Chaotic_FC

if i was to make a kit, that was very similar to the Vielside kit for FDs, would anybody buy it? that is assuming very similar sexiness to the vielside kit, but not with just "blingbling" in mind. Every panel would be constructed out of Carbon Fiber, and it would be lighter/more aerodynamic than stock.

why do i ask? because i am contemplating making one for my car and then replicating the kit for others.

How much would you pay to have that????

how about in duraflex material instead, as an alternative???



all criticism and critique welcome

Edit: btw, yes most FC owners are "poor", but i still see FCs that have lots of money put into them.

walken

iTrader: (6)

you don't have any pictures or concepts so your not going to get much interest.

on a side note: most of us own FCs, because we are broke.

FelixIsGod29X

iTrader: (50)

I don't want this to sound bad in anyway but go for it and come back when you have some progress. Hell if it doesn't sell at least you will have a unique kit.

Chaotic_FC

i dont have any concept now, but i'm not just talking either

i'm just putting my ideas out there before they're done

Black91n/a

Up untill that point you hadn't asked anything, you just made a gramatically poor ramble. If you want to be taken seriously, at very least write properly.

No one will buy it, FC owners are generally poor, and even among the generally better off FD owners, there are very, very few people who will buy then pay to have such an elaborate kit installed, especially since most of the time such kits are often regarded by most as ugly.

'87 turbo II

iTrader: (1)

at least give us a drawing, or snippets from existing cars you would incorperate. Like....... umm....... "I'd use fixed round lights such as the 02 NSXs, and the rear fenders would look kind of like the RE-kit. etc. etc." inserting pics as you go. I liek the idea but there is no way I could EVER afford it.

t24todd

iTrader: (7)

as you can tell there is little patience on here... i think because you have a low post count and are somewhat new(so am i) that it would be hard for anyone on here to take you seriously..like everyone says us fc guys are poor and a kit furbished and put on would cost more than the car..uniqueness is great on here but for a full carbon fiber fc is a little far fetched..you should make the kit though and then come back on here and post pics and then people wouldnt be so critical....alot of people talk alot about making parts and never actually make them..

Chaotic_FC

alright, we can do that

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there are 8 major parts i see here

the front bumper, the hood, the front fenders, the sideskirts, the door panel, the rear fenders, the rear bumper, and the rear hatch.

it seems that with this kit, the hoods lines have actually been altered in order to fit these lights

i plan the same kind of orientation

the front lights would be similar to that of the veilside kit



the side would be modeled a little bit after the saleen S7, with the vents and all



everything below the lights would have a similar look to the enzo

alexdimen

iTrader: (13)

right... let me know when you've got it done in CF...

magus2222

iTrader: (22)

good luck on that. it will be cool to look at, but as a daily? idk about that.
wait, im one of the dumbfucks on this forum that uses his 7 as a daily. maybe thats my problem?

peace

Chaotic_FC

dude, my rx7 is my daily and ONLY car.. lol
heres my engine buildup, i'm almost done
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-non-technical-pictures-198/my-6-port-turbo-rebuild-715602/#post7661183

Black91n/a

The thing is it seems like every week some noob comes along and tells everyone about their grand plans, then low and behold, nothing happens. I see no reason to think this will turn out any different.

Also, do you have any experience with body work, working with composites, any business experience?

Chaotic_FC

i can see how it seems like that
I'm no noob, just new to this particular forum, because i got a 7

i have a plan, i have kept up with it so far
first step is to rebuild the whole engine (almost done)
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?p=7661183
then the custom body
then interior
if i was full of ****, i wouldn't have made it this far

i have plenty of experience with fiberglass, and some with carbon fiber

business experience is something i'd like to gain.. you've got me there

classicauto

iTrader: (3)

Do you know what the Veilside kit for the FD costs?

Dave has the tri-point replica/modified widebody out. Go look at the list of people who are buying and look at the price. That thing is dirt cheap, he's really doing a service there.

I highly doubt you'll be able to make a decent, workable, attractive adaptation of the Veilside Fortune kit for anything less then 6-7K a piece.

You'll be positvely flooded with requests.

EDIT: But you can do whatever you like. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

VeilSideBrian

Ooooo that is going to be expensive!

