My FD is going to be featured on TUNED
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Lolol
Some people want to turn some people want pure power, if you don't think you can put big power down with these cars you have never tried...
All of them!!! They couldn't stand all the power everywhere or the lack of handling!!
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I'll take on the high powered rotary cars too and we can call it the battle of the RX7s
I'd suggest a NASA TT event at VIR or even better this years UTCC in tandem with NASA on the weekend
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We get it the v8 is kick *** and your car kicks *** etc...etc...
BUT it's OK if some of us prefer the rotary you and your v8 along with your name calling, sarcasm, dares etc.... can simply move along
PS I still have respect for the drag time though LOL
Initially I had the rs3's but later installed the Zii's. Posted it somewhere in here. Both are the same category tire with a slight advantage going to the zii's for its better cold traction and durability. Daniel (LS Fd) indeed has R888. Matt wasnt really going 100% in the canyons so the grip advantage of the R888's is negligible. The stiffer sidewalls make turnin better.. Noticeably..even with 17inch wheels. I know because I used to run r888's on various rims.
I want to build off something Fritz said.. At the track the FD chassis really doesnt need more than 350 wtq. Above 350tq youll notice that your lap time dont really drop despite the additional power. The balance of car becomes "un-proportional" and your lap times become inefficient. At the end of the day, lap times are the best quantifiable data points. I really think ~400whp 330wtq is perfect. I can power out of 2nd gear turns HARD with minimal slip angle. Even off camber its easy to modulate yet I also have the top end to hang with the big boys in my class. When I post some more track vids you will see my corner exit speeds vs the higher class c6 z06's and their 335 pilot cup tires. To be honest the EFR might even be too responsive but its something im already used to, just need to be more alert. With my TD61 it was a bit more composed on certain corner exits.
Btw: with slicks and proper downforce you can easily rock over 400whp. Im just talking about the avg FD track setup.
I want to build off something Fritz said.. At the track the FD chassis really doesnt need more than 350 wtq. Above 350tq youll notice that your lap time dont really drop despite the additional power. The balance of car becomes "un-proportional" and your lap times become inefficient. At the end of the day, lap times are the best quantifiable data points. I really think ~400whp 330wtq is perfect. I can power out of 2nd gear turns HARD with minimal slip angle. Even off camber its easy to modulate yet I also have the top end to hang with the big boys in my class. When I post some more track vids you will see my corner exit speeds vs the higher class c6 z06's and their 335 pilot cup tires. To be honest the EFR might even be too responsive but its something im already used to, just need to be more alert. With my TD61 it was a bit more composed on certain corner exits.
Btw: with slicks and proper downforce you can easily rock over 400whp. Im just talking about the avg FD track setup.
Sorry but again I think this review was done poorly , and if thats how all their reviews are then I am dissapointed .
This deserved a track!
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So... basically he drove the cars around at a moderate pace and made a video about what he THINKS the car would do if he drove them fast.
Sorry but again I think this review was done poorly , and if thats how all their reviews are then I am dissapointed .
This deserved a track!
If you watch their NSX comparison he really did those cars justice. I was hoping for the same level of depth with this one. I usually like drive but they just winged it on this one and as the first paid video of there's I've watched I'm not at all impressed.
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So... basically he drove the cars around at a moderate pace and made a video about what he THINKS the car would do if he drove them fast.
Sorry but again I think this review was done poorly , and if thats how all their reviews are then I am dissapointed .
This deserved a track!
Sorry but again I think this review was done poorly , and if thats how all their reviews are then I am dissapointed .
This deserved a track!
There is no doubt in my mind though that a well setup NA v8 is the best overall option for road racing.
I invite any V8 RX7 (but especially YOU!) to come to VIR or Summit Point and get beside my low powered rotary and see what happens
I'll take on the high powered rotary cars too and we can call it the battle of the RX7s
I'd suggest a NASA TT event at VIR or even better this years UTCC in tandem with NASA on the weekend
I'll take on the high powered rotary cars too and we can call it the battle of the RX7s
I'd suggest a NASA TT event at VIR or even better this years UTCC in tandem with NASA on the weekend
Count me in, if this ever happens.
Yeah, I hate it when I log on to rx7club.com and everyone is dick riding rotary engines like some kind of enthusiasts. What's worse is they all seem to want a mature, intelligent discussion about it!
