super charger????
12-14-10, 06:48 PM
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12-14-10, 10:05 PM
#10
Wow, everyones so pessimistic.
You can make the same power with a supercharger or a turbo charger, but the reality is that you will be spending a very significant amount more to use a supercharger. You will also find much more support and shared knowledge about turbo builds. If the advantages of supercharger are worth the extra money to you then by all means go for it.
You can make the same power with a supercharger or a turbo charger, but the reality is that you will be spending a very significant amount more to use a supercharger. You will also find much more support and shared knowledge about turbo builds. If the advantages of supercharger are worth the extra money to you then by all means go for it.
12-14-10, 10:32 PM
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if you want hp and want to do it cheap, use aarons guide of how to.
aaroncake.net
search for project tina.
how to turbocharge the N/A.
this is the cheapest way to get boost without having to swap anything out.
aaroncake.net
search for project tina.
how to turbocharge the N/A.
this is the cheapest way to get boost without having to swap anything out.
12-14-10, 10:39 PM
#12
Wow, everyones so pessimistic.
You can make the same power with a supercharger or a turbo charger, but the reality is that you will be spending a very significant amount more to use a supercharger. You will also find much more support and shared knowledge about turbo builds. If the advantages of supercharger are worth the extra money to you then by all means go for it.
You can make the same power with a supercharger or a turbo charger, but the reality is that you will be spending a very significant amount more to use a supercharger. You will also find much more support and shared knowledge about turbo builds. If the advantages of supercharger are worth the extra money to you then by all means go for it.
point me to anywhere that a rotary has made over 450 to the wheels with a supercharger, now point me to the hundreds to thousands who have done it with a turbo. do you think this is simply because people don't like superchargers? no. even the muscle car guys are going turbo now, superchargers are too difficult to modify, unlike swapping out a turbo in 10 minutes time or adjusting power levels at the flick of a switch.
ask Aaron exactly how much he spent on project tina.
12-14-10, 10:58 PM
#14
oh yeah?
point me to anywhere that a rotary has made over 450 to the wheels with a supercharger, now point me to the hundreds to thousands who have done it with a turbo. do you think this is simply because people don't like superchargers? no. even the muscle car guys are going turbo now, superchargers are too difficult to modify, unlike swapping out a turbo in 10 minutes time or adjusting power levels at the flick of a switch.
point me to anywhere that a rotary has made over 450 to the wheels with a supercharger, now point me to the hundreds to thousands who have done it with a turbo. do you think this is simply because people don't like superchargers? no. even the muscle car guys are going turbo now, superchargers are too difficult to modify, unlike swapping out a turbo in 10 minutes time or adjusting power levels at the flick of a switch.
12-14-10, 11:27 PM
#16
Okay stop the flames!
They each have their place, the camden makes for a great daily driver and is especially well suited to the FB and it's existing fuel plumbing, ignition, etc etc. It's simplicity is well suited to an old dog who is not savy with standalones and using a laptop to tune their car.
I have been using the camden for years, some turbo buddies absolutely love the daily driver nature of the instant torque and how my car performs in traffic, etc etc......Combined with my 4.88 gears I can kill them and many others off the stoplight, however, when they build boost on the open road they walk away from me without a problem. I killed a 12 second Silvia in the 60 foot at the track, but after the 1/8 mile all I saw was tail lights.
That being said, they haven't switched to superchargers, because the turbo can provide so much more. My setup at 10 psi provides 227 rwhp and feels great. With a well suited T04E or T04R at the same 10 psi tuned with a standalone and effective EFI setup you would see another 100 hp for the "same boost"
Now I know a modern whipple would perform much better, but at that expense you might as well go turbo as the platform and downloadable tune is already there along with years and years of experience for support.
They each have their place, for a second gen I can only recommend going turbo. Even a stock s4 TII can see over 200 rwhp with some bolt on's (exhaust, safc, etc). I really wanted to race a fellow FB owner that has a s4 TII swap with a haltech but when the time approached his turbo started to fail. I think I would have killed him in the 1/8th and we would have finished very close.
I do enjoy my camden, I love how the sound and the scoop turns heads. The only thing holding me back from going turbo is cost, a standalone, intake, etc isn't cheap. And, it is not in my knowledge base to deal with either. I have a nice T04R and header waiting for the day though.
They each have their place, the camden makes for a great daily driver and is especially well suited to the FB and it's existing fuel plumbing, ignition, etc etc. It's simplicity is well suited to an old dog who is not savy with standalones and using a laptop to tune their car.
I have been using the camden for years, some turbo buddies absolutely love the daily driver nature of the instant torque and how my car performs in traffic, etc etc......Combined with my 4.88 gears I can kill them and many others off the stoplight, however, when they build boost on the open road they walk away from me without a problem. I killed a 12 second Silvia in the 60 foot at the track, but after the 1/8 mile all I saw was tail lights.
That being said, they haven't switched to superchargers, because the turbo can provide so much more. My setup at 10 psi provides 227 rwhp and feels great. With a well suited T04E or T04R at the same 10 psi tuned with a standalone and effective EFI setup you would see another 100 hp for the "same boost"
Now I know a modern whipple would perform much better, but at that expense you might as well go turbo as the platform and downloadable tune is already there along with years and years of experience for support.
They each have their place, for a second gen I can only recommend going turbo. Even a stock s4 TII can see over 200 rwhp with some bolt on's (exhaust, safc, etc). I really wanted to race a fellow FB owner that has a s4 TII swap with a haltech but when the time approached his turbo started to fail. I think I would have killed him in the 1/8th and we would have finished very close.
I do enjoy my camden, I love how the sound and the scoop turns heads. The only thing holding me back from going turbo is cost, a standalone, intake, etc isn't cheap. And, it is not in my knowledge base to deal with either. I have a nice T04R and header waiting for the day though.
12-15-10, 12:10 AM
#18
Good looking car 84stock; I'm sure it's a fun car on the street. As you mentioned, the biggest reason not to go supercharger on an FC is the stock turbo. With 250+ whp doable from a $100 used turbo, it's hard to argue the case for most superchargers (https://www.rx7club.com/time-slips-dyno-128/273whp-stock-turbo-814613/). The stocker comes on hard around 3-3.5k RPM, so there's plenty of streetable torque.
12-15-10, 10:41 AM
#21
The Big Ugly!
It's real simple turbo have had more R&D on the rotary then any supercharger. Can a rotary make good power with a supercharger the answer is yes, it has been done. I have seen custom one off supercharged set ups using 6-71 blowers making big numbers. BTW for the comment of muscle car guys using turbos over blowers, well you can't deny the that can be achieved in blown V8's. Not to mention Top Fuel dragsters running big 14-71 blowers. Just like turbos there are bigger blowers out there, Superchargers tend to be more expensive & since the R&D has been 100 times over like said above to make big numbers on the turbo for less money. It's just seems more logical to do a TII swap or a turbo 6 port. To the OP if you want a supercharged rotary that what you get, if you want turbo then go turbo. Be prepared to spend money in either situation & know the limits of each set up.
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