I always thought you couldnt turbo an n/a due to reliability issues and such. Do your thing man and ill buy it if it really works. first i need a rebuild. so Kevin here I come.

 

I already have a turbo n/a, and have put over 20k miles on it without a hiccup. It can be done, has been done, and will be done more often!

 

Hay SonicRat when are you coming back to the cuse i could use some pointers. PM me if your ever in town. Good luck Tony

 

so sonic...what have you decided on what kits will have and prices? i want to get an idea so i can get it from you. and have you posted it on the web yet?

 

great!! have you decided what type of bov,fmic and such youre gonna use in the kit,im curious cause this sounds like youre gonna use quality parts and not cheap knock off stuff.is youre n/a at the 250 mark or closer to the 300? i was sceptical with everyone saying"dont turbo youre n/a" but with 20k on yours thats pretty convincing.

 

other than fuel and an intercooler, what would someone need beyond this kit?

http://www.rx7store.net/index.asp?Pa...ROD&ProdID=476

Is this the direction your going?

 

As I'm sure you know, I get almost hundreds of enquiries a week regarding this stuff. I would say that considerably less then 0.001% of people have any kind of follow through. So many others have made kits (or attempted to) and nothing has ever come of them. I'm glad that your trying, but in my experience, I don't think anything will come of it unless you can sell for $300 and promise an instant 100HP gain with zero tuning.

Edit...Not trying to shoot you down, but I have had a streak of realism lately.

 

Haha, relax man, it wasn't a direct stab at you. Don't take offense, I was just using this as an example of the emails and questions sonic will probably field on a daily basis if he folows through with this. It's just that, from the point of view of someone experienced with these things like sonic or myself, we get literally tens of these questions daily or weekly...we sort of get tired of seeing it. IT's like everybody is out on some lifelong quest for speed. I have people asking me how much nitrous their car can handle stock, and whether a 93 twinturbo motor fits a 79 rx-7 with a 12a, and everything in between.

These kinds of questions imply by their very nature a lack of knowledge of the subject material at hand and a general lack of mechanical experience. I know everybody learns somehow, including myself. There was a time when I didnt know all of this stuff, either. The key is not to make yourself look like too much of a newb/fool during the time you're learning. The best way to learn is to READ. I'm a very independent type with a lot of pride, and I like to serve myself whenever possible versus relying on others...this approach has worked well for me. Just keep in mind the old saying, better to remain silent and be thought a dumbass than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

From what I can tell, making fun of the idea usually doesn't hinder people's desire to build an 8 second rx-7 with $1500 in funds That's why it's so funny. And obviously you'd be doing this mod for more power. The stereotype is formed because most people with these cars are young and inexperienced, and most of these cars are less than well maintained...in fact, most are flat worn out. Most of these cars have 125-175k miles and have been beaten on, again and again, for the last 13-18 years. And then to try and extract more power from an already weak platform is just asking for trouble...yet people generally choose to do things in this order regardless, because of the allure of speed.

 

Unfortunately I know that all too well

Every time I fix one thing a new little issue arises to cause me more trouble. Not only that but from everything I've seen on my car so far during my modifying process, the past owner/s beat the **** out of this car but kept the exterior looking find. So basically everything looked fine on it, until you start opening it up, or taking things apart, or diagnosing problems. Guess I shouldn't have judged my car on its looks, but it was hard to check everything out on the spot (drove a good 2 hrs to get my car).

As far as the whole quest for power goes, there's nothing wrong with that. The problem a lot of people make, though, is they do it before their cars are healthy and in good working order. I made this mistake in the beginning, I started modifying when things weren't up to par, and well I paid for it. Lately I haven't even been modifying it except for fixing things or replacing old/worn parts.

Get the car in good order if it's not already, then go for speed

 

yeah, i know you guys are right. ive been slowly doing all the little parts that are worn out getting it back to shape, but my 7 has only 42,000 miles on it(shell and motor) and i figure from this the motor should be strong enough for this project. the car was maintained very well and was a wedding gift for the previous owner which ive known for a very long time and they knew more about these cars than i did and took great care of it. bushings and what not,fluids,shocks all need replaced but all in all its a solid 7. so thats why im very interested in this project. and when you get the experienced flaming you because they think im a 15 year old punk with a crappy almost blown up 7 trying to drag it and ruin the car like most do you should ask these things about us, i luv this forum im on it all the time at least twice a day reading and learning and i feel this is the best option givin my checkbook/location of living and all that crap,being said id like to see this project go and be one of the veterans of a 2nd gen., kickin ***.so please forgive my outburst and carry on.

