SonicRaT

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Alright, first a little background as to what's going on. As most of you know, I've been quite blindly beating the snot out of my '87 Sport with a stock 6port block and a bnr stage 3 strapped to the side. The results were quite impressive, but the overall hackjob style of it all really started to bother me. So, I began to make a new setup which doesn't involve hacking the hell out of tII intakes, or using a spacer, and I am quite happy with my new result. As usual, my new project sparked just as much interest as the first, but this time people were wanting to buy the kit to do so, so after much thought and negotiating and haggling with various vendors, I have decided to sell a kit which will allow us 6port guys to bolt up whatever turbo we so desire without the mess of a hackjob install.

Currently I am gauging interests in what people would consider for a price range, what parts they would like be provided, and various other concerns.

The options I have come up with are as follows:

A complete kit, including oil/coolant lines, FMIC with piping, BOV, fuel pump, injectors, FPR, 2.5" (or 3" for a little more" downpipe), all vacuum lines, couplers/etc required. The only thing required by whomever wanted this kit would be they provide their own turbo. There are a couple of reasons for this, I can't really get ahold of stock turbo's for very cheap that are in new quality, and I can't very well go testing every used turbo I buy, so I would simply leave this task up to whomever so desired. This allows people to chose a turbo based upon their goals, the stock turbo would roughly be good for about 260rwhp in this setup. Ballpark price range of $2-2.5k

A partial kit, driven by a website where a user selects which options they want, base options are all coolant/oil lines, fuel pump, FPR, vacuum lines & fittings, intake & filter, or intake that goes to the stock air-box. Options would be injector sizes, downpipe sizing, BOV's, SAFC's, and you can see where this is going. Anyway, for this, my base price range would be roughly around $1.5k

I currently am NOT selling this. I have made everything required for it, and can duplicate it at will if there is interest, but your feedback before I decide to dive off the edge and sink money into this idea is greatly needed. ANY feedback is suggested.

To solve some issues. The stock N/A ecu does NOT need to be replaced for my complete kit, it will run at a limited ammount of boost and will be fine for the levels that it will produce. For those people who wish to go beyond the aim of my 'recommended' for most people, I would highly suggest either swapping over to a TII ECU/AFM/pressure sensor (and knock box/sensor) if you're aiming for the 250 mark, although it is not required. Those of you putting on hybrids or full turbo kits, well, you obviously know what you're going to be getting into so a standalone should be already on your list.

The high compression detonation arguement. Yes, I am well aware of the risks, and once again, I can assure you that at my 'recommended' running, this will not be a significant problem.

And please, spare me the 'sell it and buy a TII arguement', this is not the place for it.

staticguitar313

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I'd be pretty interested, i was planning on doing a 6-port turbo on my block since its a reman with low miles, aq web based kit order would be awesome, i'm curious though, whats the deal with the manifolds? How do you make it all work without using the tii manifolds or n/a?

NorCal90

This seems like an awesome idea for us NA guys who want to go turbo with their 6-port blocks. I can't really afford something like this though, I'm 18 and work less than 20 hours a week but if I could, I would defently buy it. One question though, what is the partial kit lacking that the complete kit has? Also, would the web-site driven option have a choice of turbos or is that up to the buyer, like the compete kit?

SonicRaT

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I'll be using custom made manifolds (no, not hackjobs, they're going to be professionally done), which will tuck the intake in closer to the block avoiding the clearance issues posed with the stock N/A intakes.

Tessai

I'd be willing to go the partial route, with a website that would allow me to add/remove parts if I had already gotten them elsewhere.

I don't see an SAFCII or other fuel management, would this be included as well?

Edit: You say you can already get these parts at will, can I PM you a list of things I need and you can get me a price? I've got roughly half of what I need so far, but I would really like to get my hands on the stuff for the oil/coolant for the turbo.

SonicRaT

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That's fine, the more feedback the better.

The partial kit wouldn't have a FMIC, injectors, fuel pump, downpipe, or an TID, bov, etc. Basically it's just the manifolds & misc parts required to convert over to these manifolds, requiring the user to supply most everything else, (or simply select if they wish to have them in the kit using the menus) I could possibly supply various turbos, but chances are I'd just sell BNR hybrids, maybe a couple of full turbo kits, or I guess I could take the time to buy up stock turbos and rebuild them, though that's really not my area.

SonicRaT

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I could very well offer an SAFC or similar, but I don't think I can get them much cheaper than the next guy, so I don't really list it. If it's easier for people to have all in one spot, then I could do so.

ddub

Yay for James

Oh and the fuel controller thing (like SAFC), I don't really see it necessary for him to provide anything like that as lots of people already have something they use, plus some people prefer other controllers over an SAFC. So while you will have to get one and tune it somehow, it should be up to the buyer to get the one he/she wants, just my .02 on that part.

As for the rest of it, I've been talking to James (sonicrat) about this on AIM for the past couple days and you guys should not think for a second any of this is going to be a hackjob, he's got some awesome ideas and plans. It's going to be pretty damn secksi.

