mdp... That's the MKIII and not the MKIV, which is significantly more expensive. Concours MKIV's are $90,000.

 

I have to, admit I know nothing about Supras, and have little interest in them. But, a quick check with Google and it looks like production of the Mk4 began in April 1993 and production if the Mk3 ended in May 1993. Hagerty list the last Mk3 production as 1992 models and the first Mk4 production as a 1993 models. I leave it to the Supra fans to enlighten us.

 

Interesting the 2nd gen RX-7 gets no love...

 

The USDM MKIII was 86.5-1992. I think alot of people call the MKIV Supra a 1993.5. Either way, both of your pics show "MKIV", the 2nd pic for 1993 is just the N/A version.

Also your last pic for the 1992 comparison wouldnt be fair either, as that is a N/A FC. 1991 is the last they show for the turbo FC.

 

i don’t think any of us can say with certainty one way or the other. The highest price 65k mike FD I’m aware of selling is Adams 94 CW car in Cali which sold for $35k. I believe he found the right buyer and not sure that would be an easy sale again. That was also with the current most desired color of a FD.

The 97 Jade Green Supra was a 6 speed and a 97, but it was Jade Green and not a desired color but rare. With 62k miles it brought $79k with fees. That’s more then even the 4K mile Fd brought. It is still difficult in this market to sell a 50k mile FD for $30k, most seem to bring $25-30k at this time. This same 50k mile Fd would have been $17-20k 3 years ago which is still a great improvement. If you list a 50k mile 6 speed Supra for sale for $60k right now it will sell within an hour. It’s current value depending year and condition is $65-85k. The FD market is getting stronger but I still feel the Supra is out pacing it.

 

Yeah. When 50k-90k mileage FDs start going for big money then we're in business.

 

Yep both markets are extremely strong at this time. I do not understand the supra thing (the car hasn't aged as well), but if I was a drag/horse power guy I'd probably own one

There are probably more Supras listed on Autotrader than FDs. The tide is turning

PS easily sold my 94 CW PEG with 52k miles for good money (not even listed). I think it would have brought 40k plus if professionally listed etc.....

 

All those FDs listed on autotrader for 30 to 40k that haven't sold will start to sell soon, or It's happening right now

 

Because it was CW. These other cars aren't moving that fast. Selling a CYM or CW FD is similar to the a RSP or QS Supra. A non turbo low mileage 98 QS Supra would likely bring equal or more money then the current record setting FD of $70k.

As far as the Supra not aging as well, From the side and rear its still a great looking car. From the front it looks too bubbly. However, getting FD guys to understand the value of the supra and vice versus will likely never happen, Very few can grasp both. FD owners made a decision somewhere in life that driving experience trumps all.....like reliability, comfort, quality, noise, smell and convenience. Surpa owners decided for the all around better built vehicle with much more comfort and reliability but lack driving experience and looks(my opinion anyways). A lot of Supra guys are also very egotistical/attention craving as the car does pull way more attention(from dudes) then the FD does. The average FD owner is often of an engineering or mechanical background. To each their own and I want to believe like you guys the FD is catching up but its not at this time.

 

I think now is a good time to remind viewers of the sales price database that was started a while ago. Responses have slowed into 2019 but are still trickling in. If anyone wants to collaborate on this please to plot data or other things PM me, the other gentleman who was working on this sold his FD.

Here is the form link: https://forms.gle/mARM5jds5feBmfXk9
Here is the live response page for viewing: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XfYEZB/pubhtml

 

I am heavily involved in both communities and I would say that's probably true for half of the supra owners, which is why a lot of them end up running like ****. I don't really know many of those guys personally as they don't really seem to be all that interested in hanging out in the community. But many are just like the FD owners, with plenty of mechanical and tuning experience. The biggest difference is that the Supra guys put like 90% of the money and effort into the engine to make it go as fast as possible, while FD guys care more about the balance of the car. With a moderately sized single turbo, the Supra really wakes up and the driving experience is also really good. You're right though, a high percentage of my FD friends are a bunch of dorks with some kind of engineering background.

 

Just entered mine today. Thanks for keeping this going.

 

Every Supra buddy of mine lost their minds when I bought mine and I removed the 71mm turbo and installed a 58mm turbo. The car was fun and responsive and made 500/450 at the wheels on pump gas. AC was ice cold but I never loved the car. I like them and still do, just don’t give me the same thrill as a Fd.

 

lol

 

YEP

I like the supra and a lot of other cars (not worth owning). At this point to me the Supra doesn't look great from any angle. 20 years ago I thought it was badass.

I love the FD along with the GT3 and not much else LOL (worth owning)

 

YEP

Like we've been saying you will have no issues selling CW, R2, Base 94/95, SSM PEP or PEG/black etc....

Good luck selling that 93 mb or VR/tan touring with high mileage though

 

So, as long as this is the pricing thread. Who wants to guess what a 1993 MB Touring 5spd, 2 owner, 55k miles, reliability mods done (Koyo rad, metal AST, ceramic coated DP), but otherwise stock car would fetch later this summer? Cosmetically it's definitely in the nice driver range, but has chips/etc as you'd expect for a car of it's age.

 

Cool neighborhood

25k all day everyday if it's clean, nothing missing, well maintained and everything is working etc.....in this ever appreciating market possibly 30k tomorrow or the next day hehe

 

50k in 2021.

 

LOL........yep

 

So what kind of market value does a fresh engine rebuild and new paint job fetch? Does that reset the mileage clock?

My 125,000 mile personal car has about 5,000 miles on the engine rebuild and now 0 miles on the paint. Given that it's mostly stock/unmolested and the interior is an 8.5/10 where would if fall on the mileage range?

 

Anything over a 100k miles and you are looking at a much lower price than a 50k mile FD because literally everything is nearing end life or timing out. All the electronics are about to freak out (cluster, cpu II etc...), the actuator motors, all rubber and plastic parts, bushings, ball joints, trans and diff etc....etc.... even the clutch bushing wears out causing play between the clutch and the clutch master rod....the things that wear on this car or any car are way too many to list, the cost, and the headache are through the roof, which is why low mileage cars sell at a premium.

A very high quality paint job can improve value while a cheap respray will hurt the value. NEW factory motor increases value, rebuild may or may not help depending upon compression who/how it was built etc.... A good stock motor with 75k miles can be a much better engine than a rebuild done poorly.

 

This is likely the MB base that just sold on BAT for 33,750 with 70k miles. Now listed at 44,900. I think we'll continue to see more of this. I don't think this car will sell anytime soon but it really could sell in a couple of years at 44. Crazy market.

https://www.auta.com/details/?listing=56937401

 

Yep, same vin. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mazda-rx-7-25/