Viper & FD Comparo...

 

I hope in 10 years the e60 m5 is as expensive as the 2000ish m5 is today. 15-20k for that beast? yes please.

 

So $15-20k for a used and abused BMW?

No thanks..

 

Finally someone gets it about supras. People generally take the straight line performance route because its dsmn easy to do with this car.

Its common sense. You revolve around the standing point of performance of the car. Like the fd. Not exactly super powerful but it is fast and very light so people use it for track.

If the main point of the supra was to go fast straight, people will continue from there. Because it's easy.

ANY car can be competitive on a track. And supra is no slouch. For its weight, it pulled similar numbers as the better, marginally better than the fd too. And that's impressive.

You can't argue toyota hit the jackpot with the 2jz. Its bulletproof. Perfect car to put the engine into. It was a touring car for the street and still can kick *** on the track.

 

The GTS is much more easy on the eyes than the srt-10..

 

Yea, comparing a Gen II and III viper is apples to oranges. The Gen II GTS is a work of art(better looking than the fd even). The Gen III Vipers still look good(especially the coupes) but dont have the "it" factor the Gen IIs have. However, the ergonomics of the Gen III are light years ahead of the Gen IIs.

The Gen II Viper GTS are one of the few sports cars I would ever own for a weekend warrior outside of the FD. Best looking car ever built under $100k in my opinion.

 

Very well put...couldn't have said it better myself.

Before getting the NSX, I really wanted a Viper GTS, but then realized the NSX was the better car to drive everyday and was less expensive.

Also, Viking War Hammer....what watch is that?

 

To me, that is not enough. There has to be something about the car that makes it unique and special to be a collectable. Its so funny how off topic we are haha. This is a great discussion. The Supra could be better in every way to the FD but in the end, to me it is just a great performer while an FD is unique.

I couldn't agree more.

 

If you were on a different forum, a muscle car forum perhaps where weight and power go hand in hand you may get some cheers but MOST of the members here like the FD because it's the exact opposite of the supra so naturally you're not going see too many cheers for the Supra.

Again I used to think it was a cool looking car but not so much at this time which immediately tells me it's not going to be much of a player down the road in the classic show room.

Any car with enough invested is fast on any circuit.

The only reason the Supra won SOME of the magazine test is because the FD was handicapped with 225 50 16 tires. I don't know about you fellas but I'm never seen a car that weighs 2780 and up running on 225s begin to approach the .94 to .97 Gs that the FD pulled.

I have no idea what goes on in the real world outside of the states but here the supra hasn't done much. The FD dominated auto crosses for 10 years until the c5 came out, where was the supra?

 

Another car in complete contrast to the FD although in many ways it's similar. Years ago people would refer to the FD as the baby viper. It's as if someone took the best lines from the FD, blew them up cartoon style and then placed them side by side building block style.

I also agree that it's a very VERY cool car and one day I'd like to own one however I'll probably end up with a newer ACR version because it's a track beast

 

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I think you made a good choice with that lime green GT3 RS, Fritz

 

Yes!!! Good choice brian.

The car I wanted to get before the fd but didn't have the funds at the time. maybe its time to reconsider that option.

 

Gordon, I understand where you are coming from but my ricey side of me have to disagree with you about the Supra.

I have seen older Vipers and if you are talking about fit and finish, its par with new GT40's fit and finish. Yes, there are far more Mark IV Supras out there (like corvettes, sometimes hard to separate Z06s from), but GTE 6SP versions are in fact well put together car with one of the toughest drive train at that time (or even today's standard) and far less floating around. Yes, it doesn't look as nice as NSX, but as an enthusiast's point, Supra has far more potentials then NSX. That said, IF I was to replace an FD (if I have to for some godly reason) I would consider a Supra as potentials are there at reasonable value. But I would pick NSX as a daily, put some springs to lower it, get some nice wheels, just so I could get people turning their heads and telling me how nice the car is.... but we all know, as a car people, who gives a sh*t what normal Joes tell us. I rather have select few FD owners telling me how well I put my car together vs. 1000 honda boys telling me how nice my car is... I put more weight these days into how modifiable the car is, value, rarity, and lastly looks as a car enthusiast/tinkerer.. But I guess if you are a 'car collector', all that doesn't matter and you just want to look at the cars in stock form.. in that case, you are getting the car as an piece of art work. You buy it, store it, and you don't touch it. Like buying a work from Picasso.. You don't buy a can of paint and try to add more color to it. You let it sit and admire until you are ready to sell it for 2x you paid for..

 

No doubt

When you're running around a track for fun it's a all about how FUN a given car is to drive and that's what the FD and GT3 are all about.

However if you want to go fast, take home some wood and win some tires you are better off with American muscle or Japanese all wheel drive but the best of both worlds might just be the LSX FD.

