How to value your FD
11-01-21, 12:37 AM
#4576
More pics of the Thailand tuner scene please.
Here:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-gen-gene...1148527/page5/
Here:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-gen-gene...1148527/page5/
11-01-21, 12:54 AM
#4577
Rotary Enthusiast
Hopefully there will be more events and whatnot, covid has severely restricted events. MotoGP was just cancelled. Fingers crossed, the "re-opening" of Thailand will go smoothly. As of November 1st there's no more curfew, but still no (legal) bars, and provinces are creating their own restrictions.
Once it's going again, I'll make a dedicated thread and do a nice picture dump. Lots of stickers, rows of gauges on the dash, big wings and Re-Amemiya kits of all types. A large percentage of cars are running singles, but mostly older single turbo setups, everyone still running T51Rs, TO4s, old HKS kits, and a surprising amount of Bridgeports. Once my EFR kit arrives (please hurry TurboSource) I'll be one of the very few people with a modern setup. We get lots of used parts through Japan, new parts get taxed at 30% + 30% on the shipping cost. The financial aspect really forces a lot of decisions, even if you're making "western money". FDs are the most common RX car by a wide margin
Once it's going again, I'll make a dedicated thread and do a nice picture dump. Lots of stickers, rows of gauges on the dash, big wings and Re-Amemiya kits of all types. A large percentage of cars are running singles, but mostly older single turbo setups, everyone still running T51Rs, TO4s, old HKS kits, and a surprising amount of Bridgeports. Once my EFR kit arrives (please hurry TurboSource) I'll be one of the very few people with a modern setup. We get lots of used parts through Japan, new parts get taxed at 30% + 30% on the shipping cost. The financial aspect really forces a lot of decisions, even if you're making "western money". FDs are the most common RX car by a wide margin
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mr2peak (11-01-21)
11-01-21, 09:00 AM
#4579
Hopefully there will be more events and whatnot, covid has severely restricted events. MotoGP was just cancelled. Fingers crossed, the "re-opening" of Thailand will go smoothly. As of November 1st there's no more curfew, but still no (legal) bars, and provinces are creating their own restrictions.
Once it's going again, I'll make a dedicated thread and do a nice picture dump. Lots of stickers, rows of gauges on the dash, big wings and Re-Amemiya kits of all types. A large percentage of cars are running singles, but mostly older single turbo setups, everyone still running T51Rs, TO4s, old HKS kits, and a surprising amount of Bridgeports. Once my EFR kit arrives (please hurry TurboSource) I'll be one of the very few people with a modern setup. We get lots of used parts through Japan, new parts get taxed at 30% + 30% on the shipping cost. The financial aspect really forces a lot of decisions, even if you're making "western money". FDs are the most common RX car by a wide margin
Once it's going again, I'll make a dedicated thread and do a nice picture dump. Lots of stickers, rows of gauges on the dash, big wings and Re-Amemiya kits of all types. A large percentage of cars are running singles, but mostly older single turbo setups, everyone still running T51Rs, TO4s, old HKS kits, and a surprising amount of Bridgeports. Once my EFR kit arrives (please hurry TurboSource) I'll be one of the very few people with a modern setup. We get lots of used parts through Japan, new parts get taxed at 30% + 30% on the shipping cost. The financial aspect really forces a lot of decisions, even if you're making "western money". FDs are the most common RX car by a wide margin
11-03-21, 04:31 PM
#4580
Definitely do not want to wade into the R1/Base/Touring value debate, but what does seem clear is that automatics sell for far less than manuals.
A clean 34k-mile silver FD sold for $26k recently on BAT (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-141/) and a 27k-mile silver FD just failed to meet its reserve at $33k (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-156/).
It's pretty standard for automatics to be worth less than manuals in the car enthusiast world, but a ~40% penalty is surprising.
