County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
06-21-14, 08:09 AM
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County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
Quick run down, most of the regulars already know this.. My wife & I have a collecting/hoarding problem/gift with these cars, and over 4-5 years have collected 28 cars. 6 first gens, 21 second, 1 Saturn SL2. We're in Pasco county, Florida, on 2.5 acres of land zoned "Estate Residential". This basically means we have property, but it's not far enough away from civilation/other home owners to be considered agricultural. Even then I think we'd be fucked anyway.
I was UNAWARE this could happen to us. Was told by numerous people we were fine, since we were out of the way of most people. These are people who I thought were knowledgeable, including even our realtor. That was our first requirement when purchasing a house, was the intent to store "a lot" of RX7s there, and that we not have any problems come about. Even our next door neighbor who's lived here 10 years said it wasn't a legal problem. And for that matter, we only have a neighbor on one side of us. The other 2 sides are forest, & behind us is a big block wall. I'm not blaming anybody but my self for not looking into it more/buying & being attached to all this bullshit, and the world for creating rules such as this. So I'd like to keep this thread free of any "oh you should retaliate by doing...." or "I be it was ... etc". I'm really just looking for solutions as I have ONLY 30 DAYS TO FIX THIS
Per our warning notice, and I can post any/all info that may help too, here's what it says:
Inoperative/Unlicensed Vehicles 106-54
Facts constituting the probable cause: multiple unlicensed & inoperative vehicles on property
Necessary Correction action to comply: License repair & make road worthy all inoperative & unlicensed vehicles
or store in an enclosed structure
or remove from property & dispose of properly.
If not corrected, there will be a $130 fine PER car, PLUS failure to comply within 30 days will result in the issuance of a citation to appear in court & may include fines up to $500 PER offense PLUS court costs. There will be a re-inspection at the 30 day mark.
I mean, this is as fucked up as it gets!!! But again just keep this thread to ADVICE ONLY. I don't need a bunch of people telling me how much it sucks, or how unfair etc.. I already know that.
Now for some facts. Of the 28 cars, 5 are registered. This is the Saturn, an 87 sport, 87 racecar, 88 T2 vert, & an 89 vert. So that already brings the removal needed count down to 22. Now, we have a steel garage that will enclose 3. So that's 19 cars that need to have action taken against them. The rest is where I'm unsure.
We have an enclosed porch that we could quickly mod to fit 3 cars on. I don't know if this will "count" as an enclosed structure. I also don't know if it will cause further problems such as being dropped from house insurance due to potential hazards. There's also a pole barn that's OPEN, but could be quickly enclosed to seal up another 6, or 12 if we built lifts/support structure to stack the cars. The barn came with the property, and was built WITHOUT permit. We're OK to have it there, since it was already there. But since it isn't actually up to code or anything like that, I don't know if they would grant us the permit to do the work to allow that to enclose the cars. We had also thought of doing it as cheaply as possible by just using great big tarps on it. A friend a county over got the same citing as me, and put up a temporary building of tarp/conduit framing which got him thru inspection. I called the code section of the GVT office, AT LEAST SIX times yesterday, and NO ONE could tell me ****!!! Was even put through to the guy that wrote the violation FOUR TIMES and he never once returned my call, which all went to voice mail & all had messages left. I mean this is seriously fucked. They want me to fix this, yet, I can't even get a hold of anyone to spec out my best option OF FIXING IT???
Lastly, there's a 2 car car port capable of housing 2 more cars, but, it's open as well so we're back to the same "is tarp OK" dilemma that exists for the pole barn.
So, worst case, I have 19 cars that need to GO in 30 days. They're not all **** kick cars either. There's an 84k mile 10th AE. A 1 owner ALL ORIGINAL down to the batt box lid 101K GTUs. 2 sports. 2 T2s. Other various not-so-desirable but not seen any longer cars that would break my heart to get rid of. FFS, my goal for the past 10 years (I'm only 26) was to get a good paying job so I could own a bunch of RX7s. This didn't just happen, these cars really do mean a LOT to me, much more so than most, hell even more so than a lot of people on this forum I'm sure.
