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Old Aug 17, 2014 | 05:37 PM
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SDJ Header, or the like.

I know the plans were sold to someone, then bought by another guy, then production stopped. Corksport doesnt show a header on there site that I am seeing and I havnt seen Ironeagle on here in a long time to ask about one. No mindtrain(sp?) headers are popping up either.

Is there an alternative to the RB that is available and around 400 and so dollars, or am i gonna have to build my own?
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Old Aug 17, 2014 | 09:01 PM
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Corksport discontinued there n/a header for the fc. i email them last month because i was looking for one. so i bought a used corksport header off a member here. it really sucks that companies stop production on parts for our cars.
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Old Aug 17, 2014 | 09:34 PM
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if you have the ability and tools, build your own. maybe i haven't looked hard enough (distinct possibility), but i haven't seen purpose-built/tuned headers in the price range you specified.
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Old Aug 17, 2014 | 09:47 PM
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The only header that comes to mind (excluding your price requirement) is the Defined Autoworks header. I'd love to replace my RB with one but there just isn't enough information/comparisons/people running it right now.
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 03:30 AM
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For n/a?

Your stuck with Racing beat or something used.

Stay away from pacesetter.
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 02:58 PM
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Was the Corksport one any better than Racing Beat?
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 03:08 PM
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You can get a stainless OBX new for about $225 shipped. I had one on my car for awhile. Quality was good and had a decent power pickup. I ran it with a RB catback and a resonator in place of the main cat.

The OBX header replaces the cast iron manifold, and the 2 precats.

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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rxtuner79
The only header that comes to mind (excluding your price requirement) is the Defined Autoworks header. I'd love to replace my RB with one but there just isn't enough information/comparisons/people running it right now.
Seems like all the results have be very good though.
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont
You can get a stainless OBX new for about $225 shipped. I had one on my car for awhile. Quality was good and had a decent power pickup. I ran it with a RB catback and a resonator in place of the main cat.

The OBX header replaces the cast iron manifold, and the 2 precats.

I forgot about the OBX header but personally I'd stick to the RB one before getting the OBX. The OBX's runners aren't equal length and the RB puts the O2 sensor in the collector, but it is an alternative.
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 05:04 PM
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I just pulled an SDJ header off of my car, but I gave it to my friend. Good luck finding another
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 06:03 PM
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I forgot about the OBX header but personally I'd stick to the RB one before getting the OBX. The OBX's runners aren't equal length and the RB puts the O2 sensor in the collector, but it is an alternative.
For bank for the buck I think the OBX is probably the best. I would not think twice about running one again if I had an NA rotary. It is less than half the price of a RB setup and probably 90% or more of the performance.

Yes I ran my wideband 02 in the OBX factory bung and had to use a heatsink for it. It is easy enough to add a bung to the OBX header in the collector if you wanted to though.

Also it is not some goofy length to preclude you from running a main cat if you wanted to.
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 07:43 PM
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Hmm plans have changed. After many maths i think i will build my own. I sold have never sold the SDJ i had. It was so good. But after looking at the math on everything yes I would get i bump but it will not work as well in the powerband i am wanting it to work in.
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Old Aug 18, 2014 | 08:55 PM
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Seems like all the results have be very good though.
True, but the few examples I've seen are on pretty built up engines. I'd like to see some dyno results on regular S4/S5 engines that don't have rotors or housings from other series engines, crazy port jobs or intake setups. Basically what I want to know is on my S5 engine with full RB exhaust, Pineapple inserts and S4 intake what kind of gains I would see with the Defined... So I need someone with a similar setup that has more time and money than I do haha.
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont
For bank for the buck I think the OBX is probably the best. I would not think twice about running one again if I had an NA rotary. It is less than half the price of a RB setup and probably 90% or more of the performance.

Yes I ran my wideband 02 in the OBX factory bung and had to use a heatsink for it. It is easy enough to add a bung to the OBX header in the collector if you wanted to though.

