View Poll Results: Should I sell the FD?
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What is my 1993 OEM CYM RX-7/FD worth? (Fully built by IR Performance)
FDZero, I think you could get $25k+ if you wait on the right buyer. Original CYM R1's in good stock condition ought to be fetching about 20k. Figure some cash for the wheels, turbo and intercooler kit and you get the $5k bump.
Just my $0.02,
Barban.
Just my $0.02,
Barban.
True, but Miatas represent a different class of budget conscious buyer who likes to do an occasional track day but doesn't want to spend excessive time wrenching. I've talked to alot of them on S2KI. They have zero interest in FDs, other than they like the way they look.
Yes, it's original / OEM CYM as mentioned in original post...and mentioned later into the thread about the "owner registry" paint code.
ysf-r1... Without meaning anything rude, your kind of reasoning is shared by many on here, but is really short-sighted as regards these cars. Ferrari has a reputation for problems and expensive solutions. People still buy them.
It will always be a niche car. Yep. Right. That's a reason why they are collectible. Not a reason why they are not. A Toyota Corlla is a mass appeal car. It is not a niche car. And it is not collectible.
The whole argument that the Japanese aren't known for sports cars doesn't work well either. America didn't produce a sports car until the Corvette. People bought the car anyway. Cars are about cars. Not about who made them. If somebody produces a good car, people recognize it as a good car. Nobody has ever said, "well, sure, its a great car, but its from Siberia, so I won't buy it".
Anyway, my apologies. I knew one or more of the forum members would say exactly what you're saying. It just gets to be a bit frustrating to hear these same (wrong) arguments time after time. But, of course, these are all predictions, so, who knows, you could be right.
And then there's your advice to Mazda that the Rx7 is just an old car racking up miles and they need to build a real replacement but don't have the *****. Well, I'm not sure where to start on that sentiment, but need to check whether you are an Rx7 owner, I suppose. You certainly aren;t a big fan. Or maybe you're one of the guys who like to talk down the FD because they are so much more sophisticated and would really rather have a Ferrari or Porsche. After all those are real sports cars from real sports car producing countries.
Well, it turns out I cannot be very diplomatic, I suppose, when it involves the FD. So, I hope my passion for the cars is enough to forgive me.
Gordon
It will always be a niche car. Yep. Right. That's a reason why they are collectible. Not a reason why they are not. A Toyota Corlla is a mass appeal car. It is not a niche car. And it is not collectible.
The whole argument that the Japanese aren't known for sports cars doesn't work well either. America didn't produce a sports car until the Corvette. People bought the car anyway. Cars are about cars. Not about who made them. If somebody produces a good car, people recognize it as a good car. Nobody has ever said, "well, sure, its a great car, but its from Siberia, so I won't buy it".
Anyway, my apologies. I knew one or more of the forum members would say exactly what you're saying. It just gets to be a bit frustrating to hear these same (wrong) arguments time after time. But, of course, these are all predictions, so, who knows, you could be right.
And then there's your advice to Mazda that the Rx7 is just an old car racking up miles and they need to build a real replacement but don't have the *****. Well, I'm not sure where to start on that sentiment, but need to check whether you are an Rx7 owner, I suppose. You certainly aren;t a big fan. Or maybe you're one of the guys who like to talk down the FD because they are so much more sophisticated and would really rather have a Ferrari or Porsche. After all those are real sports cars from real sports car producing countries.
Well, it turns out I cannot be very diplomatic, I suppose, when it involves the FD. So, I hope my passion for the cars is enough to forgive me.
Gordon
Look at most regular japanese cars on the "market". Freaking 95 civics with 160k still go for like 4k.
Its what people have been buying at for all these years, and like someone said, supply and demand, plus also what the consumer would rather have as a car. Cheap on gas, reliable, easy to drive and maintain and can hold value in case for future sale.
Thats why the only way, like i said, for our market to get any better is we (the people already selling) have to price their cars a bit higher than the current market.
The fact is, the market is dying because people BLOW 20k on all these mods, then realize they are broke and need out right away and sell the car for 13k for a quick sale. This ongoing process has been hurting the market for quite sometime and i been here long enough to witness that.
I thought about selling my FD a couple of years ago to buy another FD already done to what i had plans for my current FD but i decided not to, as my car has alot of memories and by then, i had already known what was wrong, what i need to fix, what has already been fixed etc.
Another thing is rarity, as the years go by, maybe less and less FD's will be on the road. This in conjunction with seller inflation will help our market get better.
The FD is known for its rotary engine. The rotary engine is known for a) being unreliable, b) sucking alot of gas. Yes, they are fun cars, but they also cost alot to maintain and few people can work on them. Contrary to your statment I love my car, but the average person is not going to buy an expensive 18 year old (Japanese) car with questionable reliablity and miserable gas mileage, it just isn't going to happen. They's going to buy a C6, Porsche Cayman, or a 370Z and finance it. The only people that will pay in excess of 25k are a tiny minority, and I can't think of any reason that would change. Just trying to be realistic, I'm not "bashing" FDs. Values are flat now, are they suddenly going to increase dramatically?