A clean 34k-mile silver FD sold for $26k recently on BAT (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-141/) and a 27k-mile silver FD just failed to meet its reserve at $33k (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mazda-rx-7-156/).
It's pretty standard for automatics to be worth less than manuals in the car enthusiast world, but a ~40% penalty is surprising.
11-03-21, 05:52 PM
#4581
Yeah. I think that will change over time. Either the gap will narrow, or the values of both will go up further, or both. Look at the Supra's. They have 4 options - TT manual, TT auto, NA manual, NA auto. I don't think there is a fixed penalty for TT vs Auto, it varies depending on the auction. There is a decent gap for NA vs TT, but even an NA auto goes for over $50k at this point. FD won't catch that any time soon, but I expect an Auto to be worth in the 40's. It was crazy this one was in the low $20's until the last 24 hours of the auction. I almost had to buy another one haha
11-03-21, 07:17 PM
#4582
Recovering Miataholic
[QUOTE It's pretty standard for automatics to be worth less than manuals in the car enthusiast world, but a ~40% penalty is surprising.[/QUOTE]
In Southern California traffic, a manual transmission is the source of literal pain. Stop/go traffic is very hard on the left leg and the right hand. Our FD has become pretty much a garage queen mostly because of this. Of course this comment is highly age-related (driver, not car).
In Southern California traffic, a manual transmission is the source of literal pain. Stop/go traffic is very hard on the left leg and the right hand. Our FD has become pretty much a garage queen mostly because of this. Of course this comment is highly age-related (driver, not car).
11-04-21, 12:56 PM
#4585
Drive an auto fd back to back with a manual FD. You would never consider the auto again. Outside of a disability I can’t see anyone choosing the auto fd. The performance drop off down low is hard to look past. The Supra auto trans is a better experience but clearly nothing compare to all the newer twin clutch autos. There is also about a $20k difference in price from two comparable TT Supras if one is original 6 speed vs original auto.
11-04-21, 02:33 PM
#4586
I don't disagree. I just think the penalty for being auto will decrease over time on the collector status cars. The buyers will rarely drive them so being auto ends up not being an issue. Just like old muscle cars with autos.
The price gap will only be there for enthusiasts buying "drivers" cars. But eventually we will reach a point where the price point of an FD regardless of auto vs stick will be high enough that buyers seeking a driver car will buy an auto and convert it. A collector will leave whatever they get stock.
The price gap will only be there for enthusiasts buying "drivers" cars. But eventually we will reach a point where the price point of an FD regardless of auto vs stick will be high enough that buyers seeking a driver car will buy an auto and convert it. A collector will leave whatever they get stock.
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11-04-21, 09:01 PM
#4588
Originally Posted by Redbul
The FSM section on the auto transmission is 100 pages (or more).
11-04-21, 11:57 PM
#4589
Rotary Enthusiast
It's the type of people looking for an FD. We want a manual. It really is a fundamental difference in the driving experience, and everyone buying an FD is getting one for the experience.
With DCT swaps becoming more available, and needing an auto rear iron, perhaps auto cars will be the better starting point for an all-out monster. The purchase price difference pays for the DCT conversion and finding a clean auto is much easier
With DCT swaps becoming more available, and needing an auto rear iron, perhaps auto cars will be the better starting point for an all-out monster. The purchase price difference pays for the DCT conversion and finding a clean auto is much easier
11-05-21, 12:26 AM
#4590
www.AusRotary.com
With later model RX-7s, autos are also not as well equipped. They are 255ps vs 265ps for mid spec manual and 280ps for top spec manual, come with only one oil cooler. and no rear spoiler. There's no bigger brake option on the autos either like the Type RS / RZ / Spirit R. These differences alone increase the price differential. For example, Spirit R Type C is the 2nd rarest model variant (behind Australian RX-7 SP) and the last run - they only 40 of them - and yet they sell for less than Type R Bathurst and Type RS. Type A Spirit R generally costs 200% or more than a Type C whereas they were only 60,000JPY apart when brand new - yet they made 1,044 of the "rare" Type A and only 40 of the Type C.