Also it is not some goofy length to preclude you from running a main cat if you wanted to.
For the original poster's application it probably isn't a good choice. He wanted a SDJ( or SDJ copy) which is know to perform better than the RB. I don't think the OBX will out perform the RB as it has the same flaw as the RB( bends too soon after the flange) plus unequal length runners. Rotary Performance sells a Bonez cat that bolts between the RB cat and catback. All that said I will agree it is better than stock and should give a performance increase.
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by rxtuner79
True, but the few examples I've seen are on pretty built up engines. I'd like to see some dyno results on regular S4/S5 engines that don't have rotors or housings from other series engines, crazy port jobs or intake setups. Basically what I want to know is on my S5 engine with full RB exhaust, Pineapple inserts and S4 intake what kind of gains I would see with the Defined... So I need someone with a similar setup that has more time and money than I do haha.
Unfortunately seems no one has put one on a near stock car. It's performance potential seems solid though. It is a work of art.
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 11:56 AM
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I have an RB street-able (collected header) with the secondary pre-silencer removed to a modified length pipe on a factory style cat, to a factory y pipe to OE style Bosal mufflers and it is a night and day difference on my S4 NA from the factory exhaust manifold/pre-silencer.

You are telling me, that if I lengthen the runners a bit on the RB I can squeeze some more from it? I have seen the Defined piece, and it is truly lovely to look at.
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 12:14 PM
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The big thing that kills the rb header for me is that it needs to go at least 3in before the first bend. This lets the wave stabalize before it turns, at least that is my understanding. Its also too long to be a short runner and too short to be a long runner. And the ports dont match a 6 port housing.
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fcdrifter13
The big thing that kills the rb header for me is that it needs to go at least 3in before the first bend. This lets the wave stabalize before it turns, at least that is my understanding. Its also too long to be a short runner and too short to be a long runner. And the ports dont match a 6 port housing.
This is my understanding as well but I think all but the port mismatch can be fixed. If I ever get a welder and learn to weld I think I am going to cut up and modify my RB header so it has 3" before the first bend. I also want to build a long primary system that collects further back. Where will depend on whether I go single or stay with duals. I have already added a cone/taper to the pipe to smooth the flow into the header. Actually it is my understanding that the header pipe size is right it is the FC exhaust ports are too big. Quoted from this thread: https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generati...st-na-1069668/

Originally Posted by j9fd3s
the RB header is made from 44mm ID tubing, and the exit of the engine is 48mm, there is enough meat to port the RB header so that there is at least a cone/taper from the engine into the header.

the RB pipe is the right size, the FC engine is too big. the racing engines have smaller outlets, so the ideal fix is a new exhaust sleeve, but that requires making one, and then rebuilding the engine so its not very practical
https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...er-porting-jpg
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by archaphil
I have an RB street-able (collected header) with the secondary pre-silencer removed to a modified length pipe on a factory style cat, to a factory y pipe to OE style Bosal mufflers and it is a night and day difference on my S4 NA from the factory exhaust manifold/pre-silencer.

You are telling me, that if I lengthen the runners a bit on the RB I can squeeze some more from it? I have seen the Defined piece, and it is truly lovely to look at.
They would have to be lengthened quiet a bit. Like as close to the rear of the car as possible. RB recommendation for a long primary is 120" to 125" for stock or street ports. The FC isn't long enough to do that by my measurements. Probably why the defined piece has all the bends it does. To add length. You could cut some out and shorten it for a short system. They recommend 22" to 25" as a starting point. These are starting points with the actual lengths determined by fine tuning on the dyno. Most don't have the access, time or money so you guesstimate I suppose by using what others have had success with and posted here.

If you meant extend the distance between the flange and first bend then yes.
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 01:18 PM
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well, I can certainly pop it off and start grinding then.

Just to clarify here, we are talking about the collected header or the true dual?
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by archaphil
well, I can certainly pop it off and start grinding then.

Just to clarify here, we are talking about the collected header or the true dual?
I think this discussion is about primarily the collected header but the true dual( uncollected) suffers from the same issues with the distance to the first bend and the port mismatch. The uncollected version would be the better one to start with for a long primary setup if one doesn't already have a header. They sell unassembled kits which may be even better if one is going to try to add the 3" to the first bend. No cutting it apart.
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 02:43 PM
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Holy **** that defined autoworks headers looks amazing...I want and may buy!
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dak
I think this discussion is about primarily the collected header but the true dual( uncollected) suffers from the same issues with the distance to the first bend and the port mismatch. The uncollected version would be the better one to start with for a long primary setup if one doesn't already have a header. They sell unassembled kits which may be even better if one is going to try to add the 3" to the first bend. No cutting it apart.
Interesting, I should get out my tape measure and see if there is even enough room with the RB before hitting the frame rail.
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Old Aug 19, 2014 | 03:19 PM
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Holy **** that defined autoworks headers looks amazing...I want and may buy!
I'm in the same boat as you but I'm being told that the gains over the RB that I already have are probably not worth the cost. Definitely post some info up if you end up buying it.
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