JRS

Im really interested in a partial kit, I would just want to source the fuel injectors and management myself. Would you just make the intake manifolds and exhaust manifold and the oil lines as a kit?

SonicRaT

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I don't have to make the exhaust manifold. You use the stock one. Yes, that's basically what the partial kit will be. Coolant lines/intake manifolds/vacuum lines/fpr/etc.

JRS

so I would just have to find the stock TII turbo manifold?

SonicRaT

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Well... what I'm saying is you'd supply whatever turbo you wanted, along with exhaust manifold. You could use the stock turbo/exhaust manifold, or an HKS log with a T04E if you wanted.

JRS

alright sounds good, how much are you wanting for that type of kit with just the intake manifolds and oil lines?

Alright I just tryed to search for the HKS manifold and its not on their site, does anyone know where I can find one?

88rxn/a

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so will the n/a drive train hold up to the 250 mark? im very intersted though money is an issue right now but if all goes well i think this would be a great investment in the near future. what about the location of oil lines? do you use the oil cooler to tap into or somethin?

SonicRaT

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I'm not sure, that's what I'm looking for feedback on. I listed a 'base' price for the partial kit, but I realize I should allow a little bit more selection. I'll drop the fuel pump, and keep the manifolds/oil/coolant/vacuum/intake/etc.

SonicRaT

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The tranny will hold up just fine at 250rwhp, but again, it depends on the tranny itself, how it's been treated in it's past, and how you treat it. If you put some full slicks on there and drop the clutch at 7k I can't promise something won't break. I've run falken azenis and a pair of nitto's out back and launched at 5k time and time again with a little over 300hp with no issues. Treat it right and it'll do the same for you. The oil lines will be ran using stainless braided lines from the oil filter area (it's easier and doesn't involve cutting/drilling/etc, also it gives users the option of installing oil gauges in the future very easily. The only drilling required will be the oil return, which can't be avoided. I'm trying to figure out a way to do this easily, again, one of my hurdles.

JRS

Oh ok I just saw were you listed the price. Let me know whenever you make a complete (partial) kit and send me pics to jrs0323@hotmail.com. Im very interested.

SonicRaT

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Ok, I'm also looking for feedback on the price. Chances are I can drop it a bit, since I estimated high for the ability to fit things in and adjust later. So, feel free to leave any sort of feedback/ideas/suggestions/thoughts.

andrew lohaus

im curious what of this kit will you be making that cant actualy be bought of the shelf somewhere?

i think its awesome that you want to step up and make a kit, but what keeps this from being a grocery cart of stuff that one couldnt just buy themself seperatly?

perhaps i should rephrase this as: why dont you just sell only the parts that CANT be bought off the shelf? seems like this approch would save you alot of trouble and capital at least.

SonicRaT

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Basically, the only parts that I'm using at the moment that aren't off the shelf are the manifolds & such, along with the oil feed lines & returns (which I guess could be fabbed up). I think the point of it was to gathet everything required (which most of it, as you said, can be found in various other locations), but have it in one spot, for a relatively low price (since I'm pretty good at getting deals on things). You are right for the most part, I guess the nice part is having it all readily available, tested to fit and work, and no fabbing required. If that makes sense?

Edit: Ok, I see what you're saying. It's possible to do that, that's kind of what my partial kit will be, but since I'm not even reusing the regular fuel rails, I've added in a RRFPR, which I've got priced very high until I can find a good source. I would also like to include all of the required lines/vacuum hoses/etc, so that'll pretty much make up my basic kit, then I guess I can just provide the 'options' for other things.

LookThatsMe

i will be relly lookin into this keep me in mind if it wall works out good let me know... i was thinking of doing a TII swap but i dont have the time for it... let just remeber keep me in mind ill be really looking into this more and more

mcnannay

regarding the return line...have you looked into the setup used on the greddy rx-8 kit? If I had good comprehension of what i read in rxtuner it said they basically put it right into the oil drain plug, then the oil drain plug just piggybacked right onto the fitting. I'm not sure if this is as feasable on the fc, but i thought it was a pretty good idea when i read about that. Although it does seem like kind of a "hackjob" way to do things, and i have no problem drilling and tapping my own holes for the return.

I would definitly be interested in the basic setup,

SonicRaT

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Well, that wouldn't be very good since the oil return is gravity fed, and you'll end up with backpressure if you stuck it on the oil pressure bolt, so I can't go that route otherwise we'd end up with a smokey turbo, but I'll double check to see. Thanks for the input.

pengarufoo

is requiring a t2 front cover a big deal? or selling modified NA covers with a core return policy so after they isntall it they send their stock one back?

SonicRaT

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Well, considering that taking the front cover off is a pretty 'involved' process (removing waterpump, omp lines, all the belts, etc) I was really looking to avoid all of that, which is why I was avoiding having to swap those. How many people would screw up their bearings in the process? That's why I didn't think that was a logical idea.