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Dude you are the one who won't let up about the great v8 ON A ROTARY FORUM.
We get it the v8 is kick *** and your car kicks *** etc...etc...
BUT it's OK if some of us prefer the rotary you and your v8 along with your name calling, sarcasm, dares etc.... can simply move along
PS I still have respect for the drag time though LOL
We get it the v8 is kick *** and your car kicks *** etc...etc...
BUT it's OK if some of us prefer the rotary you and your v8 along with your name calling, sarcasm, dares etc.... can simply move along
PS I still have respect for the drag time though LOL
My car on road race wouldn't be much of a race
I should have clarified. Fritz fd is a track car and we were at VIR when I got the ride. There were more powerfull fds there but his was the scariest most purpose built fd in attendance.
Edit: I don't need to experience what it's like going fast in a straight line. Been there dont that in another forum members turbo 20b. You however, should experience what it's like to see the performance potential the engineers at Mazda built into the fd. It is a serious track weapon. Some of us are actually planning another Fd testing event near fall. You should come out and see what an fd really can do in its natural environment.
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Haha glad this thread is turning out to be fun, and that some of the v8 guys play over here too.
I would like to make a counterpoint (from a pretty unique position, I'd say) on the amount of power you can put down in an FD - I don't know who else has a 1k+hp FD made to turn (I still consider mine a street car), but let me tell you, it's much faster than it was with 450whp haha.
Makes 500ft-lbs at approx what my Cosmo 13B's idle was, runs on whatever pump fuel is handy, has full interior, and my 65yr old Mom can drive it to the store - it's all in the electronic controls (DBW, AEM Infinity trac ctrl, ID2000s x8, etc). Pulls over 1g acceleration in 1st-4th, 1.4g+ laterally and 1.6g braking on a 'street tire'. Tell me more about the awful handling! It does get 'rotary-like' mileage with the blown LSx though, so there's that.
Zac's car is, sadly, much faster in a straight line with what should be about the same power level - and there very well be faster track guys (1:18.0 @ Streets on break-in last season, 1:46-ish at BW CW13) with rotaries, but I think the 'group thinking' about what's usable and the effect of a V8 is a little silly.
Cheers!
Edit: I would absolutely love to come out to VIR, but it's far and I'm cheap. I used to ride bikes there and love it!
I would like to make a counterpoint (from a pretty unique position, I'd say) on the amount of power you can put down in an FD - I don't know who else has a 1k+hp FD made to turn (I still consider mine a street car), but let me tell you, it's much faster than it was with 450whp haha.
Makes 500ft-lbs at approx what my Cosmo 13B's idle was, runs on whatever pump fuel is handy, has full interior, and my 65yr old Mom can drive it to the store - it's all in the electronic controls (DBW, AEM Infinity trac ctrl, ID2000s x8, etc). Pulls over 1g acceleration in 1st-4th, 1.4g+ laterally and 1.6g braking on a 'street tire'. Tell me more about the awful handling! It does get 'rotary-like' mileage with the blown LSx though, so there's that.
Zac's car is, sadly, much faster in a straight line with what should be about the same power level - and there very well be faster track guys (1:18.0 @ Streets on break-in last season, 1:46-ish at BW CW13) with rotaries, but I think the 'group thinking' about what's usable and the effect of a V8 is a little silly.
Cheers!
Edit: I would absolutely love to come out to VIR, but it's far and I'm cheap. I used to ride bikes there and love it!
Haha glad this thread is turning out to be fun, and that some of the v8 guys play over here too.
I would like to make a counterpoint (from a pretty unique position, I'd say) on the amount of power you can put down in an FD - I don't know who else has a 1k+hp FD made to turn (I still consider mine a street car), but let me tell you, it's much faster than it was with 450whp haha.
Makes 500ft-lbs at approx what my Cosmo 13B's idle was, runs on whatever pump fuel is handy, has full interior, and my 65yr old Mom can drive it to the store - it's all in the electronic controls (DBW, AEM Infinity trac ctrl, ID2000s x8, etc). Pulls over 1g acceleration in 1st-4th, 1.4g+ laterally and 1.6g braking on a 'street tire'. Tell me more about the awful handling! It does get 'rotary-like' mileage with the blown LSx though, so there's that.
