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Old Jan 1, 2022 | 10:28 PM
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How many USA delivered '95s were made? 500? You get reinforced rear subframe, black interior, what else? Go see it, make that flight. Buy a round trip ticket so you're ready to bail
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Old Jan 1, 2022 | 10:46 PM
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The ABS system on the '95 is different--- the engine bay ABS unit is smaller and lighter. I don't see it as a huge advantage over a '93-'94, but it is different.
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Old Jan 2, 2022 | 12:36 AM
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I think there is a different spec. ECU for California. Maybe an extra emissions related valve or two?

Some people not only remove the air pump, they saw of the air pump mounting point.

Used air pumps should be easy to find. Removed mounting points, less so.
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 02:20 PM
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Biggest benefit of my '95 was R134a A/C right out of the box (maybe a few '94 models had it too). The A/C just works.
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 03:59 PM
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Biggest benefit of my '95 was R134a A/C right out of the box (maybe a few '94 models had it too). The A/C just works.
Ah, and I removed all of that stuff in my '95 car with a quickness in the quest for more power and suffering
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 09:55 AM
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Biggest benefit of my '95 was R134a A/C right out of the box (maybe a few '94 models had it too). The A/C just works.
I believe the switch to 134a started with the '94s but I could be wrong. That said, most would agree that you can't beat R12 for cooling ability. Finding it today for a recharge is another story. I remember when you could walk into any auto parts store and buy it for 2 or 3 bucks a can...
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 11:14 AM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by RX7gp
I believe the switch to 134a started with the '94s but I could be wrong. That said, most would agree that you can't beat R12 for cooling ability. Finding it today for a recharge is another story. I remember when you could walk into any auto parts store and buy it for 2 or 3 bucks a can...
it looks like it switches to R134 for the 1994 model year, and that would be all the 94-95's, no switching in the middle
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 11:19 AM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by mr2peak
How many USA delivered '95s were made? 500?
524 for North America. 25 to Canada, so that leaves 499 for the US, Guam, and Saipan
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
it looks like it switches to R134 for the 1994 model year, and that would be all the 94-95's, no switching in the middle
I could have sworn my friend's 94 model had R12 that he converted, but he sold that car a long time ago.
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by arghx
I could have sworn my friend's 94 model had R12 that he converted, but he sold that car a long time ago.
i could be wrong, maybe its only the 95? good trivia question!
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
i could be wrong, maybe its only the 95? good trivia question!
On this subject, were there any North American FDs with factory installed Denso R134 systems? I have never seen one, and just out of curiosity looked at all the 94-95 cars on BAT, looking at the close-ups of the AC driers, and every single one of them looked to have MANA systems. Nevertheless, the Mazda North American parts system had LHD Denso R134 parts. Were these parts intended only for retrofitting?
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Old Jan 8, 2022 | 02:25 AM
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BC Denso so desu.

My understanding is that the Canadian LHD never had the mana system. That said they may have had a Denso R12 to start. I believe the 1994 USDM electric trouble shooting manual has a wee lecture on the switch of to R134.

A few years ago I bought four compressors out of the UK. They were all denso r12. Luckily the seller threw in a R134 unsolicited. Good thing, as that was what I actually needed.

[I checked the August 1993 Electrical troubleshooting manual does cover the r134a system.]


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Old Jan 8, 2022 | 10:15 AM
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R12 switch started with the 95.
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Old Jan 8, 2022 | 10:29 AM
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From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by Aristo
On this subject, were there any North American FDs with factory installed Denso R134 systems? I have never seen one, and just out of curiosity looked at all the 94-95 cars on BAT, looking at the close-ups of the AC driers, and every single one of them looked to have MANA systems. Nevertheless, the Mazda North American parts system had LHD Denso R134 parts. Were these parts intended only for retrofitting?
In the USA there is a tax on imported cars with AC, so Mazda installed most AC systems here at the port. This is a thing from the 1970's to much later than you'd think, 2005 or maybe later.
Most US bound Mazda's have the AC put in here, the exception is if the install is too complex or if its a swanky model. Availability is a thing as well. for example a 1984-1985 Rx7 12A 90% of the time got a port installed Sanden system, the exception is if it had power steering, then it always gets the factory ND system. etc etc

so the FD, in general the Touring models get the Denso AC, the other models get the MANA system about 90% of the time. this is not an absolute thing, while it is probable that a Touring has the Denso setup, it is possible that it was a MANA car.

and then add 30 years of pulling the AC and putting it back
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Old Jan 8, 2022 | 08:58 PM
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Old Jan 8, 2022 | 09:53 PM
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Geez, and it's not even an S8!