ALSO! A good 5 or so vehicles are stored here for friends, so those will all quickly vanish making the lot size look shrunken a tiny bit, atleast. From some advice, we're HOPING & CROSSING FINGERS that by making "progress" by clearing those ones out right away, & making an actual effort, they'll grant us an extension longer than 30 god damn days.
Back to the 19 cars, a friend has offered to tow em up to his house for me w/ his truck & trailer, for the cost of fuel ($40 each car, he's a good ways away. Also a mazda guy). Obviously we're not gonna unload him 19 cars, we'd have to sell off what's not as valuable/loved to me, and have him take up the rest. In the mean time, our plan was to pull permits to build the biggest, yet cheapest & hurricane-proof garage, until we can get everything back home & into the garage. But this is where I can't decide.. This is asinine, taking cars OFF MY PROPERTY to build a building only to bring them back?? At what point is the financial burden & stress NOT worth it? I would like to eventually become self employed, and having to "raise" 27 kids (we do not have any human kids, and do not want/will not have any) along the way sure as **** isn't helping that.
At the same time, look how scarce these cars have become. You hardly ever see them in salvage yards any longer. Here's a stash big enough plus spare parts, for her & I to drive RX7s for atleast our whole lifetime. And it's VANISHING. So for that point, and yes we worked hard as hell to amass this, I kinda want to keep them. I'm literally stuck between 2 decisions that are time sensitve and I can't choose which.
That all said, if anyone can help & I know it's a long read I would totally appreciate it. More than you think.
Here's some pictures of the heard for ref.
the 2 car carport as mentioned above. saturn, 79, rebecca's beloved sapphire blue 88 vert (repainted, plans to fix etc etc etc, that may now never even ******* happen), rebeccas DD 87 sport
Shot looking toward garage. 83 & 89 in garage. Black vert reg'd. red T2 shell, hard top man rack base shell, race car w/ coils cage etc 85 S w/ GSLSE suspension, more bases, sports undercover etc
2 GSLs an 83 & 84, both in those HOT 80s color combos: gold w/ tan(mustard) leather, beige w/ brown. Both all original down to stock radios. Gold only a 76k 2 owner car. 84K 10AE, T2 megasquirted vert, 88 SE w/ T2 swap, 5 lug, aero, louvs. GTUs.
Another shot of barn. Pardon the finger I was blocking a mondo glare from the sun
More junk. Some friends cars (FD, bmw, truck. 2 FCs)
Again thank you to anyone who can offer any advice, & more so, advice that saves our asses.
Landon & Rebecca
TL;DR: young crazy married couple find a passion together of mazda rx7s. Collect 27 rotary cars, about 75% bought to keep out of the junkyard/saved, only to have the god damn county order them all removed. Only have 30 days to work with it, Currently unable to obtain ANY additional info from county. Seeking advice what to do, do NOT want stray comments/advice (kill em all, sign up neighbors for gay porno mags, **** the GVT & don't do anything, etc). Only looking for ADVICE.
Thanks
I was UNAWARE this could happen to us. Was told by numerous people we were fine, since we were out of the way of most people. These are people who I thought were knowledgeable, including even our realtor. That was our first requirement when purchasing a house, was the intent to store "a lot" of RX7s there, and that we not have any problems come about. Even our next door neighbor who's lived here 10 years said it wasn't a legal problem. And for that matter, we only have a neighbor on one side of us. The other 2 sides are forest, & behind us is a big block wall. I'm not blaming anybody but my self for not looking into it more/buying & being attached to all this bullshit, and the world for creating rules such as this. So I'd like to keep this thread free of any "oh you should retaliate by doing...." or "I be it was ... etc". I'm really just looking for solutions as I have ONLY 30 DAYS TO FIX THIS
Per our warning notice, and I can post any/all info that may help too, here's what it says:
Inoperative/Unlicensed Vehicles 106-54
Facts constituting the probable cause: multiple unlicensed & inoperative vehicles on property
Necessary Correction action to comply: License repair & make road worthy all inoperative & unlicensed vehicles
or store in an enclosed structure
or remove from property & dispose of properly.
If not corrected, there will be a $130 fine PER car, PLUS failure to comply within 30 days will result in the issuance of a citation to appear in court & may include fines up to $500 PER offense PLUS court costs. There will be a re-inspection at the 30 day mark.
