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Old 12-31-10, 05:02 PM
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^There are plenty of FI options for an NSX, just most of them are very expensive. In all honesty, a 3.2/6-speed NSX is a bit quicker than a stock FD. They definately arent the car for someone thats power hungry and on a budget, but ID be perfectly happy driving even one with modest bolt ons. Ive recently driven a friends '91, which is the 3.0/5-speed. Honestly it wasnt much faster than my S2000 (slow) but I enjoyed it very much.
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Reasonable car?

As a father of three step-chlidren I acutally had to make that decision a year and a half ago.

My step-daughter ran up some huge medical bills which I am paying off (she's in grad school). My 94 RX-7 had to go to be able make the budget balance. Then my daily driver, a 94 Ford Escort wagon, went belly up.

What to get next? The realities of owning a thoroughbred like an RX-7 just aren't practical for me at this time. I ended up buying a low mileage 2006 Infiniti G-35 coupe. It is the most reliable car I have ever owned and the maintenance costs me less than the Escort.

While it is not a screamer like the RX-7, it's 300 horses are more than what you need for legal driving and having a little fun on the entrance ramps. With Blizzak snow tires, it's been good for our crummy winters.

While I'd like another 94 RX-7 some day, The G35 will suffice until I can afford another second car.
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Originally Posted by Sled Driver
Year; 2000

Cost; $74,000

Alaska Airlines stock has tripled in value over the past 2 years (& I owned a **** load)
Plus, as noted, I sold my FD (with all the mods separately) & my Lexus SC430.

Well if you fly an SR-71 I think that you have us all beat!
Old 04-03-11, 10:18 AM
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scratch the turbo kit from the prht Miata and add a semi-peri N/A 20B swap in there

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older NSX with pop-up headlights
Lotus Elise or Exige
Mazdaspeed 3 or 6 or even CX-7 with some mods
Power Hard top Miata with turbo kit
91 turbo MR-2

those are for my personal interest, now for picking up girls I'd need a BMW, Mercedes, Audi or Porsche
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I dont remember what i posted here back then, if i did in fact post in this thread already.

But if i had to replace the FD right now, even trade with no money more to give with the FD, realistically, it would be...


Bolt on C6Z.

600rwhp MKIV supra (dont care about color or year)

98 viper GTS


I know those cars mentioned are worth a lot more than my FD but i was just saying if some miracle i was given the chance to make that exchange with no money involved, i would do it.

That being said i cant sell mine to get any of the 3 above. I rather work hard to add on to the FD. And have both.
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I'll narrow it down to production cars or else I'd have a hard time making up my mind haha. And somewhat reasonable pricing:

Cayman R

If price wasn't much of an object:

McLaren MP4-12C
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Probably a rwd Porsche if I can keep the sports car theme. Maybe a Cayman or 911S.

If I need a sedan, maybe an e39 BMW M5.
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NSX



To this day, the NSX is still a car that is near and dear to my heart. I put 75,000 Km on my NSX over the course of six or seven years.


It's very difficult to discuss the NSX using current values and sensibilities. When the NSX debuted, the word "supercar" was still a relatively new idea in Europe. There are some who would say the Lamborghini Miura from the late 1960s was the first supercar. However, the truth is the explosion of modern supercars really started at the end of the 1980s.


At the end of the 80s was the time when McLaren Cars was conceiving the idea for the McLaren F1. To that end, I was concentrating on coming up with what I wanted in a road car.


To my thinking, the ideal car is one in which I could get in the driver's seat and be out for a drive in downtown London, and then want to continue straight on to southern France. A car that you can trust, with functional air conditioning, and retains daily drivability. No offset pedals allowed. No high dashboards restricting your view either. Having a low roof hitting your head every time you go over a bump in the name of aerodynamics and styling is out of the question. It is essential that a supercar be a pleasure to drive, and anything detracting from that must be excised.


I started by driving the cars known then as "supercars." The Porsche 959, Bugatti EB110, Ferrari F40, Jaguar XJ220. Unfortunately, none of these fit the pattern of the supercar we were trying to build. What we wanted was a relatively compact, usable driver's car. The Porsche 911 had the usability, but with the engine packed in the back, it had a weakness in its handling stability.


During this time, we were able to visit with Ayrton Senna (the late F1 Champion) and Honda's Tochigi Research Center. The visit related to the fact that at the time, McLaren's F1 Grand Prix cars were using Honda engines.


