Yet another 12:31 customer (victim) unsatisfied
12-26-07, 12:02 AM
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Where is the line that someone has to cross in order to get banned? This issue has been dragging on forever.
NO INSURANCE!!! I guess with the way this 1231 issue has been going I should not be surprised...
Since when does a business devide faults between employees?
Do you expect Sony to track down the person that gave your DVD player the OK sticker when it turned out to be faulty?
Do you expect the Mcdonalds manager to go find the employee that forgot to take off the pickles from your burger and then the seperate employee who forgot to extra salt your fries and have them both fix there individual faults???
1231 you guys do not need to get your act together because it is a lost cause. Instead stop what you are doing and actually do some studying and finish college. Maybe you got a late start on college but you still live at home so this should not be very difficult to do.
mrmarsh I know it is no prize to you but hopefully your message here is strong enough to make you the last victim.
NO INSURANCE!!! I guess with the way this 1231 issue has been going I should not be surprised...
Since when does a business devide faults between employees?
Do you expect Sony to track down the person that gave your DVD player the OK sticker when it turned out to be faulty?
Do you expect the Mcdonalds manager to go find the employee that forgot to take off the pickles from your burger and then the seperate employee who forgot to extra salt your fries and have them both fix there individual faults???
1231 you guys do not need to get your act together because it is a lost cause. Instead stop what you are doing and actually do some studying and finish college. Maybe you got a late start on college but you still live at home so this should not be very difficult to do.
mrmarsh I know it is no prize to you but hopefully your message here is strong enough to make you the last victim.
12-26-07, 11:53 AM
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so....
no insurance on customer's cars...
apparently no insurance on the garage itself...
we already know that you work out of your home, which is normally not a concern, but in this case all roads point to you guys not even being a legal business! If I had to guess, I would think that you do not operate under a business license. That would also mean you most likely dont pay any taxes on your income. It would mean that you guys are in one hell of a lot of trouble when marsh's lawyer files suit against you.
tax evasion
unlawfully operating a business/no license to operate
uninsured
Plus this whole mess with marsh and the damages he has suffered....
if I were you, I would be hopping on this yesterday....seriously....before this ends up in front of a judge and you potentially face criminal charges in addition to getting sued by this customer.
I see a lot of complaining, but not a lot of responsibility. When did you ever decide to believe that your garage burning was his problem? A customer should not have to have their experience dragged out like this because of something on your end that has absolutely nothing to do with him. I dont care what you say about that--your garage is not his problem. And it should not affect the resolution of his problem. You claim to be a company. You claim to be a business providing a service. So, it is time you guys wake up over there and realize what that means. A business doesnt have the luxury of being treated the same as a guy who's just selling a few parts to clear out the basement, or someone who's doing a little work just to help someone else out. You claim to be a BUSINESS. Start acting like one, or stop calling yourself a business.
Which brings me to something that a couple others have mentioned--no one cares which one of you did the damage. You are acting as a whole--as "12:31". That means the company is responsible for whatever any of you guys do. Get your head out of the clouds and get with the program already. You have repeatedly said in this thread that "you are just trying to help your brother pay this debt"....this is YOUR company, no? Let's try taking a little friggin responsibility for once.
As for the communication, let's also try to make that simple--why isnt there just one person from 12:31 communicating on this one? Why are both you and your brother talking to this guy? Cant you see the potential for screwups that could cause? Have one person deal with the communication--it will save you frustration.
marsh, I hope you get this resolved, but it isnt looking too good at this point. This is what I was talking about months ago when I said to you that this will not be a quick fix--that it will be drawn out for some time. It sucks, and it shouldnt have to be, but I knew this would happen back then. You may consider either having your attorney check things out, or you may do it yourself, but I would suggest that you get all the info you can about the legal status of this "business". In the end it may affect your legal options in a bad way.
With just a basic search, it seems that the following permits are REQUIRED to operate an automotive repair business in the San Diego area:
1--business permit issued by city
2--land use, zoning, and sigh permit issued by city
3--police permits may be needed to transport customer's cars, etc etc, issued by city
4--Authority to construct/permit to operate, issued by county
5--Environmental Health permits, issued by county
6--Ficticious name(DBA) filing--issued by county
7--Air Tanks permit, issued by state
8--Automobile Repair Dealer Registration, issued by state
9--Corporation, Company or Partnership Filings, issued by state
10--Anti-Discrimination law, issued by state
11--Industrial Activities Storm Water General Permit, issued by state
12--Occupational Safety and Health Information, issued by state
13--Registration Form for Employers, issued by state
14--Wage & Hour, issued by state
15--Waste Discharge Requirements, issued by state
16--Workers' Compensation, issued by state
17--Employer Identification Number, federal
18--Proof of residency requirement, federal
19--Technician EPA Certification(if you work on a/c), federal
That is just so you can legally operate an auto repair business in CA....and since you obviously have at least one other person there besides yourself, all of the "employee" requirements are met as well. If you dont have all of this in order, I would do whatever it took to keep yourself out of a courtroom if I were you, chief...