 

How about a Whipple Supercharger Kit with an intercooler & low rpm bypass? Sell one of those. It would let us N/A guys be different than the Turbo guys & still have some horses. It could ignite an all new battle SC vs. Turbo.

It is just a tough pill for me to swallow realizing that my little N/A just can't compete with a Turbo because it was an inferior design in the power department, that bitter pill is offset by my N/A being very reliable & fun to drive. It would be supersweet if I could actually buy a kit to do something about it (& don't say Camden S/C either!) while maintaining some degree of streetability for a Daily Driver. Something in the 250HP+ ???

Do I have to design my own Bloody Thing?!? By God if someone doesn't do something soon I'm gonna go Nutz & start inventing new stuff for an old & inferior design!

Sorry ... just venting pent up N/A anxiety. How can I justify fixing up the old girl if she's gonna get stomped on by some Ricer Honda? I inherited my fathers Rx-7. It was his baby. It has a certain sentimental connection. I want it to be "all it could be". If a Turbo Kit was REALLY available I wouldn't mind spending several 1000 $$$$ on it. What other options are there? Nitrous might do the trick, but it would be like a Crack addiction or something. Anyway that's my $.02

Ramses666

 

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but you could sell an oil pan with an turbo oil return fitting attached.

 

I already build whipple kits, I only do them custom and install them myself however, considering the VERY high costs of the whipple, this is why I don't build kits and stock them. However, if you really 'want' one, I can custom build it and you're set. Otherwise, sorry, but that's not for me!

 

Ok, about 80% sure on the final setup!

 

You have my attention at the most opportune moment, Sonic.

As it stands now, I have already swapped a turbo drivtrain (less motor) into my vert and am already saving up to build a turbo motor. I am currently running the original (and still running well @ 150k) motor.

Now I wonder: should I rebuild the n/a and turbo it, or build my turbo motor as planned? I already plan on going standalone (microtech) and use an fmic as well as all fuel mods to support it.

I realize I would be settling for less RWHP, but at the same time I think reliability & the "unique factor" of this setup are enough to make me want to inquire further...

 

I'm curious, do you have any pictures of the manifolds that you've made?

 

i will 100% buy this when its ready, just be sure to keep us all updated!

 

so many people say turboed n/a car are unreliable, i think its more to do with poor tuning and preparation, and absence of common sense, how far along is this process anyways? still going to offer separate parts?

 

yes, updates!! im very interested also!!

 

Yes, I'm still going to offer the basic things needed where you can just supply everything else you already have.

As for reliability, yes the dangers of detonating exist, but it can be avoided by some common sense and proper tuning. Figure that 10psi on a 6port block is about 12psi on a turbo block, so you can't just automatically assume that the same PSI results in the same power/reliability. I've got well over 20k miles on my first turbo'd car, which is running a BNR stage 3 hybrid, I have continuously beat the crap out of that poor car and it's stuck with me, mostly due to proper tuning and knowing limitations.

 

yeah, what psi did you get yours worked up to? do you have any pictures of your setup you could send me, also i've never seen pics of the supercharger work you've done . . .

 

I don't have any pictures of supercharger setups, mainly because I just do them as a customer wants and then leave it behind and head for home. As for pictures of this newest setup, I'm currently stuck in Boston and my cars are in Michigan, thus at the moment, no pictures, but that's ok anyway since I'm changing this so much based upon feedback that pictures wouldn't serve much purpose at this point. Once I finalize everything people have suggested and the changes I wish to make, and produce a setup like this, then I'll provide everyone with the pictures/etc so they can judge for themselves on the 'final' product, and not a strung together beta.

 

gotcha sounds good to me

 

Coolness!!! Just what I always wanted! There is still hope!! I better start saving up some $$$$'s NE ideas about when? weeks-months-years?

Ramses666

 

I'd be interested, as it's probably less work then dropping in a t2, and I hear the 6 ports can make more power. Does the fact I live in Canada affect anything?