Kilo Racing 3 Rotor FD Conversion
realityck... While I have no idea who you are, given the 4 posts since 2006, but I would like to think you are a friend of David's who has been lurking? Otherwise, you are just thoughtless or fairly nasty, being polite about it.
Let's see. Say you think you are a friend... After 4 years of hell learning more than he ever wanted to know about 3 rotors and building custom cars and getting fleeced by various people who may have been well-intentioned, but at best ultimately people who were unable to deliver what they promised and what he bought dearly... YOU, his "friend" -- not likely I hope -- try to throw the fear of future reliability problems, tell him no one can fix it, that someone else will rip him off again, that he should go out and spend another, say, $100,000+ on another car, and then have the gall to tell him what his wife wants him to do?
No. You are not his friend or friend-ly, now are you? You, sir, should go back to lurking or just plain go... Just to be clear, you can continue to post here, but I will hound you incessantly. You should leave. Really.
Let's start in on you. First, you say "an intervention is do". I think (or is that "tink"? I am never sure) you mean it's "due", as in your leaving is overDUE. Then, you say "when it gos wrong" and I assume you meant, when it "goes" (with the E in there) wrong. And, I assume you ended with the 3 commas, meaning them to be ellipses, like I use when I correct your spelling and suggest you don't post anymore... (< "ellipses"... right next to the commas).
Or, as I said, stay around. I will teach you spelling and punctuation, but I can do nothing about your fundamental anger and unpleasantness. No worries, mate. There are others here that will try their level best on that score. Spend a minute composing yourself and then just go away. I hope you can do that better than you composed that terribly written and intentionally nasty post.
Goodbye.
Gordon
Let's see. Say you think you are a friend... After 4 years of hell learning more than he ever wanted to know about 3 rotors and building custom cars and getting fleeced by various people who may have been well-intentioned, but at best ultimately people who were unable to deliver what they promised and what he bought dearly... YOU, his "friend" -- not likely I hope -- try to throw the fear of future reliability problems, tell him no one can fix it, that someone else will rip him off again, that he should go out and spend another, say, $100,000+ on another car, and then have the gall to tell him what his wife wants him to do?
No. You are not his friend or friend-ly, now are you? You, sir, should go back to lurking or just plain go... Just to be clear, you can continue to post here, but I will hound you incessantly. You should leave. Really.
Let's start in on you. First, you say "an intervention is do". I think (or is that "tink"? I am never sure) you mean it's "due", as in your leaving is overDUE. Then, you say "when it gos wrong" and I assume you meant, when it "goes" (with the E in there) wrong. And, I assume you ended with the 3 commas, meaning them to be ellipses, like I use when I correct your spelling and suggest you don't post anymore... (< "ellipses"... right next to the commas).
Or, as I said, stay around. I will teach you spelling and punctuation, but I can do nothing about your fundamental anger and unpleasantness. No worries, mate. There are others here that will try their level best on that score. Spend a minute composing yourself and then just go away. I hope you can do that better than you composed that terribly written and intentionally nasty post.
Goodbye.
Gordon
Thanks Gordon.
Yes I was thinking about this. The Asheville house will be done within the next 90 days. It was 104 yesterday in Dallas - not fun. Driving on the Blue Ridge Parkway with a nice breeze blowing will be nice.
As to how long it's taken for the car to be completed, I agree, way too long. And as Gordon has pointed out, I have been fleeced along the way but I have also learned much. At this point, with the car being 95% done, it would be silly to give up. It is a great looking car and it will be a blast to drive.
Reliability? Do we really buy these cars for this reason?
As to how long it's taken for the car to be completed, I agree, way too long. And as Gordon has pointed out, I have been fleeced along the way but I have also learned much. At this point, with the car being 95% done, it would be silly to give up. It is a great looking car and it will be a blast to drive.
Reliability? Do we really buy these cars for this reason?
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Well said Gordon!!
realityck... While I have no idea who you are, given the 4 posts since 2006, but I would like to think you are a friend of David's who has been lurking? Otherwise, you are just thoughtless or fairly nasty, being polite about it.
Let's see. Say you think you are a friend... After 4 years of hell learning more than he ever wanted to know about 3 rotors and building custom cars and getting fleeced by various people who may have been well-intentioned, but at best ultimately people who were unable to deliver what they promised and what he bought dearly... YOU, his "friend" -- not likely I hope -- try to throw the fear of future reliability problems, tell him no one can fix it, that someone else will rip him off again, that he should go out and spend another, say, $100,000+ on another car, and then have the gall to tell him what his wife wants him to do?
No. You are not his friend or friend-ly, now are you? You, sir, should go back to lurking or just plain go... Just to be clear, you can continue to post here, but I will hound you incessantly. You should leave. Really.