Oh, yeah, you can add to that the repairs you made to your garage....but hey, since youre using a residential-zoned property for your "business" anyways, I think we all know that you dont have all of this in order.
no insurance on customer's cars...
apparently no insurance on the garage itself...
we already know that you work out of your home, which is normally not a concern, but in this case all roads point to you guys not even being a legal business! If I had to guess, I would think that you do not operate under a business license. That would also mean you most likely dont pay any taxes on your income. It would mean that you guys are in one hell of a lot of trouble when marsh's lawyer files suit against you.
tax evasion
unlawfully operating a business/no license to operate
uninsured
Plus this whole mess with marsh and the damages he has suffered....
if I were you, I would be hopping on this yesterday....seriously....before this ends up in front of a judge and you potentially face criminal charges in addition to getting sued by this customer.
I see a lot of complaining, but not a lot of responsibility. When did you ever decide to believe that your garage burning was his problem? A customer should not have to have their experience dragged out like this because of something on your end that has absolutely nothing to do with him. I dont care what you say about that--your garage is not his problem. And it should not affect the resolution of his problem. You claim to be a company. You claim to be a business providing a service. So, it is time you guys wake up over there and realize what that means. A business doesnt have the luxury of being treated the same as a guy who's just selling a few parts to clear out the basement, or someone who's doing a little work just to help someone else out. You claim to be a BUSINESS. Start acting like one, or stop calling yourself a business.
Which brings me to something that a couple others have mentioned--no one cares which one of you did the damage. You are acting as a whole--as "12:31". That means the company is responsible for whatever any of you guys do. Get your head out of the clouds and get with the program already. You have repeatedly said in this thread that "you are just trying to help your brother pay this debt"....this is YOUR company, no? Let's try taking a little friggin responsibility for once.
As for the communication, let's also try to make that simple--why isnt there just one person from 12:31 communicating on this one? Why are both you and your brother talking to this guy? Cant you see the potential for screwups that could cause? Have one person deal with the communication--it will save you frustration.
marsh, I hope you get this resolved, but it isnt looking too good at this point. This is what I was talking about months ago when I said to you that this will not be a quick fix--that it will be drawn out for some time. It sucks, and it shouldnt have to be, but I knew this would happen back then. You may consider either having your attorney check things out, or you may do it yourself, but I would suggest that you get all the info you can about the legal status of this "business". In the end it may affect your legal options in a bad way.
With just a basic search, it seems that the following permits are REQUIRED to operate an automotive repair business in the San Diego area:
1--business permit issued by city
2--land use, zoning, and sigh permit issued by city
3--police permits may be needed to transport customer's cars, etc etc, issued by city
4--Authority to construct/permit to operate, issued by county
5--Environmental Health permits, issued by county
6--Ficticious name(DBA) filing--issued by county
7--Air Tanks permit, issued by state
8--Automobile Repair Dealer Registration, issued by state
9--Corporation, Company or Partnership Filings, issued by state
10--Anti-Discrimination law, issued by state
11--Industrial Activities Storm Water General Permit, issued by state
12--Occupational Safety and Health Information, issued by state
13--Registration Form for Employers, issued by state
14--Wage & Hour, issued by state
15--Waste Discharge Requirements, issued by state
16--Workers' Compensation, issued by state
17--Employer Identification Number, federal
18--Proof of residency requirement, federal
19--Technician EPA Certification(if you work on a/c), federal
That is just so you can legally operate an auto repair business in CA....and since you obviously have at least one other person there besides yourself, all of the "employee" requirements are met as well. If you dont have all of this in order, I would do whatever it took to keep yourself out of a courtroom if I were you, chief...
Oh, yeah, you can add to that the repairs you made to your garage....but hey, since youre using a residential-zoned property for your "business" anyways, I think we all know that you dont have all of this in order.
