BATMAN

but would that matter?

nickpapagiorgio

I'm not followin, maybe it will be more clear after you post the pics.

BATMAN

Post pics.

But of course.

why didn't we think of that?

jimlab

Are you really this desperately in need of attention?

zkeller

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Stevie's been quiet. I guess he's busy packing and shipping orders.

Zero R

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Hey if you feel better looking at it that way so you can sell em cool, not me, and think about it no matter how simple if it works it would be worth $500 right?, and also no matter how simple if you knowingly take someones idea and run off with it for profit, your a sneak and a theif, even more so if the person was supposedly going to help only to steal it, Mazda wasn't trying to market it nor were they pretending to help develope it only to steal it. It says a lot about how Steve has no real answers it shows it's not his idea.

jimlab

Maybe he's trying to figure out how he made more horsepower at his torque peak than he did at his horsepower peak...

jimlab

Seems to me I read something very similar recently as justification for why it was OK to copy the body kits of Japanese vendors and undercut their prices...

jspecracer7

I think I'd rather pay $300 for a good Steve Kan tuning session and pocket the $200 than to pay for a $500 anti-knock butt plug.

Zero R

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Ah not from me you didn't. I was talking IC set ups

Zero R

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agreed anyone who has a good tune has no need at all.

cloud9

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He's in california for the street car challenge thing, he should be back by next monday, I am sure he will have plenty to say then... haha

c00lduke

If if works as advertised then there some better things to this over just a good tune. Higher boost on octane that normally wouldn't support it(means alot faster RX-7s running around) and larger room for error, just incase of error(which everyone with a good tuned car can tell you it happens).

What i'd do (if this works) is get this thing, install a water injection system and goto RP and have chris tune the hell out of it(providing that he would tune with this product) and come back home with one bitchin 7 that could run 20psi on 92octane instead of having to use $4-6 race fuel. But if it didnt work i'd probably just not get it, do the exact same thing and pay $4 a gallon for gas. I'm hoping the first will work out.

Zero R

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I like the water injection also, and bet a good tune from chris and water inj would meet 90% of your needs.

t-von

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This was my thinking also, you beat me to it. This could easily be done with wiring a pressure switch to interact with another switch to disable the trailing spark under load. There you go the best of both worlds and it cost what 50-60 bucks and you still pass emissions. Hell with Mazda's knowledge of this trailing spark issue and trying to keep the engine emissions legal, why didn't they program the stock ecu to cut the trailing spark under load?



I'm not sure but I wouldn't think that the trailing spark plug would foul out so quickly under these conditions. Remember 90% of the time our engines are under light loads/cruising. In this situation the trailing plugs would still be operational doing it's job of helping to clean up the combustion for fuel economy/emissions. It's the other 10% (boost situations)that the plugs would be disabled and providing the so-called anti-detination benefits. Also if your still worried about fouling,you could easily run a hotter plug in the trailing position that in general is less prone to fouling.

t-von

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One thing that really worries me about this plug and having only the leading spark plug doing all the work is the fact that there will be less efficiant combustion. I mean all this unburned fuel which will keep the combustion chamber cool will also cause more carbon build-up from not being burned properly. This could cause more carbon build-up problems in the long run.

Kevin T. Wyum

I was thinking the same thing Jim. Isn't it okay to copy stuff now? : P The plug thing is pretty funny btw.

Kevin T. Wyum

artguy

werd

artguy

well that is how things go...like buying a used car...except that a used car salesmen only feigns ignorance. between batbrain and this guy posting nonsense based on NO EXPERIENCE or from a sales angle...it only makes me more skeptical.

when someone with actual KNOWLEDGE of these vehicles comes along with pics, dyno sheets, comparisions, and first hand knowledge based on extensive tests (im so tired of the rotary community being had) then I will listen. If Jason and SPO/kan does the test and it is all straight...Id listen.



j

HDP

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When filing a patent you HAVE to be a lot more specific than that... you can't just specify any kind of metal, because it the product is not made of, for example, copper, you can't lay claim to copper.

Jason

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Then by your reasoning skip should not be selling it since Mazda was the first one to make it. Skip expanded on that and steven developed something similar. Thats like when you started selling gt3540 kits made from Australia and then copied the kit and started producing it in the states. Doesnt seem like much of a difference to me.
Steve told me he is not going to respond to this thread until a few of us test the plugs and have some data to back it up.
I have no special interest in this device. Steve called me and asked if I wanted to test it. I know I wouldnt be able to sell it for $450 and if it does work it would hurt my service business, so if it doesnt pan out I dont really care.

Jason

zkeller

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Jason, You should really delete this thread. There is too much bs to dig through to make it worth while.

Jason

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I agree! Im going to lock the thread for right now. I think everyone has given their opinion on this and its turning into a flame war. I will reopen this once we have some hard data.

Jason