vspecpgt

well when you rebuild your motor why not just weld up the hole with aluminum and than smooth it all back out...... wouldn't that be the easiest and cheapest thing? just wait till your motor blows and have it rebuilt....

nickpapagiorgio

So what?? We don't know Skip or his personal life but WTF does that have to do with this?? I'm not sure how Skip's personal life can justify charging $450 for a pair of bolts. I'm not trying to be a dick, but business is business, $450 for two bolts with a "special head" is a rip off.

Batman, do you have some sort of interest in this product?? I mean based on your responses in all of these "anti-detonation device" posts (constantly defending it), I'm sure you must have some sort of interest, so what is it??

BATMAN

Jim,

Good thing that u mentioned this.

I think Mazda knew about the elimination of the trailing plug and it's advantages, but they had the trailing plug to help complete the combustion process.

The result is a cleaner exhaust.

jimlab

No worries, you'll still be full of it tomorrow.

Assud

You should have the dyno sheet then, and since you offered, id love to see a picture of this device in your car as well as a pic of your dyno sheet. Im sure somebody like yourself has access to a digital camera since you offered to go down RIGHT NOW and take a pic. Youve talked the talk but you have yet to show anything other than words to back it up.

BATMAN

Why wouldn't I defend it?

There are reasons to go both ways.

Some folks want to call BS on it.

That's fine with me.

I elected to think that this would work based on what one of the guys that I knew that disconnected trailing plug on stock ECU and fuel system and ran 15psi all day long.

He did that for the 2 years that I knew him before he sold his FD for a 4 seater.

From this example, there is every reason in the world why I (and others) would think that this makes sense.

Unless there is something else to the trailing plug that I don't know about, it's existence is merely for emissions purpose, not performance.

Is this reason suffice?

rxrotary2_7

good point Rx-7$4$me

Assud

Why did they add a 3rd plug to their 4 rotor racer then?

nickpapagiorgio

But didn't you have some connection to KD and isn't that how you knew what it was before it was made public??

BATMAN

Yes.

The guy that unplugged the trailing plugs was before I knew of KDR.

So what is ur point?

BATMAN

This, I don't know.

Bucrx7

It's VERY hard to believe that someone actually ran 15psi with stock ecu for 2 years. Do you know his mods by any chance??

rxrotary2_7

so just leaving spark plugs inplace rather than spending the large amount on machined plugs DOES prove to no collect enough carbon buildup to be detrimential. i guess with this logic, changin these plugs along with the functioning ones would help in clearing up that pesky build-up problem...

nickpapagiorgio

So you were never told what the device was by KD, you just figured it out??

BATMAN

That's exactly the point. I and a few others were equally impressed.

During those 2 years we secretly had these bets that he'll pop his engine soon.

But he didn't.

The mods that I can remember off the top of my head were:

Some stupid green "sponge" warm air intake
DP
MP
PFS Single tip catback

jimlab

And more power.

You've got a far less than ideally shaped combustion chamber in an engine design that essentially completes the combustion process in the exhaust, wasting a considerable amount of power in the form of excessive heat and noise. The more air and fuel you can burn while the rotor is still on the "power stroke", the better, which is probably why the R26B has three plugs per housing. Completing combustion in the exhaust doesn't make any more power, it just makes the big fireballs at the tailpipe which seem to impress the ignorant...

artguy

hmmm...cant wait to see how many people lose motors and blame it on their injectors....

remember when rikki got back from his pfs tuning session and blew it up...then blamed it on some oil in his intercooler. hahahah


the good fun. I hope this thread lives on forever. It is bringing out all the skeptics and even a few rotards.


j

TwinTurbo93

So how do you know that this is the same anti-kaboom device as KDR's ?

John.

BATMAN

I can't be sure.

he was only one example.

and could have been lucky.

i don't think that there will be any argument on carbon's role in detonation.

So with that in mind, I would rather spend the $$$ to do it "right" and use this device as opposed to leaving the plugs in.

Rx-7$4$me

thanks To go even further, Depending on what metal the device is made from, it might actually generate more heat then, say, the rotor housing surface would. And I'm not one to start talking physics but I bet that the surface area/ mass of the rotor housing is better at dissipating heat, or at least having a lower temperature in general due to the surface area and being able to spread the heat out over that surface. If you stick a plug in there thats just a piece of metal, it would essentially heat up worse then the rotor housing would, worse then a spark plug, and in this situation worse then a dreadful 'pre-ignition causing carbon deposit" . If im not mistaken, depending on its mass,or what metal its made of, it could actually absorb more heat then all of the previously mentioned parts of the motor and be a time bomb waiting to happen

Unless of course this mumbo jumbo about "red hot carbon deposits" is just a bunch of BS in that it can cause pre-ignition.

Rx-7$4$me

Oh, and dont forget that with the "Anti- Detonaton Device" The EGT will be much higher if the motor is run at the higher A/F that was spoken of. This will result in heating that little "butt-plug" up till your *** is "carbon-deposit-pre-igniting" all over the place.

BATMAN

That is true.

However, I this device should make up for the HP and TQ via a leaner A/F ratio.

From what I know here are what one may expect:

1. Install the device by itself and u don't gain HP.

2. Install the device and it gives u a greater degree of "safety" with regards to minimizing detonation.

rxrotary2_7

I think the point is that he was calling you out to ask a simple question that needs a simple answer.
to translate:
"Were you TOLD/informed/clued-in/sent a "decoder ring" for a secret message played on the radio by Skip (or someone to do with the project) exactly what the magic behind it was? "
or
"Did you just have a gut feeling of what they were up to and just felt tha this was good topic to pretend that you knew something?"

nickpapagiorgio

See, this is exactly what I am talking about, you just said that your friend just kept the spark plug in for two years and never blew his motor but then you say that you would rather "spend the $$$ to do it "right" and use this device as opposed to leaving the plugs in." Sounds shady.

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