12-26-07, 04:52 PM
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just to clarify, the damage done to my car...was done while they were picking up my car! and the truck and trailer they used to pick up my car had no insurance. nice shiny new truck but go figure no insurance! goin to attempt having my lawyer and insurance company handle it as a traffic collision and plan B is to make sure they dont have the opportunity to tell people they have a "shop" when theres no such thing, its just their home garage. Its not a good thing for future customers and apparently not for them either since there newest homes garage just recently caught on fire.
12-26-07, 04:58 PM
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Teddy, just to clarify what we agreed on.
I will be sending you out some paperwork on friday and once you receive this i will be getting a check in the mail within one week.
payment should include compensation for:
interior cleaning
supercharger fitting/bracket
strut bar coating
and that nobody will be able to pay me until february for the damage done to my car??
I will be sending you out some paperwork on friday and once you receive this i will be getting a check in the mail within one week.
payment should include compensation for:
interior cleaning
supercharger fitting/bracket
strut bar coating
and that nobody will be able to pay me until february for the damage done to my car??
12-26-07, 06:26 PM
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this is teddys brother macelo my brother and i agreed to pay marcelo 300 by friday in which i will pay in person and will pay the rest in february howevever until february macelo will be seeking legal advice which i dont have a problem with because court is fine with me too
12-26-07, 09:35 PM
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Is it to difficult for you guys to make an account listed as 12:31 or atleast two individual accounts so you dont have to always be dealing with issues such as" my brother said this" and "that was my brother using my account" etc...
Oh and if you are fine with court then you must be fine with paying more than you already owe. I highly suggest you two or 12:31 find someone to get a loan or barrow the money to get this resolved ASAP so you dont regret it for a long long time.
Oh and if you are fine with court then you must be fine with paying more than you already owe. I highly suggest you two or 12:31 find someone to get a loan or barrow the money to get this resolved ASAP so you dont regret it for a long long time.
12-26-07, 09:43 PM
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this is teddys brother macelo my brother and i agreed to pay marcelo 300 by friday in which i will pay in person and will pay the rest in february howevever until february macelo will be seeking legal advice which i dont have a problem with because court is fine with me too
The worst part of this mess is that our cars arent getting any newer and we need quality vendors to keep them going....and then clowns like you come along, advertise their "business", and illegally operate for profit. There is a reason that the laws are in place. Perhaps some of your local law enforcement and government agencies would be interested in paying your "shop" a visit....
EDIT--as of right now, according to the CA state SOS website, there is no business permit currently issued for your "company". So tell us again how much court wouldnt bother you. Fines, closure of "business", possible restrictions to your driving privledges, and some of these can even carry jail time....
12-26-07, 10:41 PM
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it's funny how on the contract it says we would do work for marcelo that marcelo wrote himself., we never not once mentioned we were a shop. But keep up the good work your doing a good job. We don't make enough money, nor produce enough work and cars to be considered a shop, that it would actually force us to get a business license. On top of that we have only worked on a total of 5 cars in our whole life time other then our own
People tend to assume were a shop because of the sticker that is placed on our cars. When in Actuality the sticker only represents us being a crew. others people in and outside this forum refer to us as a shop because from time to time we do work for people, or sell parts.
But if selling parts and working on peoples cars every now and then is illegal then he/she should make mowing lawns for neighbors to make a little extra cash and garage sales sales illegal too
But keep up the good work, like i said again he is getting legal advice for a small claims court amount.
Good jazz either way we do not have a problem paying if we go to court or not.
over and out
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People tend to assume were a shop because of the sticker that is placed on our cars. When in Actuality the sticker only represents us being a crew. others people in and outside this forum refer to us as a shop because from time to time we do work for people, or sell parts.
But if selling parts and working on peoples cars every now and then is illegal then he/she should make mowing lawns for neighbors to make a little extra cash and garage sales sales illegal too
But keep up the good work, like i said again he is getting legal advice for a small claims court amount.
Good jazz either way we do not have a problem paying if we go to court or not.
over and out
bump
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12-26-07, 11:49 PM
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you sure arent that smart if court would be fine with you. The reason I say this is because you stand to be slapped with numerous fines at the very least, and that is just for the way you guys run your "business" illegally. Add to that other things like having no insurance on that truck and it could also affect the status of things like your driver's license too. But hey, someone who tries to short-cut everything like you two have deserves court. Youre violating easily a half dozen or more different local and state laws, not to mention the federal end of things like the EPA's concerns. But thats cool--court's fine with you. I sincerely hope you find out.
The worst part of this mess is that our cars arent getting any newer and we need quality vendors to keep them going....and then clowns like you come along, advertise their "business", and illegally operate for profit. There is a reason that the laws are in place. Perhaps some of your local law enforcement and government agencies would be interested in paying your "shop" a visit....