Coincidentally, I spotted an NSX prototype parked near the course. I also learned at the time that Ayrton was assisting in the development of the NSX. And that Honda rear mid-engined sports car--the NSX--was the friendly supercar that we had been looking for. This car had perfectly functional air conditioning, a reasonably roomy trunk, and of course, it was a Honda, with the high levels of quality and reliability that implies.
Then I had the opportunity to drive it. Along with Ron Dennis (President, McLaren Cars) and Mansour Ojjeh (Tag McLaren Group Representative), we drove the prototype on the Tochigi Research Center test course. I remember being moved, thinking, "It is remarkable how our vision comes through in this car."


Of course as you know, the engine has only six cylinders; however, the NSX's very rigid chassis is excellent and would easily be capable of handling more power. Although it's true I had thought it would have been better to put a larger engine, the moment I drove the "little" NSX, all the benchmark cars--Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini--I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target.
When working on the development of a new car for years, it's easy to be caught in certain pitfalls. When you drive the car under development for testing every day (in truth, I was responsible for two-thirds of the testing for the McLaren F1), in that time, you can unknowingly convince yourself you are making progress when in fact you are not. For example, it's human nature that at the end of a long day you may want to think that your efforts to reduce low speed harshness are working better than they are. It is at times like this when you need a car to compare with. In those situations, the NSX time and again showed us the path in the areas of ride quality and handling, and also helped us recognize when we weren't making as much progress as we thought.


In my opinion, the NSX's most special quality has long been overlooked.
That could be summarized with the words, "The NSX's suspension is amazing."


Both the body and suspension are aluminum, and it probably couldn't be helped that journalists' attention has been focused on praising the aluminum body. However, the suspension is the much more impressive use of aluminum.


It's lightweight, tough, yet compliant. Also contributing to the refined NSX's handling and ride quality are 17 inch wheels and tires that are not overly large. The NSX's suspension is truly an ingenious system, and back then I imagined the development costs must have been enormous. To achieve that unparalleled accuracy and superior ride quality, longitudinal wheel movement is allowed via the use of a compliance pivot. (※)


(※) Compliance refers to when you travel over a bump, the tire experiences a longitudinal force, which the tire and suspension must move with and absorb the shock. The pivot couples the upper and lower arms. It is connected to the arms via ball joints so that they move as a unit. When encountering input, the pivot rotates, keeping alignment changes to near zero while retaining compliance (see diagram). The inspiration obtained from this NSX suspension system would later influence the development of the McLaren F1's suspension.


The NSX was also the first car to use DBW (Drive By Wire). It felt very pleasing. DBW is when instead of using a mechanical cable, an electronic signal is used to communicate throttle position. It achieved a very natural, linear feeling throttle, and I can now hide my embarrassment and confess that I copied the idea during the development of the McLaren F1 (laughs).
The low-slung NSX's driver's seat position also provided just the right head clearance and an amazing field of view. The NSX development team moved the air conditioning unit away from the dash and deep into the NSX's nose in order to obtain more space. That air conditioning unit is an excellent one, and normally, you don't notice whether it's on or not.


On the day I bought the NSX, I pressed the "Auto" button and since then until selling it, I never had to touch it. It was that perfect. Ah, I also remember the audio system as being very good.


However, the media wrote up the aluminum body, and the many merits and advantages I perceived in the NSX have largely been overlooked.


In my opinion, the NSX, while being such a great sports car, had two large flaws in it's marketing. First, at the time, the public was not ready to accept a Japanese car that was this expensive. The second is that for supercar customers, the power figures were not quite high enough. Of course, the prototype's engine was not bad, and soon the VTEC engine was added. Whenever I hear that VTEC sound it's amazing. I am repeating myself, but the NSX's excellent chassis would have been capable of handling much more power.


With just a slightly lower price, or possibly selling it with a different brand name and a different badge, or perhaps endowing it with atouch flashier and more aggressive styling and additional power, there is no question the NSX would have reigned as a cult star of the supercars.


However, during that time, in Honda's philosophy there was a resistance to large engines with many cylinders. I am not certain, but probably at the time, the voluntary restraint on power limits was a factor. Being a fan of Honda engines, I later went to Honda's Tochigi Research Center on two occasions and requested that they consider building for the McLaren F1 a 4.5 liter V10 or V12. I asked, I tried to persuade them, but in the end could not convince them to do it, and the McLaren F1 ended up equipped with a BMW engine.


The NSX's development costs must have been enormous. Everything on it is unique. The chassis, powertrain, even the air conditioning are peerless. That aluminum body was very expensive. The numerous hurdles overcome by the NSX to reach production in areas such as spot welding, corrosion, and repairability make it a monumental work in automotive history. The philosophy of creating a car for human beings is apparent throughout. If it were me, I probably would not have obsessed over the aluminum and would have settled for a steel structure with aluminum panels to try to achieve a similar weight reduction. But what I really want to emphasize is the suspension. It is a a groundbreaking use of aluminum.


