Interest in 6port N/A turbo kits
04-14-05, 01:58 PM
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The thing about the oilpan drain is that it doesnt matter if the drain comes in below the oil level or not...gravity is still pulling the oil down the tube away from the turbo, which is what counts. IF you have a hole in the front cover, the oil runs down, into the cover, then down into the rest of the pan supply, so the hose always stays clear and open. IF you put it in the oilpan, the oil may sit in the bottom of the hose, but it won't matter, because the length of hose that comes from the turbo *to where it otherwise would have entered the front cover* is still open and clear. You'd have to do a LOT of hard cornering to slosh enough oil back up i nto the tube to cause a problem...but then again, even with a front cover drain, this is the same, since oil can slosh just as easily up inside there too.
I don't see it would be a concern.
For clarification, I think it'd be best to leave the intake manifold setup, wiring, and vacuum rail/lines on the NA engine alone...because again, that can just create problems by having people take that apart and modify or remove ****. You should unbolt your NA header and bolt this turbo setup on in it's place. The piping should fit up to the stock NA throttlebody inlet.
I don't see it would be a concern.
For clarification, I think it'd be best to leave the intake manifold setup, wiring, and vacuum rail/lines on the NA engine alone...because again, that can just create problems by having people take that apart and modify or remove ****. You should unbolt your NA header and bolt this turbo setup on in it's place. The piping should fit up to the stock NA throttlebody inlet.
04-14-05, 02:40 PM
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I have to be the pessimist/realist here.
What makes this different then all the other attempted turbo-NA kits? The one from Cartech? From FC3S.ORG? From VTekEater? Hell, even I have looked into making a kit people, but then never heard from them again after I quoted the cost...
What makes this different then all the other attempted turbo-NA kits? The one from Cartech? From FC3S.ORG? From VTekEater? Hell, even I have looked into making a kit people, but then never heard from them again after I quoted the cost...
04-14-05, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
I have to be the pessimist/realist here.
What makes this different then all the other attempted turbo-NA kits? The one from Cartech? From FC3S.ORG? From VTekEater? Hell, even I have looked into making a kit people, but then never heard from them again after I quoted the cost...
What makes this different then all the other attempted turbo-NA kits? The one from Cartech? From FC3S.ORG? From VTekEater? Hell, even I have looked into making a kit people, but then never heard from them again after I quoted the cost...
Yeah thats my worry about Jame's venture here....
04-14-05, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
I have to be the pessimist/realist here.
What makes this different then all the other attempted turbo-NA kits? The one from Cartech? From FC3S.ORG? From VTekEater? Hell, even I have looked into making a kit people, but then never heard from them again after I quoted the cost...
What makes this different then all the other attempted turbo-NA kits? The one from Cartech? From FC3S.ORG? From VTekEater? Hell, even I have looked into making a kit people, but then never heard from them again after I quoted the cost...
Does that answer your question?
04-14-05, 03:13 PM
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How much was yours going to be, Aaron?
If I hadn't started already collecting parts for my own N/A Turbo, I honestly wouldn't mind paying $2-2.5k for a complete kit w/ FMIC.
Kevin, for simplicity's sake, leaving the N/A intake alone would be ideal. However, we then run into clearance issues. I'd say a custom intake would be the best choice. Just leave in the instructions that people should mark where the vac lines go when they remove thier parts. Personally, I use a bit of masking tape and a magic marker. When I take off a hose, I mark the hose "a" and the nipple it came off of "a". This way, you don't have to know the specific name/purpose of a hose, and it is much easier to tell where it goes. a->a, b->b. If you want to get fancy, the hose can be B and the nipple can be b, so that B always connects TO b. B->b, D->d (in this case, C->c is too similar when handwritten to be any use. Ditto to K,O,U,V,X,Z)
Of course, going with a new manifold/turbo, custom oil pan, and the custom intake manifolds could easily push the cost to $4k. But as Kevin said, thats the price of the S/C setup... $4k would admittedly be a bit pricy for me, but I'd still most likely go for it being a complete kit vs. buying all the parts and doing it myself.
If it comes out in the 3.5-4k range, I'd still say go for it... more than that and we're returned to "Just buy a TII" category, as 5k buys a nice TII.
Still, theres something about a Turbo 6port that appeals to me more than buying a TII.