EDIT--as of right now, according to the CA state SOS website, there is no business permit currently issued for your "company". So tell us again how much court wouldnt bother you. Fines, closure of "business", possible restrictions to your driving privledges, and some of these can even carry jail time....
The worst part of this mess is that our cars arent getting any newer and we need quality vendors to keep them going....and then clowns like you come along, advertise their "business", and illegally operate for profit. There is a reason that the laws are in place. Perhaps some of your local law enforcement and government agencies would be interested in paying your "shop" a visit....
EDIT--as of right now, according to the CA state SOS website, there is no business permit currently issued for your "company". So tell us again how much court wouldnt bother you. Fines, closure of "business", possible restrictions to your driving privledges, and some of these can even carry jail time....
12-27-07, 12:00 AM
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What's funny is what you have listed in your profile:
"Interests:
Drag racing, building and custom fabrication through our shop 12:31 motorsports"
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
"Interests:
Drag racing, building and custom fabrication through our shop 12:31 motorsports"
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
it's funny how on the contract it says we would do work for marcelo that marcelo wrote himself., we never not once mentioned we were a shop. But keep up the good work your doing a good job. We don't make enough money, nor produce enough work and cars to be considered a shop, that it would actually force us to get a business license. On top of that we have only worked on a total of 5 cars in our whole life time other then our own
People tend to assume were a shop because of the sticker that is placed on our cars. When in Actuality the sticker only represents us being a crew. others people in and outside this forum refer to us as a shop because from time to time we do work for people, or sell parts.
But if selling parts and working on peoples cars every now and then is illegal then he/she should make mowing lawns for neighbors to make a little extra cash and garage sales sales illegal too
But keep up the good work, like i said again he is getting legal advice for a small claims court amount.
Good jazz either way we do not have a problem paying if we go to court or not.
over and out
bump
People tend to assume were a shop because of the sticker that is placed on our cars. When in Actuality the sticker only represents us being a crew. others people in and outside this forum refer to us as a shop because from time to time we do work for people, or sell parts.
But if selling parts and working on peoples cars every now and then is illegal then he/she should make mowing lawns for neighbors to make a little extra cash and garage sales sales illegal too
But keep up the good work, like i said again he is getting legal advice for a small claims court amount.
Good jazz either way we do not have a problem paying if we go to court or not.
over and out
bump
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12-27-07, 12:09 AM
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the way I see it, you are not in any position to spout off being a smart *** about now.
So, in the interest of honesty, let's clarify some stuff, you and me, right now.
Let's revisit a post you yourself made on the first page of this thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...8&postcount=12
Sooooo....which is it?? First you said youre "good at fabbing for all makes and model cars"....and now, it mysteriously turns into only "a total of 5 cars"?? Someone's lying out their *** in here......and it aint me....you clearly posted that earlier to try to make your "mad skillz" sound far more substantial than you wanna claim now. Thanks for contradicting yourself, "jazz".
again, a lie from you. How incredibly...unsurprising....this was posted by you in one of your other recent negative feedback threads:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=58
8/21/07:
Soooo....it was most definitely a shop that you guys were working to get off the ground, even by your own words, back then.....UNTIL, that is, someone brings up the fact that you are operating way illegally. Youre gonna have to do better than this crap, really.
Any questions? Didnt think so
Now youre just being a moron. A garage sale or mowing the lawn does not involve wastes such as oil and grease, in quantities such as are found when working on cars, which are regulated by the government for environmental control. Nor do they usually involve a conflict in zoning, which is present when you use a residentially-zoned property as a business, dipstick. Hell, in many places you need a permit to have a garage sale nowadays!
Look, I dont give a damn how you try to cover your *** on this one--the simple fact is that you are wrong. You ARE calling this a shop--your own words proved it. And the law makes no distinction--it doesnt matter if you work on one car all year--if you perform auto repair for profit, you are subject to those laws, PERIOD. It doesnt matter if you work on five cars or five thousand. You are on this forum selling your services--THAT IS A BUSINESS, you idiot. The permit and license requirements I mentioned do not have a minimum income requirement--anyone wishing to operate an auto repair shop, which is clearly you, needs those permits and licenses. You dont have any of them. You are thus operating illegally. Case closed. No amount of you lying and trying to claim otherwise now will change your obvious intentions or your earlier statements about those intentions. Thanks for playing.