Zac's car is, sadly, much faster in a straight line with what should be about the same power level - and there very well be faster track guys (1:18.0 @ Streets on break-in last season, 1:46-ish at BW CW13) with rotaries, but I think the 'group thinking' about what's usable and the effect of a V8 is a little silly.
Cheers!
Edit: I would absolutely love to come out to VIR, but it's far and I'm cheap. I used to ride bikes there and love it!
I would like to make a counterpoint (from a pretty unique position, I'd say) on the amount of power you can put down in an FD - I don't know who else has a 1k+hp FD made to turn (I still consider mine a street car), but let me tell you, it's much faster than it was with 450whp haha.
Makes 500ft-lbs at approx what my Cosmo 13B's idle was, runs on whatever pump fuel is handy, has full interior, and my 65yr old Mom can drive it to the store - it's all in the electronic controls (DBW, AEM Infinity trac ctrl, ID2000s x8, etc). Pulls over 1g acceleration in 1st-4th, 1.4g+ laterally and 1.6g braking on a 'street tire'. Tell me more about the awful handling! It does get 'rotary-like' mileage with the blown LSx though, so there's that.
Zac's car is, sadly, much faster in a straight line with what should be about the same power level - and there very well be faster track guys (1:18.0 @ Streets on break-in last season, 1:46-ish at BW CW13) with rotaries, but I think the 'group thinking' about what's usable and the effect of a V8 is a little silly.
Cheers!
Edit: I would absolutely love to come out to VIR, but it's far and I'm cheap. I used to ride bikes there and love it!
Tell me more about this car that runs 1:18 at streets of willow and 1:46 at BW. Thats lightning fast!
Haha glad this thread is turning out to be fun, and that some of the v8 guys play over here too.
I would like to make a counterpoint (from a pretty unique position, I'd say) on the amount of power you can put down in an FD - I don't know who else has a 1k+hp FD made to turn (I still consider mine a street car), but let me tell you, it's much faster than it was with 450whp haha.
Makes 500ft-lbs at approx what my Cosmo 13B's idle was, runs on whatever pump fuel is handy, has full interior, and my 65yr old Mom can drive it to the store - it's all in the electronic controls (DBW, AEM Infinity trac ctrl, ID2000s x8, etc). Pulls over 1g acceleration in 1st-4th, 1.4g+ laterally and 1.6g braking on a 'street tire'. Tell me more about the awful handling! It does get 'rotary-like' mileage with the blown LSx though, so there's that.
Zac's car is, sadly, much faster in a straight line with what should be about the same power level - and there very well be faster track guys (1:18.0 @ Streets on break-in last season, 1:46-ish at BW CW13) with rotaries, but I think the 'group thinking' about what's usable and the effect of a V8 is a little silly.
Cheers!
Edit: I would absolutely love to come out to VIR, but it's far and I'm cheap. I used to ride bikes there and love it!
I would like to make a counterpoint (from a pretty unique position, I'd say) on the amount of power you can put down in an FD - I don't know who else has a 1k+hp FD made to turn (I still consider mine a street car), but let me tell you, it's much faster than it was with 450whp haha.
Makes 500ft-lbs at approx what my Cosmo 13B's idle was, runs on whatever pump fuel is handy, has full interior, and my 65yr old Mom can drive it to the store - it's all in the electronic controls (DBW, AEM Infinity trac ctrl, ID2000s x8, etc). Pulls over 1g acceleration in 1st-4th, 1.4g+ laterally and 1.6g braking on a 'street tire'. Tell me more about the awful handling! It does get 'rotary-like' mileage with the blown LSx though, so there's that.
Zac's car is, sadly, much faster in a straight line with what should be about the same power level - and there very well be faster track guys (1:18.0 @ Streets on break-in last season, 1:46-ish at BW CW13) with rotaries, but I think the 'group thinking' about what's usable and the effect of a V8 is a little silly.
Cheers!
Edit: I would absolutely love to come out to VIR, but it's far and I'm cheap. I used to ride bikes there and love it!
Either way please post vids
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FD's are terrible drift cars *in my opinion*, but I'm sure a pro would have fun with it.
