fcdrifter13

Went out and got a new hoist and a clutch line up tool to put my motor in.

When I try and slide back the motor on the input shaft it wont slade at all. The clutch is installed correctly and lines up, and the angle from the motor is correct. I get as far as the threads on the input shaft and turn the motor to line up and it goes maybe a 32 of an inch onto the shaft and wont go any further.

So what am I doing wrong. The car is a 88GTU if tha info is needed.

fcdrifter13

well tried some more and still nothing. There is nothing there at all for it to hit. I took the clutch back apart and sure enough it slides right up on the shaft and I know its alighned right.

herrafass

iTrader: (6)

yeah, i had a lot of trouble whith my tranny install. had to get a little rough with it, but after a while we got it on. jsut make sure you're lined up. i put a jack under the bell housing and lifted it all the way up till it touched the fire wall, then use a load leveler on the engine hoist to tilt the motor back and go for it. of course, there are a ton of folks here who have been doing this longer who may have better advice so good luck man.

fcdrifter13

Ive doing that exact same thing. The anlge is right just wont slide in.

Mombodogs

From my personal experience of doing this recently, look carefully at all the points where they bolt together, and you will see where the two are not lined up. I know you think that it is lined up correctly, but if they were, it would slide right in. Give it a close look, with a light, and you will see where you are off a bit.

PEACE THE DOG

fcdrifter13

Which points are you talking about the flywheel pressure plate and clutch, or the trans and motor themselves

Mombodogs

The transmission and the motor. I saw a perfect example of what I am talking about. Let me find the thread, and I will post it for you.

PEACE THE MUTT

crickifur

I just changed the clutch in mine... I am willing to bet its the dowel type pins at the top of the tranny. If they arent perfectly lined up (it will look like it is) the tranny wont go all the way together. It took me an hur to figure that out before i got it done right, all to find out the clutch i bought is GARBAGE! The spring is TOO weak and it feels like i have no pressure there at all.

Sideways7

iTrader: (7)

This is why I took the tranny out with the motor....

Beep777

Exactly Sideways...always pull the drivetrain as one piece. I learned the hard pay. I was trying to get a little rough once also and got the bolt started and tried tightening it to force it in...I just broke off the piece of the tranny the bolt goes through.

To help you out now, the alignment tool is not perfect. Check around the edges of the actual clutch disc to make sure it is properly aligned on the flywheel.

B

J-Rat

iTrader: (2)

LOL!

I have pulled MANY motors without yanking the tranny with, and all of them have gone back in with little or no issues. Sounds like your problem is the angle of the motor versus the tranny. If you have a tranny jack, you can raise the tranny to align to the motor before you have to seat the motor into the mount slots. If your tranny is just hanging there, then you wont have any luck.

carsaregood

Im going to agree with everyone else and say its the angle. i had a hard time reinstalling my tranny when i did my clutch the 1st time. i had a tranny jack, and was trying to do it by myself. i also had a scissor jack with a block of wood under the motor on the oil pan to try to adjust the motor's angle (since there isn't much clearance for the tranny change its angle). i tried for hours, and it never went together.

then i got a friend to help. all he did was push on the top of the motor from the front of the car, pushing the top towards the back. it slid in and went together in about 2 minutes. keep messing with the angles, and get a friend to help! good luck.

Beep777

Geez, J-Rat, you don't think it is easier to pull all and deal with the unbolting and bolting of the tranny in the open? I would never think of pulling the motor and not the tranny.

I would like to poll the gearheads out there with enough skills to do this: Do you pull motor and tranny or just tranny?

To each there own. Its gotta be done one way or the other.

Brian

gxlspeeder

Get a bigger hammer.

RotaryEvolution

iTrader: (30)

many engine builders do not pull the tranny with the engine, i can pull a full emission equipped n/a out in about 1 hour or a full emission equipped T2 in about 1.5 hours, that includes stripping down the whole top of the motor. it just wouldn't be possible to do removing the tranny as well.


the problem here sounds like either the throwout bearing is hung up on its yoke, the input bearing is damaged or you just need to get rough with it some. i make sure the alignment is perfect but sometimes you just need to give it a little nudge to show it who's boss.

J-Rat

iTrader: (2)

Nope, I get tired of emptying the tranny, unbolting it, and all that crap when just unbolting it from the motor takes me about 15 mins or less. Sorry, but after the 10th or so engine swap, I stopped taking that damn tranny out unless it had to come out, too much hassle for me.

If you guys want to take it out as one peice, tranny and motor, have fun! I aint doing it that way.

RotaryEvolution

iTrader: (30)

it's more work, i used to work on a flat rate pay scale so doing things quick and easy is what we had to do so i always look for the easiest and quickest method which to me is stripping off the UIM, rats nest and harness and just unbolting the engine from the tranny.

NeCr0mStR

iTrader: (3)

here are some pics opf what your looking at..

its your angle most likely, I just did this like 2 weeks ago... also you need to check flywheel 2, I think you can see the angle is slightly off in it.

CrackHeadMel

iTrader: (2)

just shake the ever living **** out of the engine or tranny.. works for me every time


also, installing the engine with the tranny is easier, however. pulling just the engine w/o the tranny is much easier

fcdrifter13

Damn I forgot about this thread when I finally got it in. After just stting down and thnking about it I looked up and the slave cylinder was extended. Tried to push it in and it was siezed, took it off and motor went right in.

That is what you get when you get in a hurry i guess.