Aaron, in your 6port Turbo writeup, you used a front-mounted stock TMIC. This is the route I planned on going, how well did it work out? This could be something else we could use in place of a large FMIC, as I can imagine mounting it to the side and going for the stealth look. "Whats that?" "Oh, its an oil cooler". :P. I'd imagine the average person wouldn't be able to tell if that was true or false, if they didn't know about FC's or 7s in general.
If I hadn't started already collecting parts for my own N/A Turbo, I honestly wouldn't mind paying $2-2.5k for a complete kit w/ FMIC.
Kevin, for simplicity's sake, leaving the N/A intake alone would be ideal. However, we then run into clearance issues. I'd say a custom intake would be the best choice. Just leave in the instructions that people should mark where the vac lines go when they remove thier parts. Personally, I use a bit of masking tape and a magic marker. When I take off a hose, I mark the hose "a" and the nipple it came off of "a". This way, you don't have to know the specific name/purpose of a hose, and it is much easier to tell where it goes. a->a, b->b. If you want to get fancy, the hose can be B and the nipple can be b, so that B always connects TO b. B->b, D->d (in this case, C->c is too similar when handwritten to be any use. Ditto to K,O,U,V,X,Z)
Of course, going with a new manifold/turbo, custom oil pan, and the custom intake manifolds could easily push the cost to $4k. But as Kevin said, thats the price of the S/C setup... $4k would admittedly be a bit pricy for me, but I'd still most likely go for it being a complete kit vs. buying all the parts and doing it myself.
If it comes out in the 3.5-4k range, I'd still say go for it... more than that and we're returned to "Just buy a TII" category, as 5k buys a nice TII.
Still, theres something about a Turbo 6port that appeals to me more than buying a TII.
Aaron, in your 6port Turbo writeup, you used a front-mounted stock TMIC. This is the route I planned on going, how well did it work out? This could be something else we could use in place of a large FMIC, as I can imagine mounting it to the side and going for the stealth look. "Whats that?" "Oh, its an oil cooler". :P. I'd imagine the average person wouldn't be able to tell if that was true or false, if they didn't know about FC's or 7s in general.
04-14-05, 03:19 PM
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How much was yours going to be, Aaron?
If I hadn't started already collecting parts for my own N/A Turbo, I honestly wouldn't mind paying $2-2.5k for a complete kit w/ FMIC.
Kevin, for simplicity's sake, leaving the N/A intake alone would be ideal. However, we then run into clearance issues. I'd say a custom intake would be the best choice. Just leave in the instructions that people should mark where the vac lines go when they remove thier parts. Personally, I use a bit of masking tape and a magic marker. When I take off a hose, I mark the hose "a" and the nipple it came off of "a". This way, you don't have to know the specific name/purpose of a hose, and it is much easier to tell where it goes. a->a, b->b. If you want to get fancy, the hose can be B and the nipple can be b, so that B always connects TO b. B->b, D->d (in this case, C->c is too similar when handwritten to be any use. Ditto to K,O,U,V,X,Z)
Of course, going with a new manifold/turbo, custom oil pan, and the custom intake manifolds could easily push the cost to $4k. But as Kevin said, thats the price of the S/C setup... $4k would admittedly be a bit pricy for me, but I'd still most likely go for it being a complete kit vs. buying all the parts and doing it myself.
If it comes out in the 3.5-4k range, I'd still say go for it... more than that and we're returned to "Just buy a TII" category, as 5k buys a nice TII.
Still, theres something about a Turbo 6port that appeals to me more than buying a TII.
Aaron, in your 6port Turbo writeup, you used a front-mounted stock TMIC. This is the route I planned on going, how well did it work out? This could be something else we could use in place of a large FMIC, as I can imagine mounting it to the side and going for the stealth look. "Whats that?" "Oh, its an oil cooler". :P. I'd imagine the average person wouldn't be able to tell if that was true or false, if they didn't know about FC's or 7s in general.
If I hadn't started already collecting parts for my own N/A Turbo, I honestly wouldn't mind paying $2-2.5k for a complete kit w/ FMIC.
Kevin, for simplicity's sake, leaving the N/A intake alone would be ideal. However, we then run into clearance issues. I'd say a custom intake would be the best choice. Just leave in the instructions that people should mark where the vac lines go when they remove thier parts. Personally, I use a bit of masking tape and a magic marker. When I take off a hose, I mark the hose "a" and the nipple it came off of "a". This way, you don't have to know the specific name/purpose of a hose, and it is much easier to tell where it goes. a->a, b->b. If you want to get fancy, the hose can be B and the nipple can be b, so that B always connects TO b. B->b, D->d (in this case, C->c is too similar when handwritten to be any use. Ditto to K,O,U,V,X,Z)
Of course, going with a new manifold/turbo, custom oil pan, and the custom intake manifolds could easily push the cost to $4k. But as Kevin said, thats the price of the S/C setup... $4k would admittedly be a bit pricy for me, but I'd still most likely go for it being a complete kit vs. buying all the parts and doing it myself.