Good for him....maybe you should wise up to reality a little bit. He doesnt need to do anything over these other issues. He is taking you to court for the way you guys have done him wrong. There are plenty of other ways for the courts, or even for us in here, to handle your other BS. just keep on pushing me with your ridiculous smartass comments, and you will see what I am getting at first hand. You arent even smart enough to put this all together--the comments I quoted from you in here are part of a permanent and admissable record of evidence. What you said in August can be used against you legally today. So, all the comments about how you are getting your "shop" running will prove the point all by themselves. As will the ones you just posted, where you lied out your *** because you arent responsible enough to be honest, let alone do this legally.
As for the good work, I didnt do anything--you are the one who lied all by yourself. All I did was point it out. Damn dude, how stupid are you?? EVEN ON YOUR PROFILE YOU CALL THIS A SHOP!!
Here you are talking, back in August, about all the preparations you plan on making for your "shop":
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=79
more--here you are advertising and bragging about work you've done:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=79
Here's another one where youre claiming that you will finally go legit.....
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=111
That was months ago....and still it hasnt happened.....
So...still gonna tell me that this was never described as a shop? Still gonna lie and claim that only others called it that....that you only had a "crew" instead? Or are you actually going to be a man and handle your business like one??
So, in the interest of honesty, let's clarify some stuff, you and me, right now.
it's funny how on the contract it says we would do work for marcelo that marcelo wrote himself., we never not once mentioned we were a shop. But keep up the good work your doing a good job. We don't make enough money, nor produce enough work and cars to be considered a shop, that it would actually force us to get a business license. On top of that we have only worked on a total of 5 cars in our whole life time other then our own
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...8&postcount=12
Yeah i know but when your good at somethin like fabbing parts for all makes and model cars you do what you got to do.
People tend to assume were a shop because of the sticker that is placed on our cars. When in Actuality the sticker only represents us being a crew. others people in and outside this forum refer to us as a shop because from time to time we do work for people, or sell parts.
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=58
8/21/07:
In answering your message above no matter how many bad comments are said about me, and the shop my brother are trying to create working out of my mothers garage im still cool with this and everyone's thoughts and opinons, and everything that happens here on out.
Any questions? Didnt think so
But if selling parts and working on peoples cars every now and then is illegal then he/she should make mowing lawns for neighbors to make a little extra cash and garage sales sales illegal too
Look, I dont give a damn how you try to cover your *** on this one--the simple fact is that you are wrong. You ARE calling this a shop--your own words proved it. And the law makes no distinction--it doesnt matter if you work on one car all year--if you perform auto repair for profit, you are subject to those laws, PERIOD. It doesnt matter if you work on five cars or five thousand. You are on this forum selling your services--THAT IS A BUSINESS, you idiot. The permit and license requirements I mentioned do not have a minimum income requirement--anyone wishing to operate an auto repair shop, which is clearly you, needs those permits and licenses. You dont have any of them. You are thus operating illegally. Case closed. No amount of you lying and trying to claim otherwise now will change your obvious intentions or your earlier statements about those intentions. Thanks for playing.
But keep up the good work, like i said again he is getting legal advice for a small claims court amount.
As for the good work, I didnt do anything--you are the one who lied all by yourself. All I did was point it out. Damn dude, how stupid are you?? EVEN ON YOUR PROFILE YOU CALL THIS A SHOP!!
Drag racing, building and custom fabrication through our shop 12:31 motorsports
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=79
more--here you are advertising and bragging about work you've done:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=79
Here's another one where youre claiming that you will finally go legit.....
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=111
That was months ago....and still it hasnt happened.....
So...still gonna tell me that this was never described as a shop? Still gonna lie and claim that only others called it that....that you only had a "crew" instead? Or are you actually going to be a man and handle your business like one??
12-27-07, 12:18 AM
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We all have a part in crap like this because everyone who has spent money on their 7's deserves to have a safe transaction from a real business, when the person claims they are a real business.
Additionally, I get involved in things like this with the mods blessing because of the time, effort, and often money I put in to help other forum members in this section, and all while getting nothing back in return.
Seriously, why would you even ask a question like this? This is a guy that has just been caught lying out his *** about what he supposedly represents--and the claims he has made about what he represents have caused forum members to send him money because of it! ANYONE who spends money thru forums like this has the right to know the facts. Thats what this section is even here for! He just got caught trying to change his tune, because it became known that he is not running a legit shop.....and even though he spent all that time calling it a shop and claiming to be going legit months ago, all he has done is take more peoples money and even **** off some of those customers. A legit business gives the customer recourse because there are things you can do legally against one. But he is not one, only claims to be one when he is trying to get someone else to send him $$$$
And you dont see a problem with that, simply because he worked on your car before? Here's a clue--a legit business would have resolved these issues months ago with these customers. There is no excuse at all for the way they treat their paying customers, so stop trying to give them one by being more worried about me than the problem.