The best market for FDs are current or former FD owners and/or direct associates of such - they are an intensely loyal bunch.
if I had it to do over again I would have just bought a car like this one and saved a buttload of cash (and down-time). I bought my car bone stock with 13k miles on the clock.
if I had it to do over again I would have just bought a car like this one and saved a buttload of cash (and down-time). I bought my car bone stock with 13k miles on the clock.
1Quick7... While we do not yet see appreciation due to the barbell effect, we can look at rates of depreciation and there, the FD does very well, having a combined depreciation of about 5% per year for the past 17 years. Furthermore, there are signs of the market distinguishing good cars from bad. Top dollar today for a really nice car is probably 20-25,000. At the high end, that's depreciation of 3% a year. So, while it may be premature to say they are appreciating, it is clear that they are depreciating much more slowly than most others.
Gordon
Gordon
No you're right. FD depreciation is actually low.
But i was referring to the actual market, meaning modified, to stock, to HEAVY modified FD's.
Its so confused that its basically almost all the same price range, relatively speaking.
Another reason why i was saying adding mods doesnt increase value.
It is my firm opinion that people who truly understand the FD, think it should be collectible.
Last edited by yzf-r1; Feb 1, 2011 at 06:25 PM.
No_More_Rice... The idea that a bunch of ex-S2000 guys who now own Porsches and Ferraris are over there talking and would laugh me out of the group says more about you than anything about the FD. You really see yourself as part of that crowd and not part of this lowly crowd.
and would just ask you, please do not take this thread off on another FD versus whatever.
The guy just wanted to know whether to sell his car or keep it. I don't think there was any discussion of a Porsche or a Ferrari in the OP's future...
Last edited by yzf-r1; Feb 1, 2011 at 07:22 PM.
Gas was $1/gal in the late 90's and CA saw $5/gal couple years back already, that has nothing to do with a car being collectible or not. Collector won't give a damn about gas price, if they worry about gas price then they should collect Social Security, not sports car.
I think the OP should keep it and store it. I have sold one FD already and I am in the process of rebuilding another. Its always a slow process to get it correct.
However on the other topic at hand, many of today's sports cars bore me. I don't care if its a GTR, Porsche, or Ferrari. The paddle shifters and all the traction control and computer nannies just plain suck. It's like the cars are made for the fat and lazy. Gone are the days of the hard core sports cars. Anyone remember the F40? Today people need the sports cars to play tv, hold their 40 oz coffe or soda, massage their back, shift for them, and control the traction as they no longer want to learn to drive. Again fat and lazy sports cars weighing in at 3500LB +. It represents society.
I am a car guy and I respect all cars no matter the brand. If the badge on the hood is that important then you have other issues in life and I am sorry for you.
Its funny when these threads pop up. You have guys who own FD's as a stepping stone to a Porsche or what not and then you have the Hardcore FD guys who have owned other sports cars and keep coming back. I am in the later.
I have looked high and low for another comparable sports car under $40K and its just not there w/ the handling, looks, and power. After looking around I came to the conclusion that I am a FD nut, I love the rotary, and I have accepted it. I guess that is why there are 2 in the driveway right now.
All the small imperfections of a sports car built on a budget can be fixed, and some of the best sports cars of all times are high maintenance. Some F cars need the motor removed to change the belts. How would you like that bill? Have you ever heard that the corvette interior is terrible and cheap? Yet people still buy them. The FD is the same way. I truely believe they will be a collector and another reason the OP should keep it.
The only reason I see getting rid of the FD for the OP is if he just isn't into the car anymore. I would rather see someone sell a car than watch one rot. If that is the case I hope it goes to the right buyer. In the end it is a decision that only he makes, and there is obviously some indecision if he is on here asking for advice.
GOOD LUCK on your decision OP.
However on the other topic at hand, many of today's sports cars bore me. I don't care if its a GTR, Porsche, or Ferrari. The paddle shifters and all the traction control and computer nannies just plain suck. It's like the cars are made for the fat and lazy. Gone are the days of the hard core sports cars. Anyone remember the F40? Today people need the sports cars to play tv, hold their 40 oz coffe or soda, massage their back, shift for them, and control the traction as they no longer want to learn to drive. Again fat and lazy sports cars weighing in at 3500LB +. It represents society.
I am a car guy and I respect all cars no matter the brand. If the badge on the hood is that important then you have other issues in life and I am sorry for you.
Its funny when these threads pop up. You have guys who own FD's as a stepping stone to a Porsche or what not and then you have the Hardcore FD guys who have owned other sports cars and keep coming back. I am in the later.