Then if you're looking to modify, rather than keep it stock, it's a pain to do so while retaining the auto.
The penalty for auto will only INCREASE over time, not decrease. Autos will increase over time, to be sure, but if they become rare enough, manual equivalents will cost exponentially more.
Then if you're looking to modify, rather than keep it stock, it's a pain to do so while retaining the auto.
The penalty for auto will only INCREASE over time, not decrease. Autos will increase over time, to be sure, but if they become rare enough, manual equivalents will cost exponentially more.
11-05-21, 08:32 AM
#4591
RX-7 Bad Ass
iTrader: (55)
I would say the percentage of auto FD's in the US is pretty low at this point, either through attrition or conversion. It's VERY rare to see one or see people talking about them.
I drove an auto FD once and BOY was that disappointing. But there are use cases, like people that have a handicap where they can't drive a stick.
FD auto transmissions are CRAZY heavy too, had to move one once
Dale
I drove an auto FD once and BOY was that disappointing. But there are use cases, like people that have a handicap where they can't drive a stick.
FD auto transmissions are CRAZY heavy too, had to move one once
Dale
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11-05-21, 11:53 AM
#4592
It's the type of people looking for an FD. We want a manual. It really is a fundamental difference in the driving experience, and everyone buying an FD is getting one for the experience.
With DCT swaps becoming more available, and needing an auto rear iron, perhaps auto cars will be the better starting point for an all-out monster. The purchase price difference pays for the DCT conversion and finding a clean auto is much easier
With DCT swaps becoming more available, and needing an auto rear iron, perhaps auto cars will be the better starting point for an all-out monster. The purchase price difference pays for the DCT conversion and finding a clean auto is much easier
11-07-21, 02:30 AM
#4593
The Ancient
I would say the percentage of auto FD's in the US is pretty low at this point, either through attrition or conversion. It's VERY rare to see one or see people talking about them.
I drove an auto FD once and BOY was that disappointing. But there are use cases, like people that have a handicap where they can't drive a stick.
FD auto transmissions are CRAZY heavy too, had to move one once
Dale
I drove an auto FD once and BOY was that disappointing. But there are use cases, like people that have a handicap where they can't drive a stick.
FD auto transmissions are CRAZY heavy too, had to move one once
Dale
11-12-21, 02:29 AM
#4594
www.AusRotary.com
New record for an RX7 at Japanese auctions today. White Spirit R Type A with 14,000km went for 23,185,000 JPY car cost (ex local taxes and free on board costs, usually 5%, ex shipping and local taxes etc). You can plug that into your local currency converter 😳
11-12-21, 10:15 AM
#4598
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
I wonder if any of this price has something to do with hyper-inflation? Seems like hyper-inflation might make everything quickly become out of reach for certain groups of people who can't make whatever the new money costs/has lost... Which is why the USA needs to have its own Production facilities for every major industry... So outside forces cannot manipulate the function of certain parts of Governmental Operations. Simple.
11-12-21, 10:54 AM
#4599
Rotary Enthusiast
Is anyone gong to drive that $230,000 Spirit R around or just display it?
If just for display, why not get a bargain LHD?
I wonder what that LHD Replica Spirit R would sell for these days?
https://youtu.be/e0xO1_jc1Ck
If just for display, why not get a bargain LHD?
I wonder what that LHD Replica Spirit R would sell for these days?
https://youtu.be/e0xO1_jc1Ck
11-12-21, 10:58 AM
#4600
Rotary Enthusiast
I wonder if any of this price has something to do with hyper-inflation? Seems like hyper-inflation might make everything quickly become out of reach for certain groups of people who can't make whatever the new money costs/has lost... Which is why the USA needs to have its own Production facilities for every major industry... So outside forces cannot manipulate the function of certain parts of Governmental Operations. Simple.