Additionally, I get involved in things like this with the mods blessing because of the time, effort, and often money I put in to help other forum members in this section, and all while getting nothing back in return.
Seriously, why would you even ask a question like this? This is a guy that has just been caught lying out his *** about what he supposedly represents--and the claims he has made about what he represents have caused forum members to send him money because of it! ANYONE who spends money thru forums like this has the right to know the facts. Thats what this section is even here for! He just got caught trying to change his tune, because it became known that he is not running a legit shop.....and even though he spent all that time calling it a shop and claiming to be going legit months ago, all he has done is take more peoples money and even **** off some of those customers. A legit business gives the customer recourse because there are things you can do legally against one. But he is not one, only claims to be one when he is trying to get someone else to send him $$$$
And you dont see a problem with that, simply because he worked on your car before? Here's a clue--a legit business would have resolved these issues months ago with these customers. There is no excuse at all for the way they treat their paying customers, so stop trying to give them one by being more worried about me than the problem.
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We all have a part in crap like this because everyone who has spent money on their 7's deserves to have a safe transaction from a real business, when the person claims they are a real business.
Additionally, I get involved in things like this with the mods blessing because of the time, effort, and often money I put in to help other forum members in this section, and all while getting nothing back in return.
Seriously, why would you even ask a question like this? This is a guy that has just been caught lying out his *** about what he supposedly represents--and the claims he has made about what he represents have caused forum members to send him money because of it! ANYONE who spends money thru forums like this has the right to know the facts. Thats what this section is even here for! He just got caught trying to change his tune, because it became known that he is not running a legit shop.....and even though he spent all that time calling it a shop and claiming to be going legit months ago, all he has done is take more peoples money and even **** off some of those customers. A legit business gives the customer recourse because there are things you can do legally against one. But he is not one, only claims to be one when he is trying to get someone else to send him $$$$
And you dont see a problem with that, simply because he worked on your car before? Here's a clue--a legit business would have resolved these issues months ago with these customers. There is no excuse at all for the way they treat their paying customers, so stop trying to give them one by being more worried about me than the problem.
Additionally, I get involved in things like this with the mods blessing because of the time, effort, and often money I put in to help other forum members in this section, and all while getting nothing back in return.
Seriously, why would you even ask a question like this? This is a guy that has just been caught lying out his *** about what he supposedly represents--and the claims he has made about what he represents have caused forum members to send him money because of it! ANYONE who spends money thru forums like this has the right to know the facts. Thats what this section is even here for! He just got caught trying to change his tune, because it became known that he is not running a legit shop.....and even though he spent all that time calling it a shop and claiming to be going legit months ago, all he has done is take more peoples money and even **** off some of those customers. A legit business gives the customer recourse because there are things you can do legally against one. But he is not one, only claims to be one when he is trying to get someone else to send him $$$$
And you dont see a problem with that, simply because he worked on your car before? Here's a clue--a legit business would have resolved these issues months ago with these customers. There is no excuse at all for the way they treat their paying customers, so stop trying to give them one by being more worried about me than the problem.
12-27-07, 12:41 AM
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we could do this for days...
someone asks if his "shop" was legit....this was his answer back in April 2007:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...95&postcount=3
same thread, also in April, he says this:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=34
but all of a sudden today he claims differently...
There isnt a person here that should not have a problem with this behavior. This guy pretends to be a legit shop when he is trying to drum up business, but the minute that someone is on to him, suddenly "we never claimed we were a shop".
This is exactly the kind of garbage that no forum needs
someone asks if his "shop" was legit....this was his answer back in April 2007:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...95&postcount=3
as legit as could be what ever you all need we can do just hit me up im doing work for el nene and another person here on the forum.
I charge cheap to get people's attention here on the forum, to make new friends and get more buisness, and always have returning customers. go to el nene's page in the second gen section for eye candy
I charge cheap to get people's attention here on the forum, to make new friends and get more buisness, and always have returning customers. go to el nene's page in the second gen section for eye candy
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=34
Im a shop trying to come up, and in order to keep my customers, i have to keep my prices low. Cuz i want my customers to keep coming back and i always want new customers. Thanks for the comment
People tend to assume were a shop because of the sticker that is placed on our cars. When in Actuality the sticker only represents us being a crew. others people in and outside this forum refer to us as a shop because from time to time we do work for people, or sell parts.
we never not once mentioned we were a shop.