There are a few things that could be improved on the NSX. First, the tires are too soft. Over the seven years I ran mine, I went through 14 sets of tires. After changing over to harder-compound Michelins in the rear, my tire life increased. As a result, rear grip was decreased slightly, but driving became more fun. The NSX's traction control and ABS are first generation systems and as a result are somewhat slow-acting. I also missed having more storage space in the interior. However, such things hardly seem significant in a sports car of this caliber.


The NSX is a landmark car. It awoke not only a lazy Ferrari, but Porsche as well and sparked advances in usability, ergonomics, and handling. It may not have achieved success from a marketing standpoint, but many influential and important people have owned them. The NSX is also unusual in that it continued to be on sale for so long. If I were to looking for that type of car now, I would--without a doubt--gladly own an NSX
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NSX
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I honestly believe an nsx has one up on the FD in looks.

Stock vs stock.

And NO FD on this forum can beat viking's NSX in looks.

Close would be rx7rages, phils MB and 20bstew.

Other than that, viking's nsx is GORGEOUS.
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The NSX looks dated, I've had more than one person who knows sports cars tell me that - way too much of the 90s kit car look going on. It's time has past. With that said, supercharged NSXs are highly impressive on the track, it's just big $$$ to get there and you'd have a hard time beating a Z06 anyway

I like the 1994 Corvette ZR1 a lot
I don't understand why. Yes, the engine is cool but c'mon, it's a C4, they are barges
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My pick for the best replacement for an FD, which most closely mimics it's character, is a supercharged or turbocharged S2000 - you can get 350 rwhp out of them without breaking too much of a sweat (or breaking the bank), and the engines are easy to work on and bulletproof below 500 rwhp

That will be my next project
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Originally Posted by yzf-r1
My pick for the best replacement for an FD, which most closely mimics it's character, is a supercharged or turbocharged S2000 - you can get 350 rwhp out of them without breaking too much of a sweat (or breaking the bank), and the engines are easy to work on and bulletproof below 500 rwhp

That will be my next project
I've been eyeballing S2Ks to build an aggressive street car out of.

My options, seeing as how I've been looking at other cars fairly often, are an 06-07 Lotus Exige, 06-07 Porsche Cayman S, S2K, 09-10 STi and if I somehow win the lotto, a 2011-12 GTR.


The Porsche and the Lotus can both be had for around 35K. The Suby and the S2K for under 30K and the GTR for more money than I could afford.
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Originally Posted by yzf-r1
The NSX looks dated, I've had more than one person who knows sports cars tell me that - way too much of the 90s kit car look going on. It's time has past.
How strange, I've heard quite the Opposite. Everywhere I go, I get


Originally Posted by yzf-r1
With that said, supercharged NSXs are highly impressive on the track, it's just big $$$ to get there and you'd have a hard time beating a Z06 anyway
And in the end, you have a over saturated car that will depreciate faster than it's 0-60.
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It's a rare and unusual car, it will get looks - lust? from a few - looks yes
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Originally Posted by yzf-r1
It's a rare and unusual car, it will get looks - lust? from a few - looks yes
Rare and unusual? Come on. A car that I would describe as rare and unusual would be the Mitsuoka Orochi.

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I really like my G35, I've had two as DD's, both turbocharged making 400whp at 8psi. Came with the brembo BBK offered from the factory, 6 speed tranny, beautiful sound and great looks too. And with an upgraded block you can push 600whp no problem (w/ turbo kit and supporting mods of course). The stock sport suspension isn't bad, and decent coilovers can be had for the same price as FD coilovers.

There is also huge aftermarket support for it.

The only downside is the weight. But for a mostly street driven car, the weight doesn't matter all that much. You can get a 2004 for around 12k now, with mileage under 100k miles.

If I couldn't have an RX7 as a toy and could only have 1 car (I drive my G in the north east winters by the way), I think the G is a great alternative.

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If/when I get rid of the FD, I think it would either be for a newer sports car, like an RX-9...but more realistically it would be for a '71-78 Datsun 240, 260, 280Z.

My brother has a '78 280Z with an RB25 in it. Stock internals it made 440rwhp....now with built internals who knows. He's had it for several years, and eventually sold it to my best friend who ended up putting some much needed body work into the car. My brother ended up buying the Z back from him for the same amount he sold it to him for (talk about a deal!!).

Hell, even with my 2JZ FD I'M jealous. See for yourself:











If I got one, I'd put a 2JZ into it though. heehee

^.^
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I would probably have to go with the gtr. Obvi not in the same price range, but i dont think i could give up my FD for anything less
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Skyline GTR - Hands down.