If it comes out in the 3.5-4k range, I'd still say go for it... more than that and we're returned to "Just buy a TII" category, as 5k buys a nice TII.
Still, theres something about a Turbo 6port that appeals to me more than buying a TII.
Aaron, in your 6port Turbo writeup, you used a front-mounted stock TMIC. This is the route I planned on going, how well did it work out? This could be something else we could use in place of a large FMIC, as I can imagine mounting it to the side and going for the stealth look. "Whats that?" "Oh, its an oil cooler". :P. I'd imagine the average person wouldn't be able to tell if that was true or false, if they didn't know about FC's or 7s in general.
i was thinking just to use the stock one but with the tII hood since it would prolly cool alot better with the hook scoop than front mounted...along with cheaper...but how much would it cost to front mount it and how efficent would it work with 7-10 psi
04-14-05, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by wtfdidusay82
i was thinking just to use the stock one but with the tII hood since it would prolly cool alot better with the hook scoop than front mounted...along with cheaper...but how much would it cost to front mount it and how efficent would it work with 7-10 psi
I believe it works better as a front mount, makes sense to me. However, I haven't done this myself which is why I wanted to know from Aaron. 7-10psi is the range I was interested in as well.
Personally, I'd prefer to not need a TII hood and would rather keep away from body work. I'd prefer my car to appear to be a "Slow" N/A rather than a "fast" TII... keeping it as much of a sleeper as possible, it being an RX-7 and the image of speed most people have from that name.
04-14-05, 03:54 PM
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With my setup, you CAN use a stock TMIC if you so desire. Here's the deal with the custom intake manifolds. I don't want to keep the standard N/A intakes because of the hackjob you have to do to fit the stock turbo (spacer, banging the **** out of fenders/etc) It's just not a good idea, end of story. N/a intake is gone. I am just trying to conform this to fit peoples needs and abilities without having to make things themselves, or beat the snot out of their engine bay. Ironing out the wrinkles is all that's left, and by understanding what people 'fear', or are comfortable doing, I can design it so that it suits everybodies needs, and not just what I can do.
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I don't know anything about turbo's so this may be a dumb question: do you need to find stock used turbo's for the entry level kit or could you find ones of a similar size from an aftermarket vendor? Would doing so save money and add reliability or no?
04-14-05, 06:09 PM
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Well, at first I wanted to require the buyer to get their own turbo, this saves me some trouble on a few things.
A) I have to source used turbos (stock)
B) I have to rebuild them
C) I have to make sure there are no cracks/etc
As you can see this alone gets difficult/pricey to do. However, I will do this. There will be a few 'levels' of the kit, like Kevin suggested previously. I will supply 100% of everything required for the setup in a few levels, such as entry, mid-performance, then a 300hp or so range for those people aiming high. I'll also offer the partial kit which will come with whatever stage turbo you desire (or none at all), and then you can provide your own fuel/intercoolers/etc to build the setup how you so desire.
A) I have to source used turbos (stock)
B) I have to rebuild them
C) I have to make sure there are no cracks/etc
As you can see this alone gets difficult/pricey to do. However, I will do this. There will be a few 'levels' of the kit, like Kevin suggested previously. I will supply 100% of everything required for the setup in a few levels, such as entry, mid-performance, then a 300hp or so range for those people aiming high. I'll also offer the partial kit which will come with whatever stage turbo you desire (or none at all), and then you can provide your own fuel/intercoolers/etc to build the setup how you so desire.
04-14-05, 06:25 PM
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Well, at first I wanted to require the buyer to get their own turbo, this saves me some trouble on a few things.
A) I have to source used turbos (stock)
B) I have to rebuild them
C) I have to make sure there are no cracks/etc
As you can see this alone gets difficult/pricey to do. However, I will do this. There will be a few 'levels' of the kit, like Kevin suggested previously. I will supply 100% of everything required for the setup in a few levels, such as entry, mid-performance, then a 300hp or so range for those people aiming high. I'll also offer the partial kit which will come with whatever stage turbo you desire (or none at all), and then you can provide your own fuel/intercoolers/etc to build the setup how you so desire.