This is exactly the kind of garbage that no forum needs
12-27-07, 12:42 AM
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For all of you so that you know. Jon/rx7roller02 has my blessing and authorization to be involved in these situations. He is making an effort to help out the members here to ensure that they do not get taken by poor business practices.
All of you should be thankful that he cares enough to dedicate his time in these matters.
All of you should be thankful that he cares enough to dedicate his time in these matters.
12-27-07, 01:13 AM
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Okay so you did your home work good job so now where do we go from here?
And what is the point here, what are you trying to prove?
Nope have nothing to lie about. If its some where that my brother and myself work out of then we consider it a shop not a business.
Of course we consider it a business when money is involved but we have never made enough money to be considered as what you call it a "Legit Business"
Can you find anywhere in my 2400 + post about my brother and myself celebrating the day that we actually got the business lic. NO!!! cause we never followed through with it and we never kept up with it.
There has to be a certain amount of income + a certain amount of work + a certain amount of cars = to actually be considered a shop or in your eyes a legit business to actually follow through to make our shop our garage a legit business/shop as mentioned above.
So we got skills, we can fab, we can work on cars. our tools, and garage is our shop it is where we work out of so what. Im not saying anything different or backing out of what ever I have said. So please explain to me what your trying to get at?
And by all means my friend I' am not being rude or disrespectful just trying to figure out what your point of view is, is all.
And what is the point here, what are you trying to prove?
Nope have nothing to lie about. If its some where that my brother and myself work out of then we consider it a shop not a business.
Of course we consider it a business when money is involved but we have never made enough money to be considered as what you call it a "Legit Business"
Can you find anywhere in my 2400 + post about my brother and myself celebrating the day that we actually got the business lic. NO!!! cause we never followed through with it and we never kept up with it.
There has to be a certain amount of income + a certain amount of work + a certain amount of cars = to actually be considered a shop or in your eyes a legit business to actually follow through to make our shop our garage a legit business/shop as mentioned above.
So we got skills, we can fab, we can work on cars. our tools, and garage is our shop it is where we work out of so what. Im not saying anything different or backing out of what ever I have said. So please explain to me what your trying to get at?
And by all means my friend I' am not being rude or disrespectful just trying to figure out what your point of view is, is all.
12-27-07, 01:21 AM
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So we got skills, we can fab, we can work on cars. our tools, and garage is our shop it is where we work out of so what. Im not saying anything different or backing out of what ever I have said. So please explain to me what your trying to get at?
You forgot one: We F U people's car and don't want to pay for it.
You forgot one: We F U people's car and don't want to pay for it.
12-27-07, 01:32 AM
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Yes we did mess his car up it was an accident and we admit to it. And we are going to pay. Stay on the subject, roller is talking about the fact of us being a shop/ business and im just trying to figure what he is trying to say or get at? Since this incident we have stopped all projects for all forum members because we just don't want to be framed for bad practice, or taking advantage of people which is a little to late but that's okay. I understand everyone's hard feelings and harsh words, I'am okay with all the bad feed back, this is actually a learing lesson for me and my brother.
Jamespond24
Can you please find some where in this thread about me saying that we wouldn't pay?
Jamespond24
Can you please find some where in this thread about me saying that we wouldn't pay?
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12-27-07, 01:39 AM
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Teddyrx2 you or your brother (whomever is on the account right now.) really need to just keep your mouth shut and find a way to pay back Mrmarsh before he seeks legal action against you.
It does not matter if you are making a profit or how many cars you work on at all you still are taking money for a service that you have pushed and sold and advertised. That is what makes your "shop" an illegal business.
Oh and so you know it is illegal to have a lemonade stand, or to mow lawns for money, however this is 99% of the time allowed since it is minors doing these things. So unless you are comparing your shop to a business that a 5 to 15 year old can do then I dont understand how you seem to still think you are not operating an illegal business.
Take your new welder back or sell it along with something else to get yourself out of this mess if you dont have any friends to barrow the money from.
It does not matter if you are making a profit or how many cars you work on at all you still are taking money for a service that you have pushed and sold and advertised. That is what makes your "shop" an illegal business.
Oh and so you know it is illegal to have a lemonade stand, or to mow lawns for money, however this is 99% of the time allowed since it is minors doing these things. So unless you are comparing your shop to a business that a 5 to 15 year old can do then I dont understand how you seem to still think you are not operating an illegal business.
