Anti Detonation Info - I hope this is a joke
06-03-04, 10:12 PM
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Batman....
won't it be difficult to compare your results as your car is modded different then most...that is the ceramic coated rotors and your reduced heat soak and knock that your already reported?
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=313436
won't it be difficult to compare your results as your car is modded different then most...that is the ceramic coated rotors and your reduced heat soak and knock that your already reported?
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=313436
06-03-04, 10:15 PM
#52
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
I had my car on the dyno about a week ago and put down 315HP and 280FT at about 8~10 psi. This was done on 89 Octane pump gas and running 12.5:1 A/F ratio.
I had my car on the dyno about a week ago and put down 315HP and 280FT at about 8~10 psi. This was done on 89 Octane pump gas and running 12.5:1 A/F ratio.
Dyno numbers evenly divisible by 5 raise my bullshit radar, especially when associated with boost levels that low, unless a single turbo was involved. You wouldn't mind posting the dyno sheet, would you?
06-03-04, 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by artguy
gotta love you guys.
batman...would you please shut up already. you have been repeating those few statements for the past six months.
i find a four hundred dollar bolt amusing. hahahahahha!!!!
gotta love you guys.
batman...would you please shut up already. you have been repeating those few statements for the past six months.
i find a four hundred dollar bolt amusing. hahahahahha!!!!
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06-03-04, 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
If your car was on the dyno only a week ago, you would probably have a better idea of exactly what the peak power numbers were, down to one decimal place.
Dyno numbers evenly divisible by 5 raise my bullshit radar, especially when associated with boost levels that low, unless a single turbo was involved. You wouldn't mind posting the dyno sheet, would you?
If your car was on the dyno only a week ago, you would probably have a better idea of exactly what the peak power numbers were, down to one decimal place.
Dyno numbers evenly divisible by 5 raise my bullshit radar, especially when associated with boost levels that low, unless a single turbo was involved. You wouldn't mind posting the dyno sheet, would you?
I've also got some pics of my car on the mustang dyno if you would like those as well....
Thanks,
Steven
06-03-04, 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
So did I until I saved my engine one day on a lean spike of 13.7:1 A/F at 12 psi...... What you can't see in the picture is the tip of this "ButtPlug" cough TrailPlug product.
Steven.
So did I until I saved my engine one day on a lean spike of 13.7:1 A/F at 12 psi...... What you can't see in the picture is the tip of this "ButtPlug" cough TrailPlug product.
Steven.
The term "butt plug" is rightfully my trademark. Please refer to the first page. I intend to enforce this trademark up the orifices of those using them w/o my permission.
06-03-04, 10:20 PM
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I'm just curious as to how the rotary engine (The 13BREW in this case), has been around so long, and gone through so much trial and error, been considered one of least reliable of motors... and the "save all" fix is removing plugs? If it works, awesome! I'll stick around and see what the results are after a few people give it a whirl though. 
Has Peter Farrell commented on this that any one knows of? I'm curious of his response. He has been in the rotary game for some time..
Has Peter Farrell commented on this that any one knows of? I'm curious of his response. He has been in the rotary game for some time..
06-03-04, 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by pomanferrari
Hey Donkey, here are some more of my input:
Put some smoke and mirror on it, like flashing LEDs designed to be synchronized with the combustion process, may be some kind of whistle?
You want to sell turds, you gotta dress it up.
You see, if I'm going to spend $450 that **** better look like it's doing something. Take for example my HKS Twinpower that I paid $500 for. Hell if I know it works or not but damn, every time I opened the hood and people saw the nice gold-anodized box with the flashing Red-LED synchronized with the ignition and ooh and ahhed, I felt it was worth the $500.
And "functional"? These butt plugs don't have a function as they eliminate a function so they are technically "non-functional"?
Try putting some red "Type R" stickers at the end of the butt plugs. That should help the marketing.
Hey Donkey, here are some more of my input:
Put some smoke and mirror on it, like flashing LEDs designed to be synchronized with the combustion process, may be some kind of whistle?
You want to sell turds, you gotta dress it up.
You see, if I'm going to spend $450 that **** better look like it's doing something. Take for example my HKS Twinpower that I paid $500 for. Hell if I know it works or not but damn, every time I opened the hood and people saw the nice gold-anodized box with the flashing Red-LED synchronized with the ignition and ooh and ahhed, I felt it was worth the $500.
And "functional"? These butt plugs don't have a function as they eliminate a function so they are technically "non-functional"?
Try putting some red "Type R" stickers at the end of the butt plugs. That should help the marketing.
06-03-04, 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
I've also got some pics of my car on the mustang dyno if you would like those as well....