I mean, this is as fucked up as it gets!!! But again just keep this thread to ADVICE ONLY. I don't need a bunch of people telling me how much it sucks, or how unfair etc.. I already know that.
Now for some facts. Of the 28 cars, 5 are registered. This is the Saturn, an 87 sport, 87 racecar, 88 T2 vert, & an 89 vert. So that already brings the removal needed count down to 22. Now, we have a steel garage that will enclose 3. So that's 19 cars that need to have action taken against them. The rest is where I'm unsure.
We have an enclosed porch that we could quickly mod to fit 3 cars on. I don't know if this will "count" as an enclosed structure. I also don't know if it will cause further problems such as being dropped from house insurance due to potential hazards. There's also a pole barn that's OPEN, but could be quickly enclosed to seal up another 6, or 12 if we built lifts/support structure to stack the cars. The barn came with the property, and was built WITHOUT permit. We're OK to have it there, since it was already there. But since it isn't actually up to code or anything like that, I don't know if they would grant us the permit to do the work to allow that to enclose the cars. We had also thought of doing it as cheaply as possible by just using great big tarps on it. A friend a county over got the same citing as me, and put up a temporary building of tarp/conduit framing which got him thru inspection. I called the code section of the GVT office, AT LEAST SIX times yesterday, and NO ONE could tell me ****!!! Was even put through to the guy that wrote the violation FOUR TIMES and he never once returned my call, which all went to voice mail & all had messages left. I mean this is seriously fucked. They want me to fix this, yet, I can't even get a hold of anyone to spec out my best option OF FIXING IT???
Lastly, there's a 2 car car port capable of housing 2 more cars, but, it's open as well so we're back to the same "is tarp OK" dilemma that exists for the pole barn.
So, worst case, I have 19 cars that need to GO in 30 days. They're not all **** kick cars either. There's an 84k mile 10th AE. A 1 owner ALL ORIGINAL down to the batt box lid 101K GTUs. 2 sports. 2 T2s. Other various not-so-desirable but not seen any longer cars that would break my heart to get rid of. FFS, my goal for the past 10 years (I'm only 26) was to get a good paying job so I could own a bunch of RX7s. This didn't just happen, these cars really do mean a LOT to me, much more so than most, hell even more so than a lot of people on this forum I'm sure.
ALSO! A good 5 or so vehicles are stored here for friends, so those will all quickly vanish making the lot size look shrunken a tiny bit, atleast. From some advice, we're HOPING & CROSSING FINGERS that by making "progress" by clearing those ones out right away, & making an actual effort, they'll grant us an extension longer than 30 god damn days.
Back to the 19 cars, a friend has offered to tow em up to his house for me w/ his truck & trailer, for the cost of fuel ($40 each car, he's a good ways away. Also a mazda guy). Obviously we're not gonna unload him 19 cars, we'd have to sell off what's not as valuable/loved to me, and have him take up the rest. In the mean time, our plan was to pull permits to build the biggest, yet cheapest & hurricane-proof garage, until we can get everything back home & into the garage. But this is where I can't decide.. This is asinine, taking cars OFF MY PROPERTY to build a building only to bring them back?? At what point is the financial burden & stress NOT worth it? I would like to eventually become self employed, and having to "raise" 27 kids (we do not have any human kids, and do not want/will not have any) along the way sure as **** isn't helping that.
At the same time, look how scarce these cars have become. You hardly ever see them in salvage yards any longer. Here's a stash big enough plus spare parts, for her & I to drive RX7s for atleast our whole lifetime. And it's VANISHING. So for that point, and yes we worked hard as hell to amass this, I kinda want to keep them. I'm literally stuck between 2 decisions that are time sensitve and I can't choose which.
That all said, if anyone can help & I know it's a long read I would totally appreciate it. More than you think.
Here's some pictures of the heard for ref.
the 2 car carport as mentioned above. saturn, 79, rebecca's beloved sapphire blue 88 vert (repainted, plans to fix etc etc etc, that may now never even ******* happen), rebeccas DD 87 sport
Shot looking toward garage. 83 & 89 in garage. Black vert reg'd. red T2 shell, hard top man rack base shell, race car w/ coils cage etc 85 S w/ GSLSE suspension, more bases, sports undercover etc
2 GSLs an 83 & 84, both in those HOT 80s color combos: gold w/ tan(mustard) leather, beige w/ brown. Both all original down to stock radios. Gold only a 76k 2 owner car. 84K 10AE, T2 megasquirted vert, 88 SE w/ T2 swap, 5 lug, aero, louvs. GTUs.