V8slayer

this is not going to hapen in CF

WadeMCarter

Or if you are set on making something for the fc, make a good flush headlight kit.

red_s5_fc3s

I hope you make it, even if you only make one.

WingsofWar

i say do some drawings first of doing exactly what you want it to look like...doing a simple mold could work also. I dont know if making it full in CF is realistic considering the cost of materials and availibility.

Chaotic_FC

of course

but the FC has potential

phoenix7

What would be the point for it?

Estimated weight savings?

will it be expensive CF or the cheap CF layer on FG?
If it's the former then it won't get attention in this part of the forum (try the race car sections where they NEED to drop as much weight as possible in their race cars). IF it's the latter then you're just adding weight and it isn't worth buying unless you're one of those unpainted CF fanbois.

Custom FG WIDEBODY kits are selling for 2500 bux on here and I doubt you'll be able to make a GOOD CF KIT for less than that.


Again, what's the point?

Chaotic_FC

this is the kind of CF i had in mind



2 over 2 twin weave. this is the most durable kind when made into curves, and is most suited for cars.

I dont actually have a number for wieght savings, but i can assure that it would be substantial, and for that matter much more aerodynamic.

i plan on selling the duraplex or FG version for 2500, and the carbon fiber version for about 4000.

i dont actually have real numbers here, because i haven't done it yet. but it will not be marked up very much at all from the actual cost of materials.

whats the point you ask??
because it gives FC owners a chance to go out and buy a body kit that doesn't only look good, but ACTUALLY makes the car lighter and more aerodynamic by a decent amount.
thats the point.



well

phoenix7

the NA is worth 4K (5K TOPS in almost new condition) the TII can sell for up to 6K (7K TOPS). DO you think it's reasonable for people (the majority that have paid less than 3K for their cars) to spend the value of the car in BODY KIT PIECES?

Go into the race car section and see if they're interested. You're more likely to get a response there. They've spent thousands trying to make their cars competitive withing the rules and parts like this might benefit them more than the STREET DRIVING SHMUCKS.


I know for a fact that nobody will pay for it. Someone was going to make real CF headlight covers but people wanted TOP NOTCH quality work at Hong Kong Prices. It never happened.

I will continue to give you any and all negative feedback I have so you can at least have them in your head to help you make decisions so don't get all pissy.


REAR FENDERS: not replaceable, so you would HAVE to ADD weight if you're gonna make it CF. same applies to the roof.

HATCH: CUSTOM MADE for MAZDA. It is one of the main reasons the car is as strong and rigid. It actually adds structural reinforcement to the chassis. Replacing it would mean having to RESEARCH INTO MATERIALS THAT ARE LIGHT ENOUGH TO Justify taking the stock glass out, while maintaing the structural integrity.

SIDESKIRTS: I don't understand the sides. Better rear brake ducting?

REAR: Looks fine. Don't really have anything against it other than it's a completely different rear end design so it's gonna take plenty of work to make the small removable bumper into something like that.

BurlesonRX7

Why not just get the wide body kit RX-Heaven is using or is he making it... i forget which it is.

classicauto

iTrader: (3)

Let me preface this response with:

I do in reality hope you go out and learn something and build something. I'm all for custom projects, but my criticsm is well founded in this case.

Actually it can't. Its nearly a physical impossibilty with all of the extras you're talking about unless you're going to make something that requires building a tube chassis and gutting any exterior sheet metal. You can only add to the quarters, add to the doors (unless the are full, two piece, bolt on doors which you'd best make in an autoclave since they're replacing strucual members), add to the rear end. So unless you're hood and fenders take more weight off the car then the entire rest of the body kit, the car WILL be heavier afterwards.

Anything is possible. But before making such a bold claim, you best windtunnel test both a stock bodied and "your" bodied FC. Thats money.

Whoa whoa whoa. You don't even have a design and you are tossing out prices??? Do you even have a REMOTE idea how much labour would be involved in creating something like what you've proposed and have it be even close to decent quality? We're talking hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars in material making moulds.

Respectible act of charity, but there's no way (in reality) you'd give away your designs for penny's on the dollar (which you'd have spent thousands of) after months (realistically year{s}) of hard labour.

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Well? lol