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Old Jan 9, 2022 | 02:09 AM
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^ Crazy. Boomers want a slice of the FD pie too...
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Old Jan 9, 2022 | 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by j9fd3s
In the USA there is a tax on imported cars with AC, so Mazda installed most AC systems here at the port. This is a thing from the 1970's to much later than you'd think, 2005 or maybe later.
Most US bound Mazda's have the AC put in here, the exception is if the install is too complex or if its a swanky model. Availability is a thing as well. for example a 1984-1985 Rx7 12A 90% of the time got a port installed Sanden system, the exception is if it had power steering, then it always gets the factory ND system. etc etc

so the FD, in general the Touring models get the Denso AC, the other models get the MANA system about 90% of the time. this is not an absolute thing, while it is probable that a Touring has the Denso setup, it is possible that it was a MANA car.

and then add 30 years of pulling the AC and putting it back
Thanks for that, and to Redbul as well. I know quite a few 93 tourings had the factory Denso R12, but maybe the R134 Denso systems were only installed on Canadian LHD cars, as Redbul stated, hence the availability of those parts (before they were discontinued).
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Old Jan 9, 2022 | 04:22 AM
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Of course most of the RHD coming in will have the R134 systems. A surprising number of folk delete the system, to their later regret.

I have three different set-ups as far as hooking up to the dryer bottle.

And I don't think any are the mana.

I haven't tried to puzzle it all out successfully.

But there are various threads on here that make the attempt.

Tomsn16 has a good one.

I did manage to piece together an Canadian LHD R12 system last summer, save one cracked pipe.

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Originally Posted by Redbul
Geez, and it's not even an S8!
S8 are not federally legal here in the USA due to the 25 year stipulation. You're not going to see them at the major auctions etc IMO until ~2024.

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This thread from 2002 is a pretty interesting read, some of the heavy hitters from back then speculating on FD prices in the future:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...-years-128141/

MaxPesce had this to say almost 20 years ago:

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In the Next 3 years I wil agree w/ Jim - No appreciation for FDs
, BUT looking in the 2012+ time frame (ie 10 years after cessation of production of the 2002s) yes I think CLEAN, UNMODIFIED fd will appreciate significantly.
In 1974 I bought a 8year old E-type Jag for $1650, did lots of work restoring it an in 1976 could only get $1700 for it. BUT buy 1990 it would have gone in the $15-20k range and now would be worth $35k+
In general any car depreciates for 10 years to a bottom "salvage" value then stays there for a period of time. For reconized collectables that time may be as little as 2-3 years. For undesirable MASS Production cars the bottom may last 30 years (Ford Model T's from the 20s did not start to really appriciate untill the 60's)
The FD3S has all the traits needed to become Collectible:
Limited Production,
Unique/Unusual Engineering (Rotary Engine, Sequential Turbos), Aclaimed Styling,
Broad Appeal.
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Old Jan 9, 2022 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
This thread from 2002 is a pretty interesting read, some of the heavy hitters from back then speculating on FD prices in the future:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generati...-years-128141/

MaxPesce had this to say almost 20 years ago:
Does he give out lotto numbers as well?
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Old Jan 9, 2022 | 01:27 PM
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how about this one i know its just an old Mazda, https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-mazda-cosmo-4/
but $105k and $53 a pound it is way over the scrap value....

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https://www.rx7club.com/market/1155212 Interesting RHD for sale on the marketplace thread.

Seems to have a JDM VIN number, although stated to have been bought in England in 1994.

May even be a rare Type X manual.
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 12:14 PM
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So, I follow the Mecum auctions pretty closely and 2 FDs just crossed the block in Kissimmee Florida. Both cars went for 20k over what I was predicting, market is getting hot hot hot

https://www.mecum.com/auctions/kissi...lots/featured/

Oh, that white FD with the body kit...its a RHD JDM car.

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