I have looked high and low for another comparable sports car under $40K and its just not there w/ the handling, looks, and power. After looking around I came to the conclusion that I am a FD nut, I love the rotary, and I have accepted it. I guess that is why there are 2 in the driveway right now.
All the small imperfections of a sports car built on a budget can be fixed, and some of the best sports cars of all times are high maintenance. Some F cars need the motor removed to change the belts. How would you like that bill? Have you ever heard that the corvette interior is terrible and cheap? Yet people still buy them. The FD is the same way. I truely believe they will be a collector and another reason the OP should keep it.
The only reason I see getting rid of the FD for the OP is if he just isn't into the car anymore. I would rather see someone sell a car than watch one rot. If that is the case I hope it goes to the right buyer. In the end it is a decision that only he makes, and there is obviously some indecision if he is on here asking for advice.
GOOD LUCK on your decision OP.
have you guys seen this video on the 250GTO ferrari? IMO the way that car was taken then and now could be the FD in the future.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GTO3987#p/u/10/Md_jcC6OnIUA
http://www.youtube.com/user/GTO3987#p/u/10/Md_jcC6OnIUA
have you guys seen this video on the 250GTO ferrari? IMO the way that car was taken then and now could be the FD in the future.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GTO3987#p/u/10/Md_jcC6OnIUA
http://www.youtube.com/user/GTO3987#p/u/10/Md_jcC6OnIUA
Doesn't work for me either, although I found this one-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9ml9Ucw2MU
I don't see how that relates to our cars though, that was one of less than 40 with true racing pedigree. We have one of about 14,000 U.S. models (70K in the world). You will never see a FD go for anything remotely near that.
The OP has a beautiful car. If he is decidedly done with FDs, it should fetch him around $18K-$20K within the Club in relatively short order. I think he could get anywhere from $15K-$25K from a non member but that would be dependent on luck and more time.
I don't see how that relates to our cars though, that was one of less than 40 with true racing pedigree. We have one of about 14,000 U.S. models (70K in the world). You will never see a FD go for anything remotely near that.
The OP has a beautiful car. If he is decidedly done with FDs, it should fetch him around $18K-$20K within the Club in relatively short order. I think he could get anywhere from $15K-$25K from a non member but that would be dependent on luck and more time.
Last edited by He's On Toroids; Feb 2, 2011 at 08:54 AM.
Doesn't work for me either, although I found this one-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9ml9Ucw2MU
I don't see how that relates to our cars though, that was one of less than 40 with true racing pedigree. We have one of about 14,000 U.S. models (70K in the world). You will never see a FD go for anything remotely near that.
The OP has a beautiful car. If he is decidedly done with FDs, it should fetch him around $18K-$20K within the Club in relatively short order. I think he could get anywhere from $15K-$25K from a non member but that would be dependent on luck and more time.
I don't see how that relates to our cars though, that was one of less than 40 with true racing pedigree. We have one of about 14,000 U.S. models (70K in the world). You will never see a FD go for anything remotely near that.
The OP has a beautiful car. If he is decidedly done with FDs, it should fetch him around $18K-$20K within the Club in relatively short order. I think he could get anywhere from $15K-$25K from a non member but that would be dependent on luck and more time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md_jcC6OnIU
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FWIW..... I have been invited to some pretty fantastic events with my RX7...including the Cavallino Classic....and the Palm beach Supercar weekend....is my car a ferrari?...no...is it a supercar?...I dont consider it one....but what I do know is it demands respect...just like a supercar...it hauls ***...just like a super car...and I couldnt replace it with anything BUT A SUPERCAR!!...I have driven a host of supercars ranging from a F430 to a LP640 and back....most of them are heavier with less power to weight than my RX7...so they were a bit of a let down...but the truth is the drive of a well maintained RX7 is almost impossible to replace!!....I have aquired a taste for these cars and cant quench my thirst with anything but one at this point....
If I was going to go the V-8 route, I'd get a Mallet Sky. RX-7s singing a GM V-8 tune.....the Mustang guys must be chuckling
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Last edited by yzf-r1; Feb 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM.
I say keep it, find a place to store it in NYC, take it for a ride when you can. Give it a couple months, if your not feeling it then put it up for sale. I always wanted to drive up and see your car in person. Dissapointed that you want to sell it
Dude IRP is like an rx7 refuge. I love going there and seeing so many at the shop. That reminds me, I still have some parts there...
As for yzf-r1 and everyone else, thank you for bringing me the gift of lol.
As for yzf-r1 and everyone else, thank you for bringing me the gift of lol.
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mark and rob, the next time a thread gets closed (this one was closed by another mod) because of your bickering, you're both going to be getting a vacation from the forum. Consider this fair warning
Thread has been reopened, and the two gentleman mentioned earlier in this post are prohibited from further posting in it. Act like kids, get treated like kids
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