ok cool
so they had a lot more to make than just a CF shell

 

nice

Look - it boils down to this. Build it. You seem to have the time, the creativity and money........so whats holding you back? Build it and post the pics and prices. If you make something that looks like the drawing for $2500 in fiberglass, I'm sure someone will buy one.

But as I said, prove its lighter afterwards and I'll send you $20. I'm a man of my word but I want proof.

 

and i'm a man of mine
unfortunately... i am NOT a man of money
you guys WILL see progress when my engine thread is complete

 

after looking at your sketch of the kit, its an abortion you have completely destroyed the lines of an fc to make it look like something ridiculous and once again you just compared a mclaren f1's design to that of what you seem to think you are making, you my friend are a tool. It would have taken them hunderds of 1000's of dollars to design those parts. Sure carbon fibre can be strong but you gotta know how to lay it properly to get the right strenghts, it may seem similar to glass but it is alot harder to work with

 

i know how to work with it and i know how to make it strong/proper laying techniques

as i said

i am finishing my engine first

 

ok that didn't come across right, how do you know where the stress is gonna occur? You are talking about making doors and such, the doors are a pretty critical part of the structure and take alot of flex out of the car, by making them outta cf without knowing how to properly engineer them is just going to be unsafe

 

first i want to say to do it.
why? just to make yourself happy if nothing else.
and then is it just me or does the front of you drawing look like a supra and the back like a ferrari?

 

Actually, I kinda already did.

This pic below is a Ferrari F40 and the pic was taken last year at Mosport. The owner and I had a lenghty discussion (since he was one of the few goodly enough to take to a non-Ferrari owner) about his car and one of my quesitons was about this very topic.

In the pic you'll note the window crank on the left door. Also, the pocket in the door behind it. The "armrest" cast into the door thats above both of those items contains.......

dun-nun-nuh-NA

A TUBULAR STEEL BEAM!!!!

Now, I don't know whether its chromoly, mild steel, whatever. But it sure as **** is NOT carbon fiber. You can only see a little bit of it and you have to be under the door while its open in order to.

Now whether - as you put it - "many super cars don't have steel beams in the doors" remains to be seen. But - this one does. Its a safety thing I'm sure there might be a door in existence on some super car without it - but the fact remains that you're WRONG to say that most don't.



BTW. *If* you do get around to making this, feel free to thank me now for driving home the point of saftey in case you're ever in an accident (no one plans to be) and that beam saves your life. Unless of course, its too much weight.

 

ok
you're right
MOST dont
some of them do
i cant find proof, and your idea of proof is your word. i'll believe you
but there still are cars out there that are pure CF

 

Here this should help you start your custom widebody- this thread is getting long and useless

the cheap mans widebody how to:
get a bunch of card board ,3m masking tape , crazy glue

what you do is start from a body panel and cut the card board in designs you want a whole bucnh of strips along side of the body part

as you go atleast every 2 inches crazy glue it to the car- note only if you are going to make a mold and you dont car what happens to the donor car

next you start running strips of 3m tape across the side forming a cardboard/tape panel next do the same on the other side make sure they are the same

then spray mold release on to the panels you just made , lay 1 layer of fiberglass weave - should be hard enough to work with

after it dries carfully remove from vehicle and start reenforcing th epanels/bondo/sanding/finishing...etc must be perfect to make a mold of

its a ruff way of explaining it but heres what i am talking about

the second way is to spray foam on the car and start shaving away scotty
the third way to do it is clay and a lot of it
and the fifth way to do it the hardest way shaping METAL

 

my personal fav is to shape foam, and then use bondo to fix exact areas

 

ok so what are you waiting for get to work buddy

post tomorrow afternoon your progress start getting that dry run first

grab a set of fenders of the junk yard put them on your car and get to work

 

IN before the lock...

BTW I started a FD front conversion last year.. Had $980 invested and only had the fenders cut and tack welded together.. The cost was the body parts (2 FD fenders, 2 FC fenders one bumper and a hood.. PLus materials.. I got the OEM FC fenders cut and tack welded to the FD fender tops... I had no idea how to mount the hood... I was still going to have to shape and build the molds..