I've also got some pics of my car on the mustang dyno if you would like those as well....
What are your modifications?
06-03-04, 10:23 PM
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Super Snuggles
Originally posted by jdhuegel1
I'm just curious as to how the rotary engine (The 13BREW in this case), has been around so long, and gone through so much trial and error, been considered one of least reliable of motors... and the "save all" fix is removing plugs?
I'm just curious as to how the rotary engine (The 13BREW in this case), has been around so long, and gone through so much trial and error, been considered one of least reliable of motors... and the "save all" fix is removing plugs?
06-03-04, 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
... They tip prevents the carbon buildup and blow-by from effecting the engine...
... They tip prevents the carbon buildup and blow-by from effecting the engine...
*edit* nevermind. i dont even want to get involved. i will just sit back and watch this thread.
Originally posted by wickedrx7
BATMAN???? Where are you getting your info??? I am really confused, I think we need to clarify this.
BATMAN???? Where are you getting your info??? I am really confused, I think we need to clarify this.
and please keep the flames out of it please. feel free to do all the flaming you want via PM's. thanks
06-03-04, 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
315 RWHP on a Mustang dyno at only 8~10 psi? Sounds like you got some of Don't Be A Rikki's secret sauce...
What are your modifications?
315 RWHP on a Mustang dyno at only 8~10 psi? Sounds like you got some of Don't Be A Rikki's secret sauce...
What are your modifications?
3 inch midpipe with xr1 muffler
Greddy Cat-back
1600cc injectors
Vortech FMU regulator
Custom -8AN fuel lines from begining to end
Weldon Racing fuel Pump
Haltech E6K
Motec PLM
StewartWarner high rate EGR sensor
MSD DIS-2 HO Ignition running non-wasted spark
Running tailing spark plugs in leading locations
Customer ported wastegate
Clipped turbox2
Underdrive Kit
Custom cold air intake system
MSD DIS Coils
I'm assuming here that the mustang dyno has approx a 15% difference than a Dynojet from what I understand. So subtract 15% from my numbers and that's what the mustang dyno spit out for me.
Thanks.
06-03-04, 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Sort of makes you wonder why Mazda didn't figure this out, doesn't it?
Sort of makes you wonder why Mazda didn't figure this out, doesn't it?
06-03-04, 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Sort of makes you wonder why Mazda didn't figure this out, doesn't it?
Sort of makes you wonder why Mazda didn't figure this out, doesn't it?
06-03-04, 10:37 PM
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Steven. I am good friends of the KDR crew and have known about this for a long time. So, you are the "nice guy" that Skip has been referring to when conversing with him about the mod. The great guy that was helping him go from version 1, which I have, to the nice one-piece plug? he must have really upset you for you to do this. I do not know what has happened to your relationship with Skip but it must have ended on a sour note.
06-03-04, 10:38 PM
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Well folks, I've been up running around chasing fire trucks trying to help put out fires all day. I'm tired, going to bed, and will pick up the fire hose tomorrow.
Good night all.
Thanks,
Steven
Good night all.
Thanks,
Steven
06-03-04, 10:39 PM
#67
Super Snuggles
Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
3 inch Downpipe
3 inch midpipe with xr1 muffler
Greddy Cat-back
1600cc injectors
Vortech FMU regulator
Custom -8AN fuel lines from begining to end
Weldon Racing fuel Pump
Haltech E6K
Motec PLM
StewartWarner high rate EGR sensor
MSD DIS-2 HO Ignition running non-wasted spark
Running tailing spark plugs in leading locations
Customer ported wastegate
Clipped turbox2
Underdrive Kit
Custom cold air intake system
MSD DIS Coils
3 inch Downpipe
3 inch midpipe with xr1 muffler
Greddy Cat-back
1600cc injectors
Vortech FMU regulator
Custom -8AN fuel lines from begining to end
Weldon Racing fuel Pump
Haltech E6K
Motec PLM
StewartWarner high rate EGR sensor
MSD DIS-2 HO Ignition running non-wasted spark
Running tailing spark plugs in leading locations
Customer ported wastegate
Clipped turbox2
Underdrive Kit
Custom cold air intake system
MSD DIS Coils
I'm assuming here that the mustang dyno has approx a 15% difference than a Dynojet from what I understand. So subtract 15% from my numbers and that's what the mustang dyno spit out for me.
Jesus your story has a lot of holes in it...
06-03-04, 10:44 PM
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Super Snuggles
Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
Well folks, I've been up running around chasing fire trucks trying to help put out fires all day. I'm tired, going to bed, and will pick up the fire hose tomorrow.
Well folks, I've been up running around chasing fire trucks trying to help put out fires all day. I'm tired, going to bed, and will pick up the fire hose tomorrow.
