Anti-Det Installed
06-21-04, 02:00 PM
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I guess you will be paying close attention to your knock sensor! Will you be doing the testing on the dyno? And why can't you just leave the spark plugs in?
06-21-04, 02:02 PM
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The arguement is that if you leave the spark plug in, it will allow a carbon buildup to occur in that hole, causing a hot spot and possible detonation....but so will that plug because as jason said it still leaves a gap.
EDIT: DCrosby beat me to it. And yes it's also to test the actual product for sale more than the theory behind it.
EDIT: DCrosby beat me to it. And yes it's also to test the actual product for sale more than the theory behind it.
06-21-04, 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by SPOautos
because all those 60+ cars had them installed and tuned for at KDR and they all signed a non disclosure statement.
because all those 60+ cars had them installed and tuned for at KDR and they all signed a non disclosure statement.
), then you'd think that some sort of summary of the results from those 60+ test cases would be available somewhere as proof of the validity of the modification.
06-21-04, 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by BigIslandSevens
Damn that is the first thing I have said about it . Chill buddy. Don't ban me please! He was/is so adament about it that there were sooo many different things stated I just wanted clarification. Damn didn't mean to strike a nerve. sheesh!
Damn that is the first thing I have said about it . Chill buddy. Don't ban me please! He was/is so adament about it that there were sooo many different things stated I just wanted clarification. Damn didn't mean to strike a nerve. sheesh!
Jason
06-21-04, 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
I'm aware of that, but if the product is ready for market and, we've been told, is apparently patent-pending ( ), then you'd think that some sort of summary of the results from those 60+ test cases would be available somewhere as proof of the validity of the modification.
I'm aware of that, but if the product is ready for market and, we've been told, is apparently patent-pending (
), then you'd think that some sort of summary of the results from those 60+ test cases would be available somewhere as proof of the validity of the modification.
I havent heard anything from KD yet.
06-21-04, 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by jimlab
I'm aware of that, but if the product is ready for market and, we've been told, is apparently patent-pending ( ), then you'd think that some sort of summary of the results from those 60+ test cases would be available somewhere as proof of the validity of the modification.
I'm aware of that, but if the product is ready for market and, we've been told, is apparently patent-pending (
), then you'd think that some sort of summary of the results from those 60+ test cases would be available somewhere as proof of the validity of the modification.
Well, I'm sure if someone went to get the similar product from KD they would tell you all about it and show case examples, ect.
STEPHEN
06-21-04, 02:58 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Anti-Det Installed
Originally posted by teamstealth
But at least this way we'll have one reuptable person showing us hard numbers....so its a start
But at least this way we'll have one reuptable person showing us hard numbers....so its a start
Jason
06-21-04, 03:41 PM
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If the marketers, or inventors or producers or whomever is reading this:
This is the WORST way to release a product. Starting with rumors, to limited release to people who "can't talk about it" to limited release to people who can talk about it, to trying to sell it off your website with 3 paragraphs about the history of trailing plugs, and not having any data to back it up to coming online to argue with potential customers about gifs and movs - is this the first time you've even conducted business?!
Look at all the damn emotion which is being stirred up for no reason!
why am i so pissed off? because it requires too much effort to sift through all the bullshit emotion which YOU (the marketer/inventor) of the product have started!
what did you think was going to happen when you said you had the "magic pill" which was going to save all rotary engines and everyone $4000 in a rebuild?
This is the WORST way to release a product. Starting with rumors, to limited release to people who "can't talk about it" to limited release to people who can talk about it, to trying to sell it off your website with 3 paragraphs about the history of trailing plugs, and not having any data to back it up to coming online to argue with potential customers about gifs and movs - is this the first time you've even conducted business?!
Look at all the damn emotion which is being stirred up for no reason!
why am i so pissed off? because it requires too much effort to sift through all the bullshit emotion which YOU (the marketer/inventor) of the product have started!
what did you think was going to happen when you said you had the "magic pill" which was going to save all rotary engines and everyone $4000 in a rebuild?
