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Old 10-06-15, 10:24 PM
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Won't Stay Running

Okay, I've got a 91N/A that won't stay running. I bought the block around this time last year. The compression on each rotor was 110+. It's sat mostly the entire time since then until tonight. I figured it was flooded from attempting to crank it this past weak. So I took out the bottom two plugs, put some atf in it, and it fired right up and ran until I took my foot off the gas. I tried cranking it again after that but it would just rumble and try to start. I did a poor man's compression test on it and I got even bursts of pressure every time it hit on both plugs. The gas that's in the cars been in it for nearly a year. I added about 5 gallons of fresh gas and some sea foam to it to help flush it out. So what could my problem be? I have no vacuum leaks that I know of. It's got new plugs and wires, New fuel pump, New fuel filter, New battery, New starter, most if not all the vacuum lines are new.
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Clogged primary injectors or a vacuum leak would cause similar problems.
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Clogged primary injectors or a vacuum leak would cause similar problems.
Injectors are clean and no vacuum leaks.
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You state you have no vacuum leaks that you know of. This does not sound too convincing. Sure it's possible that you have no vacuum leaks but you would not be the first to suggest there are no leaks when indeed there are. If you have to fight the car from conking out then you likely have a vacuum leak or a problem with fuel delivery.
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everyone sais they have no vacuum leaks. truth is, everyone has vacuum leaks.

almost every car i had in the shop had vacuum leaks! unaware to their owners.

just because everything looks fine and dandy doesn't mean it is. smoke tests don't work and people are too lazy to pressure test or simply replace the gaskets, hoses and seals preventatively on a 25 year old engine. 20% of the time when seeing someone who replaced their engine the gaskets and seals were replaced, except the laziness showed there in the form of chunks of gaskets on the mating surfaces causing uneven sealing surfaces and vacuum leaks at the joints, poorly capped ports, poorly sealed injectors, loose hoses and open hoses.

course most of those instances were teens through mid 20's owners, who i assume chose to go back inside to play X-box instead of spend the extra 10 minutes to do the job right.

the larger the vacuum leaks are the more difficult it is to keep the engine from stalling.

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Originally Posted by satch
You state you have no vacuum leaks that you know of. This does not sound too convincing. Sure it's possible that you have no vacuum leaks but you would not be the first to suggest there are no leaks when indeed there are. If you have to fight the car from conking out then you likely have a vacuum leak or a problem with fuel delivery.
Ended up testing my spark plugs based on a old shop teachers advice and one of my leading plugs(Front) after having the car warm up is only reaching 130° compared to the others hitting 220° I swapped it with the other leading plug and it is still only reaching 130° so I'm going to change out the plugs today and see if anything changes
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you also said the compression WAS 110+, you may want to retest it. if there's that much of a discrepancy in temps then it seems your front rotor is not firing. this is usually a compression issue or an injector plug that is dead.
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Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
you also said the compression WAS 110+, you may want to retest it. if there's that much of a discrepancy in temps then it seems your front rotor is not firing. this is usually a compression issue or an injector plug that is dead.
That's was when the engine was pulled nearly a year ago. I'm going to put some new injectors on and see what it gets me. After changing the spark plugs it starts up immediately with the pedal to the floor but it'll drop to 500rpm and idle for 1-3 seconds and then cut out no matter how much throttle it's given.
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again, suggest rechecking compression. it isn't a difficult test and sometimes will save you a lot of headaches.

injectors rarely fail, the electrical plug on the main harness however does quite often.
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Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
again, suggest rechecking compression. it isn't a difficult test and sometimes will save you a lot of headaches.

injectors rarely fail, the electrical plug on the main harness however does quite often.
I'm fixing to retest the compression, if that's all good what resistance should I look for on the injector harness plugs?
5-12 on primary and 2-5 on secondary?
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i don't trust a resistance check, swap injector wires at the ECU plugs and try starting the car off the secondaries.
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misread, nm
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Injector ohms or? Injectors would read 12 ohms.
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The battery was nearly dead on the first test I did, I'm going to let the battery charge then attempt it again.
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Compression ran 65 on front and 62 on rear.
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Unfortunately those are very poor numbers if accurate and suggests a rebuild is probably in the cards.

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Unfortunately those are very poor numbers if accurate and suggests a rebuild is probably in the cards.
Yeah. From what I've been told I understand anything under 90 isn't good.
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