Another shot of barn. Pardon the finger I was blocking a mondo glare from the sun
More junk. Some friends cars (FD, bmw, truck. 2 FCs)
Again thank you to anyone who can offer any advice, & more so, advice that saves our asses.
Landon & Rebecca
TL;DR: young crazy married couple find a passion together of mazda rx7s. Collect 27 rotary cars, about 75% bought to keep out of the junkyard/saved, only to have the god damn county order them all removed. Only have 30 days to work with it, Currently unable to obtain ANY additional info from county. Seeking advice what to do, do NOT want stray comments/advice (kill em all, sign up neighbors for gay porno mags, **** the GVT & don't do anything, etc). Only looking for ADVICE.
Thanks
06-21-14, 08:29 AM
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Hey buddy. I have been through this as well. There is a loophole (at least in marion county). Car covers. As long as there are car covers, the county cannot refer to themas an eyesore and cannot see that there are no tags. Over the past decade my car has been off the road and it was actually a county worker that told me to put a car cover over it. They saod as long as its covered, they cannot prove that its unregistered or non driveable. I have used this method lots of times. Also, tryhe second loophole is a privacy fense blocking them from being able to see. County is not allowed to climb and look over your privacy fense. If they do and take pictures, you can sue them and you will win. This happened to a friend of mine.
06-21-14, 08:34 AM
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Hey buddy. I have been through this as well. There is a loophole (at least in marion county). Car covers. As long as there are car covers, the county cannot refer to themas an eyesore and cannot see that there are no tags. Over the past decade my car has been off the road and it was actually a county worker that told me to put a car cover over it. They saod as long as its covered, they cannot prove that its unregistered or non driveable. I have used this method lots of times. Also, tryhe second loophole is a privacy fense blocking them from being able to see. County is not allowed to climb and look over your privacy fense. If they do and take pictures, you can sue them and you will win. This happened to a friend of mine.
That all said these are viable options. I need to find/make friends w/ someone in the pasco legal system & make sure it's applicable for me.
Thank yoU!!!!!
06-21-14, 08:40 AM
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I would say build the garage.. like you said though at what point does it become not worth it that's for you and your wife to decide I guess. Maybe you can work somthing out with the county to build the Garage for them and keep most of them there while you build it so you don't have to move them back and fourth.
I'm sorry this happened man I know you said you don't want pity but I can't help it.
What if you got some kind of permit to make a actual shop/garage in your backyard then they can't say you can't have cars cus its a business or whatever maybe that's rather ignorant to the way things work but an idea.
I'm sorry this happened man I know you said you don't want pity but I can't help it.
What if you got some kind of permit to make a actual shop/garage in your backyard then they can't say you can't have cars cus its a business or whatever maybe that's rather ignorant to the way things work but an idea.
06-21-14, 09:15 AM
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Most cities/counties after you have so many unregistered vehicls will consider it an eye sore because it looks like a junkyard.
Maybe see what it would take to get a business liscence than say your running a junkyard, thats if the county allows it.
Buddy of mine had the same problem, but years ago they DID have a junkyard, county agreed that if they built a fence they would get off their backs. So they built a fence, not a problem since.
I would goto the cou ty office, explain why you have them, and ask what other options you have to make them happy, i don't see why a fence wouldn't count since you can't see the cars unless your climbing
Good luck! Hope it works out for you
Maybe see what it would take to get a business liscence than say your running a junkyard, thats if the county allows it.
Buddy of mine had the same problem, but years ago they DID have a junkyard, county agreed that if they built a fence they would get off their backs. So they built a fence, not a problem since.
I would goto the cou ty office, explain why you have them, and ask what other options you have to make them happy, i don't see why a fence wouldn't count since you can't see the cars unless your climbing
Good luck! Hope it works out for you
06-21-14, 09:28 AM
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I totally understand your sentiment to these cars. While I only have 1 rx, I also have 14 others cars + parts cars. Fortunate enough to store some at my shop and have nice neighbors here where I live, it hasn't been a problem.