 

It just did. Now the interior is not an exact copy but there were enough similarities that the instance I go in it I experienced a "WTF???" reaction. Again it's supposed to be a 90K car why couldn't honda design an interior worthy of its exterior (and price tag)? Or at least something that doesn't resemble their econo commuter bottom of the barrel model. Yeah I know that the NSX is hand built, but did it really need to be? In comparison the FD is mass produced and yet it produces similar stats. IMO all it did was jack up the price an extra 50K and hence they had cut cost somewhere and to me it is obvious where.

Never driven one so I can't say anything objectively about that. But it does seem rather appealing.

Exactly know your audience. I personally think the supra is ugly as sin, but at the same time it’s a cool kind of ugly.

My first FD died in a fire in 98 so I was itching for anything to replace it. The end result was that I got a chance to test drive quite a few contenders. Included in that pack was a twin turbo supra (I had no idea that the TT’s were so rare). The sales man just let me and my friend go by ourselves so I got the opportunity to really beat up on it. It was cool but it just felt too big, when we took hard corners you could really feel it. It wasn’t a good replacement so I didn’t get it.

From my experience I learned that the FD3S brings a perfect balance of what I like in a sports car. Great looking, light, nimble, sitting in the cockpit is just amazing, easy to make scary fast, easy to work on, and has a cult like following. It may not be the top dog in any particular category but it is the overall champion (IMO). So when I say I drive what I like, it is the plain truth.

 

Great, more pics will soon follow to prove how awesome the interior is

The reason I like the Noble is because it continues the FD "bred for the track" theme, and is even lighter (i.e. moving in the right direction)

 

The only thing which stands out compared to other manufacturers' cars and makes the RX7 unique is it's engine and an engine by itself is not a decider. But even when talking about engines, I don't know if the world has seen a more bulletproof engine than the 2JZ. If having no pistons is something special than being unbreakable is also something special. Just like the RX7, Supra has a unique design and many ppl including myself love the curvy rear end design. It has an active front spoiler. The dashboard design was very unique at the time and sounds great with an aftermarket exhaust.

To you and Gmonsen FD may be unique and Supra not but if we are talking facts like sales figures, media attention, amount of participation in motorsport events at any level you'll see that RX7, Supra, NSX and GTR are all in the same boat.

Think about it, they were all released around the same time, they were all made by Japanese manufacturers to show their max potential to the world and all made an atomic bomb impact and gained fans instantly all around the world. They all stood the test of time so far. We all love the RX7 more and RX7 is lighter and more fun stock for stock but let's not kid ourselves, it's not anymore special than the other 3.

Let me make my point more clear, a RX7 is more unique and special to us but in reality it isn't any special than a NSX, Supra or a GTR, they all made automotive history one way or another.

I am not trying to convince anyone to like Supra, I am trying to convince people not to deny it. It's like saying we all like blonds here in this forum so we think Claudia Schiffer is a supermodel but Cindy Crawford isn't. I am saying I also like blonds but whether you find her attractive or not Cindy Crawford is/was also a supermodel.

 

It's not just performance and some vents and fenders.. it's all the engineering that went into the car. the car is just amazing for a 4 door sedan and honestly it's the best four door sedan ever made. if you haven't driven one i recommend u to and i promise it will change a lot about the way u think about bmw's.

i love my 20B fd, it handles like a go-kart and it has plenty of power to out run bikes not to mention it looks sexy *** hell. . but the few cars that i would trade it for are: a supercharged z06 or TT, Zr1, porsche GT3 RS, HKS R35 GTR.

let's face it it our cars are about to be 20 years old and their is nothing like the feeling and smell of a new car.

+1 u could of not said it better. i own a RPI e60 M5 and i love it! i can carry my family and drive it around town like a normal car and it can also get down and dirty with all the exotics out there.

 

I am late to the thread but if I sold the FD tomorrow and the money had to go to another car, It would be a '99 Miata with a Flying Miata turbo kit. Any extra would go to a set of 275/35/15 Hoosier A6s mounted on 15x10s and suspension bits.
Some other more expensive choices:
Turbo Porsche Cayman
STI (it does stink leaving the fd put away for several months a year due to snow)

My FD has been in storage for 3 years due to birth of kids but I just cannot pull the trigger on getting more serious about selling it. In my mind it is just that much better than any newer car I could buy down the road several years.

 

3400 or 2800

piston or rotary

Big traditional GT chassis on 4 wheels w/ a big fat *** or small inventive ground breaking chassis over 4 wheels w/ a little tight *** hehe.

Big spacious interior with arcade like gauges or small interior that wraps around the driver with purposeful minimalist gauges


I'd find it extremely hard for either a true Supra lover to choose an FD or for a true FD lover to choose the Supra. The cars are NIGHT AND DAY, man or woman it's not a blonde or a Brunette choice which is why like Gordon all I can do is politely say "yep the supra is OK".

 

i like fat asses

I'm jealous of your GT 3 RS.. i want one!

 

I hear that and the GT3 brings more *** to the fight than the ba dunk-a-dunk on a cholo

 

LOL

 

I disagree.

I almost agree. I think the NSX had the largest impact by a large margin.