I don't have a dog in this fight one way or the other. I have no doubt that one or both parties has been victimized. However you do realize that consistently posting comments referring to vague, unknown sources saying, "this or that" makes YOU look bad? Unless you have a Shop Name and Shop Owner willing to back those comments on the forum, you should probably leave them out of your posts. If you truly do have legal representation, he would most likely advise the same.

I'm sure you are a nice guy and eventually the truth will come out. However most of your posts seem quite emotional and not very well thought out. In my opinion this is doing you more harm than good. Something to think about. Good luck with your situation.

 

i dont understand how u can say will the truth come out?
did i pay for my twin turbos to be made in fulll.... yes.... did i get what i paid for in functional order? no........... did elliot blow my other motor under his control with the non functional twins? yes......... did elliot do that crap bridgeport......... yes...... did he leave my car outside yes.........

is he denying any of this? no.........

u say i post stuff under emotion well..... ofcourse i should not even have to defend my self at all on this thread its ridiculous.

 

With all due respect to you, if you know you dont have a dog in the fight, then perhaps you should stay out of the fight.

This is for everyone here--the purpose of this place is NOT to critique the posting skills of the OP. So lets give that a rest here and now. The purpose of this thread is to try to get some sort of resolution to a situation that very obviously needs it. And these posts do nothing but distract from that goal. So, if ANYONE has designs on posting in one of these threads, it needs to be kept to the issue at hand and not about critiquing the OP's emotional level, posting style, or whatever else. Youre talking about a guy that spent THOUSANDS of dollars at a shop that wouldnt even give him a receipt showing what was paid and what it was paid for. Imagine how "emotional" the average person would be, spending this much money, getting lied to about what it was going for, and the whole rest of this mess?

I think I have made my point.

 

As to the pink paint- I think everyone with a red FD, or FC, knows that those old red paint jobs polish right up and shine great. They oxidize fast. It has been said he "polished it up right before Sevenstock", they do not last unless kept under a cover or in a garage, and even then it will fade back.
You can see through the hatch picture there is gray primer showing in the jamb so you know the paint is of typical quality of its time.

I base this on the fact that I had my own detail shop for 5 years, managed 2 others before that, and since 1995 I have been in the refinishing and custom end of things, I own a shop that has been in business since 1964 and is very well known in my field, so I am not talking out my butt on this one.

Those cheaper "cf" hoods when not clear coated will also not last long out in the elements.

It sucks that your car was outside, but in a year's time you had to know it was out there?


Most business will not give a receipt when it comes to cash, the whole point of paying cash is not to save on sales tax. You can give a handwritten receipt and throw the copy away but somewhere someone will have a paper trail of what went down. ANY business owner knows this as well. If someone presses me I write them up as a estimate.

 

unless you were actually there its hard to explain, i trusted elliot with my car he always kept my car in the shop the first 2 years. The 3rd year was lots of time him working on the car if my car has a blown engine whats the point of me stopping by? arizona summer time sun will eat through any paint in just one month of being outside.

my car never looked this bad even before any buffing was involved.

thats an expensive *** carbon fiber hood. it must have took a very long time for that hood to get like that.

 

I would say that after spending all the money you did I would have sent the car out for a detail, first impressions are everything and once people are turned off they start to really look for things, and for good reason.

 

and i agree but when you spend a lot of money and get nothing in return you have to redo everything. i was planning on something sick with the car.

 

Thats the great thing about doing the job youself.You only have yourself to blame

 

heres a small update since my car engine rebuild is currently in progress..... the used rotor housing that elliot gave me with the crap porting job is an N/A housing.

 

You do know N/A housings work fine in turbo motors as long as they have matching spark plug locations right? Sorry, stupid me, I just read this whole thread, of course you don't.

 

I run the NA S5 housings a lot and compared to most FD housings they are much nicer. They dont suffer from the spark plug cracking nearly as bad or show as much wear above the trailing spark plug. The NAs usually just dont see as much abuse and are often times just nicer. Of course I run Turbo exhaust sleeves only.

Not saying he gave you a good housing just trying to clarify for anyone reading.

 

ummm this is like a stock 86 n/a housing and he didnt even tell me what he was giving me. i dont need no gay *** n/a housing, everything outta my engine is gonna be perfect.

just out of curiosity whats the fastest track time you had out of a rotary engine djseven?