I would have had Probably $4000 invested by the time I was ready to pull the first set off the mold. NOT INCLUDING Fiber materials...

I will add $20 to the pot.. This will never get done.

 

Yea I agree, my bad. Poor is not the word. Spending more money on one single piece or pieces in this case for a car that probably did not cost that much is a little much I think.

To Chaotic fc I think your sketches look great and there is probably a lot of fc owners that wish they had a bad *** looking veilside 7. I really hope you do go threw with all the hard work and fab up a great looking kit.

 

I think that argument is weak... I know more FC owners that dump between $6,000 to $15,000 by the time they are done... Most people invest at least $3k in the motor alone...

Check the 2nd gen section (FS) and see what people invest money in)

The last thing I sell from my stuff is Body mods... you will see 100 ebay body kits before you would see 1 $6000 kit.

Most people invest in going fast, not going broke....

 

wow, come on people. why crush a guys dream?
dude, just make it, make people eat their words. i think anything cf for our cars would a step forward. only thing i hate about the fc is the total lack of parts, specially cf or original parts for that matter.
if it were to happen, i sure as hell would love something. just, retain the popups, i HATE flush head lights, looks like **** on the fc. SPECIALLY the fc200, looks like ***.
anywho, in the words of rocky "just do it"

peace

 

sorry Chaotic_FC, the idea is great and i believe that a someone should produce a very good widebody set for the FC or atleast give us FC owners a larger selection of aero. Unfortunatly your drawing gives us the impression that the body is far to busy, and clutterd.

If your indeed serious and have the resources and talent to do something of this magnitude keep working on it, make it more functional and do some measurments. Take pictures of your car to use as a refrence and use photoshop or some image tool to give you a better imaging range.

and most importantly, be creative and dont let the looks and lines of other cars limit you from producing something unique, for example your mock up which is just a bowl of veilside and Saleen put together on a mazda. While re amemiya body design creates bodys never seen on any other vehicle.

I hope you take my constructive critizism seriously

 

believe me, i do

i agree with you on this very much

its unlikely this is what my final design will look like, but i'm just putting my starting ideas out there.

 

its always good to start out with ideas, even veteran engineeres could take up to a year or even more to produce a functional and ideal body. In full honestly, i dont see you producing a real 1st mockup in your first year. But dont rush it, remember it may be a car, but its still art, and art cannot be rushed. Art can also be time consuming, dont let a project like this be a waste of time. If your gona do it, you better follow through. Id hate to see you quit half way only to lose valuable time.

** on a side note ** Learn some CAD if you have not done so, it may be a increadibly valuable tool and skill to have

 

Not crushing his dreams. If he's smart he'll figure out how to take the negative feedback and overcome it. If he's serious and determined, as he says he is, he'll succeed but he needs to take care of the issues CLASSIC and others brought up.

 

i've actually already mastered Autodesk inventor 11, and 3ds max, so i guess that will help me.

 

"In full honestly, i dont see you producing a real 1st mockup in your first year. But dont rush it, remember it may be a car, but its still art, and art cannot be rushed. Art can also be time consuming, dont let a project like this be a waste of time. If your gona do it, you better follow through. Id hate to see you quit half way only to lose valuable time."

a car is art and it cannot be rushed....hrm. . so many holes and that statement i dont even know where to start...i do know what your talking about though.

 

sorry if i dont know how to explain myself that well, i was refering to the industrial art that our vehicles are born from. Good art cant be rushed, like a painting or even a sculpture. It takes time, thought and emotion. The same thing can be said in this situation where he is thinking of MOLDING a new idea through art into a car, much like what industrial artists do.

 

do your thang man...when the time is right...and you do have the funds to make the project get rolling im pretty sure what ever it is you come up with or design will be pretty nice...

El Nene you have to crawl before you walk...walk before you run...is your car running?

 

well . i think it speaks for it self. i think the rear is going to be a REAL problem area. another problem that i see is the lines on the fd are much different. i would like to see a straight line design rather then having the "side skirts" swoop down. not to sure about the back however. the front end for this kit has alot of potential for this application.

Ill do a real concept drawing tommorow maybe. it may take me a while tho.