Let's start in on you. First, you say "an intervention is do". I think (or is that "tink"? I am never sure) you mean it's "due", as in your leaving is overDUE. Then, you say "when it gos wrong" and I assume you meant, when it "goes" (with the E in there) wrong. And, I assume you ended with the 3 commas, meaning them to be ellipses, like I use when I correct your spelling and suggest you don't post anymore... (< "ellipses"... right next to the commas).
Or, as I said, stay around. I will teach you spelling and punctuation, but I can do nothing about your fundamental anger and unpleasantness. No worries, mate. There are others here that will try their level best on that score. Spend a minute composing yourself and then just go away. I hope you can do that better than you composed that terribly written and intentionally nasty post.
Goodbye.
Gordon
Let's see. Say you think you are a friend... After 4 years of hell learning more than he ever wanted to know about 3 rotors and building custom cars and getting fleeced by various people who may have been well-intentioned, but at best ultimately people who were unable to deliver what they promised and what he bought dearly... YOU, his "friend" -- not likely I hope -- try to throw the fear of future reliability problems, tell him no one can fix it, that someone else will rip him off again, that he should go out and spend another, say, $100,000+ on another car, and then have the gall to tell him what his wife wants him to do?
No. You are not his friend or friend-ly, now are you? You, sir, should go back to lurking or just plain go... Just to be clear, you can continue to post here, but I will hound you incessantly. You should leave. Really.
Let's start in on you. First, you say "an intervention is do". I think (or is that "tink"? I am never sure) you mean it's "due", as in your leaving is overDUE. Then, you say "when it gos wrong" and I assume you meant, when it "goes" (with the E in there) wrong. And, I assume you ended with the 3 commas, meaning them to be ellipses, like I use when I correct your spelling and suggest you don't post anymore... (< "ellipses"... right next to the commas).
Or, as I said, stay around. I will teach you spelling and punctuation, but I can do nothing about your fundamental anger and unpleasantness. No worries, mate. There are others here that will try their level best on that score. Spend a minute composing yourself and then just go away. I hope you can do that better than you composed that terribly written and intentionally nasty post.
Goodbye.
Gordon
Oh well.I know you will be enjoying her purr... no I mean roar, in no time at all. At this point, who cares about a rebuilt turbo? That is an easy fix! You will catch your unicorn soon enough.
Regards,
James
P.S. Gordon, spectacular ownage!
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From: Cockaigne
Well, usually no new news is good right? Not exactly in this case.
The good news is the car is much improved from my last visit to Gotham. Kudos to the guys for taking care of my long punch list. I got to drive the car and the tune is pretty spot on - no found "holes" in the map with the exception of a long hot start. All of my other fit and finish punch list items were taken care also.
The bad news? As I drove the car I kept saying "this feels lacking, only like 400 HP instead of the 650 dyno you did". Well, turns out it was accurate as my brand new Precision PT 78mm GTS dual ball-bearing turbo has a bad shaft and thus must be replaced/repaired. Gotham shipped it out today and we're looking at a possible two week delay.
On the good news side, the car looks great and I got to spend some quality time with "my other woman". Hopefully someday soon she'll come home with me
The good news is the car is much improved from my last visit to Gotham. Kudos to the guys for taking care of my long punch list. I got to drive the car and the tune is pretty spot on - no found "holes" in the map with the exception of a long hot start. All of my other fit and finish punch list items were taken care also.
The bad news? As I drove the car I kept saying "this feels lacking, only like 400 HP instead of the 650 dyno you did". Well, turns out it was accurate as my brand new Precision PT 78mm GTS dual ball-bearing turbo has a bad shaft and thus must be replaced/repaired. Gotham shipped it out today and we're looking at a possible two week delay.
On the good news side, the car looks great and I got to spend some quality time with "my other woman". Hopefully someday soon she'll come home with me
Dang it David, right when I'm moving Jacksonville you're moving to Asheville. Oh well.
I know you will be enjoying her purr... no I mean roar, in no time at all. At this point, who cares about a rebuilt turbo? That is an easy fix! You will catch your unicorn soon enough.
Regards,
James
P.S. Gordon, spectacular ownage!
Oh well.I know you will be enjoying her purr... no I mean roar, in no time at all. At this point, who cares about a rebuilt turbo? That is an easy fix! You will catch your unicorn soon enough.
Regards,
James
P.S. Gordon, spectacular ownage!
I'm now back in Jax after the Gotham trip. It was a good trip. Gotham spent a lot of quality time on the car and it shows in the tuning and drivability of the car. The also took car of my very **** "punch list". Last time there I detailed everything to be fixe/replaced down to missing bolts on the car. The list has gone from 40 items down to a few.
I really wanted everything to be finalized but what can you do? Slap a new turbo on the car and soon I'll be back on the road.
I'm keeping a home in Jacksonville also so you'll still get to see the car.
I'm now back in Jax after the Gotham trip. It was a good trip. Gotham spent a lot of quality time on the car and it shows in the tuning and drivability of the car. The also took car of my very **** "punch list". Last time there I detailed everything to be fixe/replaced down to missing bolts on the car. The list has gone from 40 items down to a few.