However, If you've ever got the slightest dreams of having a big pole barn or workshop, DO IT. I built a relatively small (40x27 with tall ceilings for lifts and loft for parts) a couple of years ago. It's my personal car building arena. My particular city wouldn't let me put up a pole barn, they mandated it would be standard construction AND match the house. Then, they threw a fit when the plans showed the garage taller than the house. After a threat of making my house taller they gave up and let me build it. It cost me a fortune. I had to sell a few cars I didn't want to. I pinched penny's so hard abe's corpse recoiled. The sacrifice was well worth it.
If you come to your county with plans and a way to solve this "problem", show some effort in getting other cars out of there, I'd think you'd at least get an extension. The other idea that i've seen people do, buy shipping containers. Arranged the right way they can fit 2 cars. Relatively inexpensive and they seal up very well. Friend of mine in new zealand stored his mazda ute in there for several years while he toured the rest of the world, welded the doors shut.
Good luck!
-Eric
However, If you've ever got the slightest dreams of having a big pole barn or workshop, DO IT. I built a relatively small (40x27 with tall ceilings for lifts and loft for parts) a couple of years ago. It's my personal car building arena. My particular city wouldn't let me put up a pole barn, they mandated it would be standard construction AND match the house. Then, they threw a fit when the plans showed the garage taller than the house. After a threat of making my house taller they gave up and let me build it. It cost me a fortune. I had to sell a few cars I didn't want to. I pinched penny's so hard abe's corpse recoiled. The sacrifice was well worth it.
If you come to your county with plans and a way to solve this "problem", show some effort in getting other cars out of there, I'd think you'd at least get an extension. The other idea that i've seen people do, buy shipping containers. Arranged the right way they can fit 2 cars. Relatively inexpensive and they seal up very well. Friend of mine in new zealand stored his mazda ute in there for several years while he toured the rest of the world, welded the doors shut.
Good luck!
-Eric
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06-21-14, 09:39 AM
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Enclose both the pole barn and car port With some OSB and paint it.
06-21-14, 10:05 AM
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Most cities/counties after you have so many unregistered vehicls will consider it an eye sore because it looks like a junkyard.
Maybe see what it would take to get a business liscence than say your running a junkyard, thats if the county allows it.
Buddy of mine had the same problem, but years ago they DID have a junkyard, county agreed that if they built a fence they would get off their backs. So they built a fence, not a problem since.
I would goto the county office, explain why you have them, and ask what other options you have to make them happy, i don't see why a fence wouldn't count since you can't see the cars unless your climbing
Good luck! Hope it works out for you
Maybe see what it would take to get a business liscence than say your running a junkyard, thats if the county allows it.
Buddy of mine had the same problem, but years ago they DID have a junkyard, county agreed that if they built a fence they would get off their backs. So they built a fence, not a problem since.
I would goto the county office, explain why you have them, and ask what other options you have to make them happy, i don't see why a fence wouldn't count since you can't see the cars unless your climbing
Good luck! Hope it works out for you
Another idea you might consider is hitting up Harbor Freight for a few of these to conceal the remaining cars from prying eyes: 10 ft. x 17 ft. Portable Garage
I'm pretty sure some of the Florida guys would be up for a build party/meet to get everything assembled. If I had the money and my car was roadworthy, I'd consider a roadtrip to give you a hand too.
06-21-14, 10:33 AM
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i've had to deal with this too, in the city where i used to live they would tag cars in the driveway if they sat for more than 48 hours, which is retarded, what if i went on vacation?
it turned out that one of the neighbors would get yelled at by his wife, and then call the city on me.
anyways, (numbers are approximate), 5/28 cars are registered, so these are not a problem. there seem to be about 5-6 more that ARE registerable, which might be a good idea. on D-day, these should just go on the street.
the cities complaint is that you have too many cars on the property, not on the street.
this leaves the pole barn, and car port. you should enclose these to the letter of the law, and park what you can in them.
then you move the rest, which hopefully is only 4-5 cars.
step 2, is making sure you don't get stuck in this endless loop of city people traipsing through your yard and citing you for arcane stuff. i don't know about florida (can't you shoot trespassers?), but in sunnyvale, everything was illegal, except parking a car in the living room, oddly, they just didn't enforce anything unless they felt like it, or got a complaint.