A) I have to source used turbos (stock)
B) I have to rebuild them
C) I have to make sure there are no cracks/etc
As you can see this alone gets difficult/pricey to do. However, I will do this. There will be a few 'levels' of the kit, like Kevin suggested previously. I will supply 100% of everything required for the setup in a few levels, such as entry, mid-performance, then a 300hp or so range for those people aiming high. I'll also offer the partial kit which will come with whatever stage turbo you desire (or none at all), and then you can provide your own fuel/intercoolers/etc to build the setup how you so desire.
04-14-05, 06:31 PM
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Sounds like you have it nearly planned out, do you have an ETA for getting a kit or two together, or any ballpark price ranges? I realize it'll be some time before these are ready to go, just wanted to see what your plans were.
04-14-05, 06:38 PM
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Well, I've built all of this before, it's just that I'm trying to gauge what all I need to make and what's ok to leave up to the end-user, and so forth. Price range varies by my ability to get good stock turbos that I can have rebuilt to resell, otherwise I'm almost ready to go with everything else.
04-14-05, 06:41 PM
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Would you be willing to sell the kit parts individually? I wouldn't need anything as it goes for a fuel system, but I'd be very interested in all other parts of the kit.
If you can't tell, I'm still getting my supercharged car to run perfectly, and having the Camden Supercharger has made the car really really quirky. I requested an 8lb. pulley and the pressure sensor on the Wolf is reading more like 16psi...which would explain the inability to run stock timing...
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Anyways, it's really great that you're willing to make something like this for the community and have it available at a price that makes us thrifty FC owners VERY interested. Best of luck with this, however it turns out.
If you can't tell, I'm still getting my supercharged car to run perfectly, and having the Camden Supercharger has made the car really really quirky. I requested an 8lb. pulley and the pressure sensor on the Wolf is reading more like 16psi...which would explain the inability to run stock timing...
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Anyways, it's really great that you're willing to make something like this for the community and have it available at a price that makes us thrifty FC owners VERY interested. Best of luck with this, however it turns out.
04-14-05, 06:57 PM
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Yes, will be selling the partial part for the guys who have most of the things already. You can pretty much add whatever you're missing (or whatever else you want) to the list and continue on. Thanks for the input!
04-14-05, 07:08 PM
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so im fairly ignorant to rotarys and especially turbos. eplain to me what you could offer to me in stupid easy for me terms so that me and my friends could bolt this up in a weekend. what is tid.I'd want the basic, cheapest setup with a fmic. so all the piping would be included? would youre injectors be plug-n-play to the stock hareness? youre instructions for the kit is greatly needed for people like me. and later on down the road with this setup, i can still add on to really get some decent power right? could you guess what we could run on the drags with youre "250"hp setup?
04-14-05, 07:13 PM
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I'm not positive that this is a weekend project... I know that I personally am planning on AT LEAST a week to do this.
TID is Turbo Inlet(or Intake) Duct - basically, the pipe with the filter that goes to your turbo.
TID is Turbo Inlet(or Intake) Duct - basically, the pipe with the filter that goes to your turbo.
04-14-05, 07:30 PM
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so im fairly ignorant to rotarys and especially turbos. eplain to me what you could offer to me in stupid easy for me terms so that me and my friends could bolt this up in a weekend. what is tid.I'd want the basic, cheapest setup with a fmic. so all the piping would be included? would youre injectors be plug-n-play to the stock hareness? youre instructions for the kit is greatly needed for people like me. and later on down the road with this setup, i can still add on to really get some decent power right? could you guess what we could run on the drags with youre "250"hp setup?
04-14-05, 08:14 PM
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Sonic, you sure you're ready for all this? I mean, this type of stuff?
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
Sonic, you sure you're ready for all this? I mean, this type of stuff?
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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection
Sonic, you sure you're ready for all this? I mean, this type of stuff?
Yes, this could essentially be done in a few days. 1/4 mile times are so hard to guess. 13s? Hell if I know, it depends on your weight, your ability to drive, etc.
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Originally Posted by 88rxn/a
WTF just because i dont have 9,999,999 posts means you gotta do this!! so what if i dont know everything there is to know about all of this!seriously man how am i supposed to learn if i dont ask? if i wanted to ever buy this im gonna want to know details thats all. this kinda stuff makes people go the other way, because im a so called "dragster", yeah thats funny as **** huh, why else would some people want to buy this? maybe for there grandma to drive to the grocery store.