Z06 drives like a tractor. Heavy steering, pedals & sloppy gearbox. (From Experience) Everything an FD is NOT!!!!

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Maybe if I could AFFORD a new GT-R....suuuuuuure, why not. lol

I guess it would kind of depend on how much I'd get from selling my FD.

I'd rather just have a $10k 2JZ 280Z build over ANY $80,000+ car though. Something about being in the military pretty much makes those cars unrealistic......unless I go Officer! lol :P
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NSX....

I tried to pick one up back in 1999, 2002, and 2006. The last attempt was the one that made me never to try to pick up one of these cars again... I had a cashier's check in my hand and I drove from Bham, AL to Pensacola, FL with my friend SPOAuto to pick up this car. I called Dale Clark to use his garage to check the car and was going to drive it home... But like most (I'm sure Viking War Hammer is more knowledgeable) NSX owners I've met, they lack general knowledge in cars, make things up so that the car is better than anything out there, etc. This particular car was 95 blk on blk and the owner told me the paint was a "show quality" with zero oil leak. When I actually saw the car, paint was 3 out of 10 with very poor patch paint work, fades everywhere, and just very poor maintenance (completely different from pictures). When we lifted the car up, oil was everywhere including around the valve cover. Funny part was that the owner told me, "You could pick up all kinds of girls with this car!" (he was some mid 50s guy who worked at a radio station). I'm thinking, that's not why I was going to buy this car.. Anyhow, I wasted a day, 500+ miles of drive time, because some moron NSX owner. Unfortunately, ALL NSX owners I've met were like that so far... They rely on the dealership and never did they turn a wrench on their car. They drive it for some status symbol and not as a true enthusiast to learn about the car (like most rotary guys I know). Hence I've decided NOT to get one. Also, if you look at what newer ones goes for, its very close to GTR pricing (off by maybe 10K). I mean 2005 NSXs on Ebay goes for 50-70+K... No way its worth that in my mind.
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if i have to get rid of my fd i would split the cash and get a motorcycle like 600 rr which i had before the fd and then pick up one of those fox body mustangs and use the money left over to fix up mustang
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You're right, the majority of these guys only allow dealers to touch their cars. As RX7 owners, we know how disasterous that can be. Suprisingly, our local NSX guys work on their cars and actually race them. So, they actually know what they're talking about.

I'm thankful that when I bought mine, I didn't run into any problems. It also helped that I had a NSX expert on NSXPRIME inspect it before I flew out there. I've never had more fun in a car than I'm having with this NSX.

I wouldn't give up on the search Herblenny! Keep on looking!

I just had to post this picture of the SUV.



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NSX....

I tried to pick one up back in 1999, 2002, and 2006. The last attempt was the one that made me never to try to pick up one of these cars again... I had a cashier's check in my hand and I drove from Bham, AL to Pensacola, FL with my friend SPOAuto to pick up this car. I called Dale Clark to use his garage to check the car and was going to drive it home... But like most (I'm sure Viking War Hammer is more knowledgeable) NSX owners I've met, they lack general knowledge in cars, make things up so that the car is better than anything out there, etc. This particular car was 95 blk on blk and the owner told me the paint was a "show quality" with zero oil leak. When I actually saw the car, paint was 3 out of 10 with very poor patch paint work, fades everywhere, and just very poor maintenance (completely different from pictures). When we lifted the car up, oil was everywhere including around the valve cover. Funny part was that the owner told me, "You could pick up all kinds of girls with this car!" (he was some mid 50s guy who worked at a radio station). I'm thinking, that's not why I was going to buy this car.. Anyhow, I wasted a day, 500+ miles of drive time, because some moron NSX owner. Unfortunately, ALL NSX owners I've met were like that so far... They rely on the dealership and never did they turn a wrench on their car. They drive it for some status symbol and not as a true enthusiast to learn about the car (like most rotary guys I know). Hence I've decided NOT to get one. Also, if you look at what newer ones goes for, its very close to GTR pricing (off by maybe 10K). I mean 2005 NSXs on Ebay goes for 50-70+K... No way its worth that in my mind.
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Viking, I hear ya.. like I said, I'm sure there are exception to NSX owners.. I just haven't ran into someone who really knew about cars.. maybe its regional?

Anyhow, here is a pic I took when GTR first came out..



They are huge, but at this point, having a back seat and being higher up might help if I want to drive it every day. Also, wife gave me a thumbs up in one of these when they come down to somewhere in the 40s.. We'll see when that's going to happen


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