I really wanted everything to be finalized but what can you do? Slap a new turbo on the car and soon I'll be back on the road.
I'm now back in Jax after the Gotham trip. It was a good trip. Gotham spent a lot of quality time on the car and it shows in the tuning and drivability of the car. The also took car of my very **** "punch list". Last time there I detailed everything to be fixe/replaced down to missing bolts on the car. The list has gone from 40 items down to a few.
I really wanted everything to be finalized but what can you do? Slap a new turbo on the car and soon I'll be back on the road.
I think I'm going to cut up that video I took wayyyy back in April of '07 so I can post it to YouTube (it's too long right now). The contrast should be night and day when you have new video
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My regrets for the car not being 100% finished, but you have to wonder if a car like that will ever truly be "finished."
I think I'm going to cut up that video I took wayyyy back in April of '07 so I can post it to YouTube (it's too long right now). The contrast should be night and day when you have new video.
I think I'm going to cut up that video I took wayyyy back in April of '07 so I can post it to YouTube (it's too long right now). The contrast should be night and day when you have new video
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How long was that turbo on the car before it went south and I guess the most the turbo's been used is on the dyno lately? The car's like a hot woman who seems to be able to blue-ball you for 4 long, antagonizing years and for some odd reason, we don't seem to mind
Tim
Tim
No get off the forum and finish that degree!
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From: l.a.
david,
precision turbos do have a high number of failures, but this is due mainly to ppl boosting too much on them. since your boost is so low, in your case the opposite may be the culprit. you may need to consider that your compressor is too large for the little amount of boost you're running. 19psi is just not enough boost for a turbo that big. turbos need a minimum amount of compressor tip speed to function efficiently, otherwise they may start to surge. here's a quote from garrett:
"Surge is most commonly experienced when one of two situations exist. The first and most damaging is surge under load. It can be an indication that your compressor is too large. "
maybe something to consider.
precision turbos do have a high number of failures, but this is due mainly to ppl boosting too much on them. since your boost is so low, in your case the opposite may be the culprit. you may need to consider that your compressor is too large for the little amount of boost you're running. 19psi is just not enough boost for a turbo that big. turbos need a minimum amount of compressor tip speed to function efficiently, otherwise they may start to surge. here's a quote from garrett:
"Surge is most commonly experienced when one of two situations exist. The first and most damaging is surge under load. It can be an indication that your compressor is too large. "
maybe something to consider.
david,
precision turbos do have a high number of failures, but this is due mainly to ppl boosting too much on them. since your boost is so low, in your case the opposite may be the culprit. you may need to consider that your compressor is too large for the little amount of boost you're running. 19psi is just not enough boost for a turbo that big. turbos need a minimum amount of compressor tip speed to function efficiently, otherwise they may start to surge. here's a quote from garrett:
"Surge is most commonly experienced when one of two situations exist. The first and most damaging is surge under load. It can be an indication that your compressor is too large. "
maybe something to consider.
precision turbos do have a high number of failures, but this is due mainly to ppl boosting too much on them. since your boost is so low, in your case the opposite may be the culprit. you may need to consider that your compressor is too large for the little amount of boost you're running. 19psi is just not enough boost for a turbo that big. turbos need a minimum amount of compressor tip speed to function efficiently, otherwise they may start to surge. here's a quote from garrett:
"Surge is most commonly experienced when one of two situations exist. The first and most damaging is surge under load. It can be an indication that your compressor is too large. "
maybe something to consider.
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even 2 rotor motors put out enough heat to melt turbos under the right conditions. I would doubt that just dyno tuning would do in the turbo but I guess you never know. I know I've gone through my fair share of turbos under racing conditions.
Yes, but given how things have dragged on and on for me, I'm afraid of posting.
The turbo is back from Precision and Gotham says it's now right - no shaft play. My ecutout is back (it blew an o-ring but is now fixed). I'm now waiting on the tranny to come back. Had some notchy shifting so Gotham sent it out for a rebuild. The shop is in Dallas and they said it would take 4-5 days so that would put it at today for coming back.
That's it for now.
The turbo is back from Precision and Gotham says it's now right - no shaft play. My ecutout is back (it blew an o-ring but is now fixed). I'm now waiting on the tranny to come back. Had some notchy shifting so Gotham sent it out for a rebuild. The shop is in Dallas and they said it would take 4-5 days so that would put it at today for coming back.
That's it for now.
:-( neil
All parts are back at Gotham. The bummer is the tranny had more problems and we needed to order a few specialty parts from Ray at Malloy. These are coming from Japan but Ray is the man and he expects them to be in by the end of this week. Gotham is at a stand still until the tranny gets back as they can't reinstall the down pipe or ecutout until the tranny is in. The new RX8 alternator has to wait until then also.