06-21-04, 03:41 PM
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No it's not Turbo'd
So when's HKS & AEM selling Two Channel Anti Det. Ign. Amps !? 
??
Coming to a tuner Shop near you: 1/2 Off sale on 4ch Ign amps !!!
?? Coming to a tuner Shop near you: 1/2 Off sale on 4ch Ign amps !!!
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06-21-04, 03:50 PM
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Has anyone done any real research on this?
I follow so far that the purpose of these is just to smooth out the combustion chamber and prevent 'hot spots'. Did someone do high speed combustion photography to determine the effectiveness in a test engine (what real automotive engineers do to determine the effect of combustion chamber design on preignition 'hot spots')? Is it a known fact that the trailing plug is a preignition heat source?
Someone mentioned KDR. No info from a search of the US patent office application database.
I assume these cost a whole lot more than I can have turned out at the local machine shop for $50 - that do the same thing.
I follow so far that the purpose of these is just to smooth out the combustion chamber and prevent 'hot spots'. Did someone do high speed combustion photography to determine the effectiveness in a test engine (what real automotive engineers do to determine the effect of combustion chamber design on preignition 'hot spots')? Is it a known fact that the trailing plug is a preignition heat source?
Someone mentioned KDR. No info from a search of the US patent office application database.
I assume these cost a whole lot more than I can have turned out at the local machine shop for $50 - that do the same thing.
06-21-04, 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by DCrosby
So when's HKS & AEM selling Two Channel Anti Det. Ign. Amps !? ??
Coming to a tuner Shop near you: 1/2 Off sale on 4ch Ign amps !!!
So when's HKS & AEM selling Two Channel Anti Det. Ign. Amps !?
?? Coming to a tuner Shop near you: 1/2 Off sale on 4ch Ign amps !!!
06-21-04, 04:20 PM
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No it's not Turbo'd
Originally posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Lol......actually, we would only need a one channel amp, for the sole, lonely leading coil working it's *** off
Lol......actually, we would only need a one channel amp, for the sole, lonely leading coil working it's *** off
Then again that makes this whole plug elimination thing more confusing
than it previously was ....So, Jason when's the 1/4 off sale starting !?
I say you get a free pair of anti det. with every Ign. amp purcahse ....
Sounds fair !!!
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06-21-04, 05:53 PM
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Jason, I'm really glad you finally got some to test. I told you when you tuned my car I'd like to see if they do good. I'm also down for a set if you get some solid proof out of them and start selling them. Congrats on bein a guinea pig
06-21-04, 06:11 PM
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fart on a friends head!!!
heres an idea. . . jason, tell if they work. . . or what your findings are at least. . . and let this be a DIY mod. let all the tuning info out. . . ANYBODY can get this made. i might make some this weekend on a lathe. im ALWAYS willing to try something new. . . if it doesnt cost so much. thats the reason i wanna know what the REAL findings are on this thing. . . cause it might end up costing a WHOLE LOT more in the long run when engines start melting. hahaha.
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06-22-04, 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by broken93
Is it a known fact that the trailing plug is a preignition heat source?
Is it a known fact that the trailing plug is a preignition heat source?
I am interested in how you tune specifically for this device. I heard early on that if not tuned right it would melt an engine down. Now I don't see how that's possible.
06-22-04, 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Pg-Unlimited
Fine, fine..... I'll remove the ******* animation from the website. Is everyone happy now? You just can't take the Quicktime movie on his site and save it as a .GIF, unless I missed the boat. I had to create my own source code for this and populate the .gif file which took me two weeks of off and on work in my CAD program.
Thanks,
Steven
Fine, fine..... I'll remove the ******* animation from the website. Is everyone happy now? You just can't take the Quicktime movie on his site and save it as a .GIF, unless I missed the boat. I had to create my own source code for this and populate the .gif file which took me two weeks of off and on work in my CAD program.
Thanks,
Steven
I hope this is not infringing copyright! I really aprreciate blakes images as they are very well done, incredibly informative and a great asset to the community!