Ordered a new Walbro 255HP (I think this one crapped out) and I'll see what I can do with the factory FPR (dimple mod) to raise pressure up to about 51psi (better spray pattern).

Something definitely isn't right on fuel/calibration though. I'll get to it after my finals.

eage8 12-20-16 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot (Post 12134217)
There's a fueling issue. We're making 20-30whp less than it should be. Ordered a new Walbro 255HP (I think this one crapped out) and I'll see what I can do with the factory FPR (dimple mod) to raise pressure up to about 51psi (better spray pattern).

Something definitely isn't right on fuel/calibration though. I'll get to it after my finals.

I'm talking about the huge torque increase when vtec is engaged. Honda does this stock so the car "feels" fast. but if you actually tune it correctly (lower the engagement point), you shouldn't feel it at all and have much more torque under the curve.

any easy way to tune it is to make 2 pulls, one with vtec off, and 1 with vtec on, the point at which the power curves cross (the difference between them is 0) is where you should engage vtec.

RGHTBrainDesign 12-20-16 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by eage8 (Post 12134298)
I'm talking about the huge torque increase when vtec is engaged. Honda does this stock so the car "feels" fast. but if you actually tune it correctly (lower the engagement point), you shouldn't feel it at all and have much more torque under the curve.

any easy way to tune it is to make 2 pulls, one with vtec off, and 1 with vtec on, the point at which the power curves cross (the difference between them is 0) is where you should engage vtec.

Good point. I'm not sure how we're doing the IAB (intake air bypass) and VTEC engagement point right now, but I suspect I'll learn soon enough, after finals.

RGHTBrainDesign 12-25-16 11:03 PM

DOH! Well, go figure, the IAB solenoid wasn't even installed. So a crack of the throttle = fully open IAB = no grunt down low.


:egrin: Borg Warner EFR 9174 will be ordered tomorrow before my source decides to change his amazing pricing! :egrin:

Tony and I will mock up the new intercooler dimensions with the front V-Mount and see if I can order the new one from Mike @ Bell Intercoolers. <3 <3 <3

BIG week!

RGHTBrainDesign 01-04-17 03:37 AM

Rear Suspension Fully Compressed, 4-Link/Rear Coilover Conversion/Solid Axle 90% Complete, New Wheels for the FB, and Customer Car. EFR 9174 Comes in Tomorrow.

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Freeskier7791 01-04-17 07:50 AM

rear housing looks awesome, are you gonna change the bumps? Not sure how I feel about your new wheels, I'm gonna have to see them on the car

RGHTBrainDesign 01-04-17 02:45 PM

I won't know about the bumpstops until we get the coilovers on there. 6.15" stroke really isn't enough for what I planned to do, but I wanted to keep it Varishock in the rear and they sadly didn't have 7-9" stroke coilovers like this. :sad:

The new wheels are interesting. It just got sprung on me and I don't think I can pass them up for the cool factor alone. I'll have them fixed (the barrels are scuffed on 2) and some accent paint done on them to make it all come together. We'll see...

RGHTBrainDesign 01-04-17 07:58 PM

It's Here! I Present To You, The Borg Warner EFR 9174 with Aluminum CHRA



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Skeese 01-05-17 07:41 PM

NICE!

I got my 9180 just a few days ago but haven't made it to motor selfie time yet.

Skeese

RGHTBrainDesign 01-05-17 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Skeese (Post 12138847)
NICE!

I got my 9180 just a few days ago but haven't made it to motor selfie time yet.

Skeese

Did you get Alex's old setup? :egrin::egrin: (Shainiac)


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