Daily drove it with a LS6 in 2010, then this build started in 2011 as a Redline TA Modified-class rule-exploiter and fun street car - they allow unlimited aero and power as long as you run a 80tw tire and have interior... still lots left in it. This combo should be the Modified (or Limited in GTA) setup to beat.
SoW video was done after the fact, didn't expect to post it since it was a shakedown day, but it was the fastest 'street car' time I'd heard of, so I had to put it together. Braking (new brakes), handling (spring rates and packer), and power application (OS Giken 8.8) have all been substantially improved by now, but no new videos to compare to.
I don't have BW vids edited together, just Vbox logs of sections - 1:45.x was the 'theoretical fast lap', but had traffic our whole day (didn't have the track to ourselves, and didn't expect to be that fast).
This remains my only vid at BW, and it's posted by someone else (but I love the sound) -
FD's are terrible drift cars *in my opinion*, but I'm sure a pro would have fun with it.
Daily drove it with a LS6 in 2010, then this build started in 2011 as a Redline TA Modified-class rule-exploiter and fun street car - they allow unlimited aero and power as long as you run a 80tw tire and have interior... still lots left in it. This combo should be the Modified (or Limited in GTA) setup to beat.
SoW video was done after the fact, didn't expect to post it since it was a shakedown day, but it was the fastest 'street car' time I'd heard of, so I had to put it together. Braking (new brakes), handling (spring rates and packer), and power application (OS Giken 8.8) have all been substantially improved by now, but no new videos to compare to.
I don't have BW vids edited together, just Vbox logs of sections - 1:45.x was the 'theoretical fast lap', but had traffic our whole day (didn't have the track to ourselves, and didn't expect to be that fast).
This remains my only vid at BW, and it's posted by someone else (but I love the sound) -
Last edited by gsxrjjordan; Mar 30, 2015 at 09:08 PM.
Very interesting and very fast. Fastest I ran CW at SOW is 1:22 with my current street tires . CCW 1:24 but with my old tires and setup.
its my goal to break 1:21 at SOW CW. Hitting the teens is one hell of an accomplishment
its my goal to break 1:21 at SOW CW. Hitting the teens is one hell of an accomplishment
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Low 1:20's is fast! I think a 1:15-1:16 is in the bag with the current setup, but the really fast guys are closer to 1:10, and I don't see getting there.
Having a pro driver help develop the suspension and the best aero guy for the diffuser and underbody elements really helps though, and I bet I would drive it to a leisurely 1:25 if I took it out there right now haha. As long as we're out having fun and making forward progress, I'm a fan of whatever setup everyone's got - I'm not out to **** in anyone's Wheaties
Having a pro driver help develop the suspension and the best aero guy for the diffuser and underbody elements really helps though, and I bet I would drive it to a leisurely 1:25 if I took it out there right now haha. As long as we're out having fun and making forward progress, I'm a fan of whatever setup everyone's got - I'm not out to **** in anyone's Wheaties
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Low 1:20's is fast! I think a 1:15-1:16 is in the bag with the current setup, but the really fast guys are closer to 1:10, and I don't see getting there.
Having a pro driver help develop the suspension and the best aero guy for the diffuser and underbody elements really helps though, and I bet I would drive it to a leisurely 1:25 if I took it out there right now haha. As long as we're out having fun and making forward progress, I'm a fan of whatever setup everyone's got - I'm not out to **** in anyone's Wheaties
Having a pro driver help develop the suspension and the best aero guy for the diffuser and underbody elements really helps though, and I bet I would drive it to a leisurely 1:25 if I took it out there right now haha. As long as we're out having fun and making forward progress, I'm a fan of whatever setup everyone's got - I'm not out to **** in anyone's Wheaties
Some fill their bowl with rotary goodness others prefer v8 goodness but nobody likes ****. Share the love not the hate
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Armen, do you have power steering on your car out if curiosity? I really like how your car is dual purpose. Looked great in the video.
Armen, do you have power steering on your car out if curiosity? I really like how your car is dual purpose. Looked great in the video.
Also lately, although there is no slop in the steering, the wheel randomly vibrates or feels jerky/un-precise during hard cornering. Tram lines really hard sometimes as well. Im thinking maybe its some sort of front suspension bushing or ball joint wear.