because all those 60+ cars had them installed and tuned for at KDR and they all signed a non disclosure statement.

 

I guess you will be paying close attention to your knock sensor! Will you be doing the testing on the dyno? And why can't you just leave the spark plugs in?

 

Because He's testing the "DEVICE" specifically ! And not the theory of running without trailing plugs.

 

The arguement is that if you leave the spark plug in, it will allow a carbon buildup to occur in that hole, causing a hot spot and possible detonation....but so will that plug because as jason said it still leaves a gap.


EDIT: DCrosby beat me to it. And yes it's also to test the actual product for sale more than the theory behind it.

 

I'm aware of that, but if the product is ready for market and, we've been told, is apparently patent-pending ( ), then you'd think that some sort of summary of the results from those 60+ test cases would be available somewhere as proof of the validity of the modification.

 

Its nothing against you, Im just tired of closing threads

Jason

 

maybe it will be, no?...pg released the product/what info he had....not kd.
I havent heard anything from KD yet.

 

Well, I'm sure if someone went to get the similar product from KD they would tell you all about it and show case examples, ect.

STEPHEN

 

Im more interested in how the device works than actually selling it. I find it interesting that the car runs great without the trailing ignition. If this something that ends up not working I will let everyone know.

Jason

 

Jason,

How about testing with the spark plugs in, but not connected. I really don't see how it would be any different.

 

I'd also be interest to hear how it works (if it does) on a non-tuneable ECU.

 

If the marketers, or inventors or producers or whomever is reading this:

This is the WORST way to release a product. Starting with rumors, to limited release to people who "can't talk about it" to limited release to people who can talk about it, to trying to sell it off your website with 3 paragraphs about the history of trailing plugs, and not having any data to back it up to coming online to argue with potential customers about gifs and movs - is this the first time you've even conducted business?!

Look at all the damn emotion which is being stirred up for no reason!

why am i so pissed off? because it requires too much effort to sift through all the bullshit emotion which YOU (the marketer/inventor) of the product have started!

what did you think was going to happen when you said you had the "magic pill" which was going to save all rotary engines and everyone $4000 in a rebuild?

 

So when's HKS & AEM selling Two Channel Anti Det. Ign. Amps !? ??
Coming to a tuner Shop near you: 1/2 Off sale on 4ch Ign amps !!!

 

Has anyone done any real research on this?
I follow so far that the purpose of these is just to smooth out the combustion chamber and prevent 'hot spots'. Did someone do high speed combustion photography to determine the effectiveness in a test engine (what real automotive engineers do to determine the effect of combustion chamber design on preignition 'hot spots')? Is it a known fact that the trailing plug is a preignition heat source?

Someone mentioned KDR. No info from a search of the US patent office application database.

I assume these cost a whole lot more than I can have turned out at the local machine shop for $50 - that do the same thing.

 

Lol......actually, we would only need a one channel amp, for the sole, lonely leading coil working it's *** off

 

Right I forgot, 1 Coil for The leading and 2 For the trailing, sorry always seemed backwards to me, seems like isolating the leading, and getting more punch would make more sense, but I guess not
Then again that makes this whole plug elimination thing more confusing than it previously was ....

So, Jason when's the 1/4 off sale starting !?

I say you get a free pair of anti det. with every Ign. amp purcahse .... Sounds fair !!!

 

Jason, I'm really glad you finally got some to test. I told you when you tuned my car I'd like to see if they do good. I'm also down for a set if you get some solid proof out of them and start selling them. Congrats on bein a guinea pig

 

I can't wait to hear some news from Jason, if this thing will realy help or not.

 

heres an idea. . . jason, tell if they work. . . or what your findings are at least. . . and let this be a DIY mod. let all the tuning info out. . . ANYBODY can get this made. i might make some this weekend on a lathe. im ALWAYS willing to try something new. . . if it doesnt cost so much. thats the reason i wanna know what the REAL findings are on this thing. . . cause it might end up costing a WHOLE LOT more in the long run when engines start melting. hahaha.

paul

 

I guess he's to busy right now dynoing and testing to reply, lets give him some more time.

 

i guess i shouldve put that i meant what your FUTURE findings are. . . im not really rushing this AT ALL. hahaha.

paul

 

That is why stock trailig plugs are a colder heat range. It is already firing in a hot chanber. Thats why leading plugs foul out first.

I am interested in how you tune specifically for this device. I heard early on that if not tuned right it would melt an engine down. Now I don't see how that's possible.

 

Higher EGTs due to leaner AFRs

 

BTW. I converted this animation in imageready to a .gif to fit on my cell phone. It took me about 15 mins. Not sure why it would take a cad program or 2 weeks.

I hope this is not infringing copyright! I really aprreciate blakes images as they are very well done, incredibly informative and a great asset to the community!

 

Pirate !!!