 

How can you tell it is specifically an '86 n/a housing?

 

No offence but what does this have to do with anything? He's expressing his idea as an engine builder. If some may disagree or even if you do, speak up and say what you believe from your experience. Having a fast car on the track means nothing about the housing or the quality of the motor build itself.

 

because of the placement of the spark plugs. if you compare an n/a housing to an rew engine one of the spark plugs would be higher than the other.

 

you say....... having a fast car on the track means nothing about the housing or quality of the motor build itself?????? ummm what?

having a fast track car means everything to builds, quality and engine abuse.

at this point if you dont atleast have a rotary car running consistent 10s with actual proof dont even try and come on my thread trying to say that certain things work on certain engines because that is just wack. that was my mistake going with elliot in the first place all talk and pictures but no action.

people cheat with dynos so please only tracks, thank you.

 

Are you saying that people who do r&d are wasting there time? Are you also saying that making sure all of the tolerances in the engine are correct is also a waste of time? I would have to highly disagree. Precision is power. The longevity of an engine is highly affected by build quality, and quality of the parts. The reason my car works as well as it does has everything to do with the build quality of my engine. Im making 523whp from a 35r/ 1.00ar with 14lbs on a 13b. My car has ben running for 3 years now. My engine's performance has everything to do with the "quality of the motor build".

Also the op is a customer. The op also payed good money. I don't know about you but money does not grow on trees for me. The op deserves to get what he payed for. Your kind of thinking is why every one thinks rotaries are blown-up relics of the past, and why people consistently pay for trash with a smile on there face.

 

FDWarrior stop jumping into your own conclusions and stop stirring things up in your head. I never said anything like you and the op imagine i said.

maybe i need to rephrase as its possibly not clear neither to you neither to the OP.....

HAVING A FAST CAR ON THE TRACK SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE MOTOR is what i said. Maybe i should had said, HAVING A QUALITY MOTOR MEANS NOTHING, ABOUT GOING FAST ON THE TRACK... What makes you think that a well built setup only relies on the motor? A bad wheel alignment will slow you down, Does it mean your motor is not good? A great motor will be in pieces with a bad tune..is the motor good or bad in this case? Fuel starvation or even bad fuel can turn your perfect motor into pieces...WHAT DOES THAT SAY? NOTHING

A member on this forum had a bad seal from detonating his engine.. the car run for a whole year HARD doing fast track times and never had a real issue... maybe this is hard to believe but i have seen the results before and after his rebuild

A worn set of tires Will also slow you down... WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE MOTOR...?

Take enzo's example... he got a motor from the junkyard with 70k miles from the factory, put it in a car with a lot of other stuff and ran 9.85... so hows the quality of the motor in this case?


Point out where i said where one thing works and one doesnt. You decided it was best to be an ******* to djseven for no reason, because he said something related to the housing that was general information. Or was it something you didnt want to hear?

I personally did have issues with Elliot, I spoke to him and the problem was solved. i suggest you to do the same instead of pointing fingers to other directions.

 

Um.... some of the *sloppiest* engine 'builders' I've seen have been avid drag racers. Not saying this is the case with all of them, but IMO drag racing is much more stressful on a car's drivetrain than on the engine. Guys with very fast drag cars can sometimes get away in a pinch with slapping an engine together, reusing seals, not checking all their clearances etc because it's only making a couple of passes running through the gears. Street cars seeing lots of mileage, road race cars, etc are a different ballgame.

Amunoz, the more you post in this thread, the more it seems that you really are in over your head.

Listen to this well guys---- if you don't have a horse in this race, than from here on out DON'T POST. And Amunoz, unless you have some kind of update to the situation, the same goes for you.

Consider this a friendly warning, from here on out I'll be handing out short vacations, followed by long vacations.

 

i wasnt tryin to be a dick to djseven, how can u even say that when im writing or posting on here that has no way to actually express how i am asking him a question. its just a simple question.

as far as the track numbers you are throwing out like i said earlier proof please.

 

agreed.

 

small update....... elliot did not even put up a fight with my bbb complaint now he has no bbb rating.............

 

What are you doing with the engine now?

 

I believe that the shop took back the motor from him. Who knows where its at..
Here is a sneak peak of the New set up..
They are fixing all the cuts that where made to the front.
Hope you dont mind amunoz.....

 

Y dont someone put a OEM core support back in the damn thing like its supposed to be?