06-03-04, 10:49 PM
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http://www.pg-unlimited.com/index.as...n=Custom&ID=21
i read this and it kindof makes some sense to me.
so now if we have 2 sparks fireing at a differnet time i could see how the combustion chamber could have one flame go one way and the other flame go the oppoisit direction not makeing the flame flow in one direction, causeing DET.
but i also see where some people are coming from saying that the rotary race cars have 3 plugs now i think that that would be better than 2 plugs or just one because it would be easyer to get the flame to go one direction. makeing less det
so from what i under stand 3 plugs per rotor is SUPER great
1 plug is better than 2
but 2 plugs could really mess some things up. AKA our engine going boooooooooooom
this is just my input and what i think.
over all i would most likely try it. and i think that it might work.. i mean what could it hurt????? unless u have emissions
i read this and it kindof makes some sense to me.
so now if we have 2 sparks fireing at a differnet time i could see how the combustion chamber could have one flame go one way and the other flame go the oppoisit direction not makeing the flame flow in one direction, causeing DET.
but i also see where some people are coming from saying that the rotary race cars have 3 plugs now i think that that would be better than 2 plugs or just one because it would be easyer to get the flame to go one direction. makeing less det
so from what i under stand 3 plugs per rotor is SUPER great
1 plug is better than 2
but 2 plugs could really mess some things up. AKA our engine going boooooooooooom
this is just my input and what i think.
over all i would most likely try it. and i think that it might work.. i mean what could it hurt????? unless u have emissions
06-03-04, 10:49 PM
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On another note, you mentioned on your website that "glowing hot" Carbon deposits can in essence cause detonation by pre-igniting the mixture before the plug sparks right?
So how does a giant metal "buttplug" with larger surface area then a small carbon deposit not heat up and do the same thing.
Carbon deposits can also cause detonation as they will glow hot and ignite the intake mixture if allowed to buildup.
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06-03-04, 10:54 PM
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Here is my favorite part:
Customers purchase and use this product at their own risk!
The use of TrailPlug® may do the following:
* Increase combustion temperatures from leaner A/F ratio's, leading to apex seal damage, rotor face damage, turbo damage, and other heat susceptible damage.
Customers purchase and use this product at their own risk!
The use of TrailPlug® may do the following:
* Increase combustion temperatures from leaner A/F ratio's, leading to apex seal damage, rotor face damage, turbo damage, and other heat susceptible damage.
06-03-04, 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
Translation... I'm full of it and can't really dispute that, so I'm leaving.
Translation... I'm full of it and can't really dispute that, so I'm leaving.
Bottom Line- We still have no clarification if this product is in any way related to KDR.
Also-His mods are very fishy, stock intercooler and turbos? Customer ported wastegate? Big deal? This guy is just digging himself into a hole.
He would have been a lot better off posting about this himself, with real world results and testamonials. Also he should have asked a more beleivable amount for them, lets say $100. He might have sold a few for that.
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06-03-04, 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by pomanferrari
Hey listen donkey, before you offer stuff to the public, test them out first and stand behind your product.
Sending the **** out to a few people doesn't cut it.
The number one thing that tells me this is **** is that you don't have it (or at least I don't see it) on your car.
The second thing that tells me this is **** is that you're eliminating a trailing plug that is part of the whole emission set up. The car will most likely not pass emission in most states.
The third thing is why is this **** the only thing available on the website?
The fourth thing is that this butt plugs remind me too much of the much vaunted "Tornado" crock of **** that's still being sold.
The fifth thing is that this butt plugs remind me too much of the 200 mpg carburators.
The sixth thing is ... oh yeah, it's ******* butt-ugly, it looks like butt plugs the Pentagon passed out to the Iraquis after they've been detained at Abu Ghraib far too long.
Hey listen donkey, before you offer stuff to the public, test them out first and stand behind your product.
Sending the **** out to a few people doesn't cut it.
The number one thing that tells me this is **** is that you don't have it (or at least I don't see it) on your car.
The second thing that tells me this is **** is that you're eliminating a trailing plug that is part of the whole emission set up. The car will most likely not pass emission in most states.
The third thing is why is this **** the only thing available on the website?
The fourth thing is that this butt plugs remind me too much of the much vaunted "Tornado" crock of **** that's still being sold.
The fifth thing is that this butt plugs remind me too much of the 200 mpg carburators.
The sixth thing is ... oh yeah, it's ******* butt-ugly, it looks like butt plugs the Pentagon passed out to the Iraquis after they've been detained at Abu Ghraib far too long.
Nor does an external-vented BOV, a DP&MP configuration, and a few other multitude of mods.