Take your new welder back or sell it along with something else to get yourself out of this mess if you dont have any friends to barrow the money from.
12-27-07, 01:44 AM
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Heres my interpretation of what Jon is saying.
You are speaking in circles. You say you are but you are not. You say you will but you do not.
The fact of the matter is you don't know what you are doing concerning this so called business/garage/shop which all lead to one and the same thing.
He is educating you on what so called venture you are involved in. In the State of CA what you are doing and offering is a violation of the law. Ca is one of the strictest when it comes to these things.
You are also setting your poor mother up for lots of problems with working out of her garage. even if she owns the property it is a violation to perform work out of the garage unless approved by the City. If there is oil/anti-freeze and other chemicals to be found all over then you will have even more issues. We could go on and on but I believe that Jon has already addressed these things.
The only thing that I want to see is a resolve to this situation. your reputation has already been greatly tarnished in my eyes and I am sure many of the members on this Club.
You are speaking in circles. You say you are but you are not. You say you will but you do not.
The fact of the matter is you don't know what you are doing concerning this so called business/garage/shop which all lead to one and the same thing.
He is educating you on what so called venture you are involved in. In the State of CA what you are doing and offering is a violation of the law. Ca is one of the strictest when it comes to these things.
You are also setting your poor mother up for lots of problems with working out of her garage. even if she owns the property it is a violation to perform work out of the garage unless approved by the City. If there is oil/anti-freeze and other chemicals to be found all over then you will have even more issues. We could go on and on but I believe that Jon has already addressed these things.
The only thing that I want to see is a resolve to this situation. your reputation has already been greatly tarnished in my eyes and I am sure many of the members on this Club.
12-27-07, 01:45 AM
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Okay so you did your home work good job so now where do we go from here?
Nope have nothing to lie about.
You have called your operation a shop. You also said you were looking for more customers. You called it a business. You even said that you already were in the process of getting your business license! AT WHAT POINT DO YOU ACTUALLY EXPECT ME OR ANYONE ELSE TO BELIEVE THAT YOU NEVER THOUGHT THAT WAY ABOUT YOUR "SHOP"??
Of course we consider it a business when money is involved but we have never made enough money to be considered as what you call it a "Legit Business"
Can you find anywhere in my 2400 + post about my brother and myself celebrating the day that we actually got the business lic. NO!!! cause we never followed through with it and we never kept up with it.
There has to be a certain amount of income + a certain amount of work + a certain amount of cars = to actually be considered a shop or in your eyes a legit business to actually follow through to make our shop our garage a legit business/shop as mentioned above.
Also, since you dont get this much either, you are not allowed by law to operate your business on residential-only zoned land. But since you obviously have no clue whatsoever about how this all works, I am not surprised to see that you got that wrong too.
So we got skills, we can fab, we can work on cars. our tools, and garage is our shop it is where we work out of so what. Im not saying anything different or backing out of what ever I have said. So please explain to me what your trying to get at?
YOU WANT MONEY--
"I am a legit shop, as legit as can be, we can fab anything, no job too big...."
THE **** HITS THE FAN--
"I never once said I was a legit shop"
tell me again how you never contradicted yourself
And by all means my friend I' am not being rude or disrespectful just trying to figure out what your point of view is, is all.
as for me, I wasnt being rude either. But then you had to sound off like that. You simply have no clue what youre even talking about, especially when it comes to starting a business and what the laws are. That puts you as the last person that has any business trying to be such a smartass about the topic. go check the laws out there, and when you find that the IRS doesnt require a certain amount of income first, and that the licenses must be obtained before you open your doors for business, maybe then you'll get the picture.
12-27-07, 01:46 AM
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This has been teddy for the last few post, maybe you didn't read above but read between the post now that payment is being made come this friday.
Well then it is what is.
I'am not worried about him taking legal action people will do what he/she want to do, there is nothing i can do. But continue smile and keep my head up.
Well then it is what is.
I'am not worried about him taking legal action people will do what he/she want to do, there is nothing i can do. But continue smile and keep my head up.
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12-27-07, 02:03 AM
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Hey teddy , You should read your zoning laws like chapter 13 ( residential zoning ). If a neighbor calls code enforcement on you, you can be hit with big fines. I know because I had a neighbor out of anger called code enforcement on me for working on my cars. Its not fun having someone watching every move you make. I would pay mrmarsh in full and become legit shop. The law will catch up with you. Hope it all goes well.
Thanks Robert
Thanks Robert