and actually what is the penalty if you don't move your stuff? are they going to fine you? or just make you fill out forms? or what?
it turned out that one of the neighbors would get yelled at by his wife, and then call the city on me.
anyways, (numbers are approximate), 5/28 cars are registered, so these are not a problem. there seem to be about 5-6 more that ARE registerable, which might be a good idea. on D-day, these should just go on the street.
the cities complaint is that you have too many cars on the property, not on the street.
this leaves the pole barn, and car port. you should enclose these to the letter of the law, and park what you can in them.
then you move the rest, which hopefully is only 4-5 cars.
step 2, is making sure you don't get stuck in this endless loop of city people traipsing through your yard and citing you for arcane stuff. i don't know about florida (can't you shoot trespassers?), but in sunnyvale, everything was illegal, except parking a car in the living room, oddly, they just didn't enforce anything unless they felt like it, or got a complaint.
and actually what is the penalty if you don't move your stuff? are they going to fine you? or just make you fill out forms? or what?
06-21-14, 10:35 AM
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What about one of those airplane hanger-looking sheds? Not sure on cost, but they certainly go up quickly.
Also, I've seen people with odd things in their yard for decoration; one guy in Tallahassee has a life size whale replica breaching in his front yard
What if you took some windshield paint, or vinyl decals and put some kind of message or pictures on your "modern art" project" perhaps even arrange them in a pattern of some sort.........there's no accounting for "taste"
Also, I've seen people with odd things in their yard for decoration; one guy in Tallahassee has a life size whale replica breaching in his front yard
What if you took some windshield paint, or vinyl decals and put some kind of message or pictures on your "modern art" project" perhaps even arrange them in a pattern of some sort.........there's no accounting for "taste"
06-21-14, 11:00 AM
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I suggest talking to a lawyer rather than get advice from people who have been in similar situations or know someone in similar situations. Would be a shame to make a mistake on this based on well-intended but faulty information. Also I would think that so long as you are making efforts to meet their requirements that they won't come down on you heavy-handed.
06-21-14, 03:21 PM
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as someone that has been boned by and (at least for now) still has to live with the retarded laws down here - that only need to be enforced sometimes and only on SOME people, i totally sympathize. if i had the space, i would gladly offer refuge for some until you found a more permanent, legal way around it, but alas, i do not.
however, i totally agree with talking to a lawyer because i live about 100 miles up the road from you and how it works up here is depending on who you know (or who knows you), laws can apply or NOT. fight scum with scum. a lawyer would be able to advise you best or at least maybe buy you some extra time.
my instinct says your probably going to have to "build" something to enclose them or find some way to either make your property something other than what it "IS" or make the cars themselves something other than what they "ARE."
i sincerely wish you luck on this. go freedom.
06-21-14, 10:04 PM
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Man more great advice, thank you to everyone. I'm feeling a lot less defeated, as of now.
Per request, here's the copy of the infraction.
Lastly, this happened this morning, and this is absolutely CRAZY. Copied from another post on the rx7 facebook page:
An update- too. Now this is straight CRAZY. so as you know I still dont know what direction to take to fix everything. I went to pick up some breakfast, and, since ive gained some weight from my stupid desk job I decided to ride my bicycle up there. Haha. So I see sheriff siting in car in an abandoned parking lot and think, what the hell I'll go ask em if they maybe know something. You never know what they might know. So it was a lady, maybe 40 yrs old or so. I explain the entire situation to her, as I did in the thread above. She then takes a deep breath and says "well, I think youve found the most perfect person. My husband is the supervisor for pasco code!! " she proceeds to tell me to contact him come monday, and, that she'll let him know I will be contacting him. Ho-lee-crap. I could not believe it!!!! So, that was our big glimmer of hope. We could still be screwed. Or we may have just met someone who has a heart and is willing to work w us. Time will tell!!!
Keep ya posted. Going to spend tomorrow cleaning the yard.. mowing it, just trying to give the best possible impression incase I can have the new connection up to the house soon or something to explain our situation.
Per request, here's the copy of the infraction.
Lastly, this happened this morning, and this is absolutely CRAZY. Copied from another post on the rx7 facebook page:
An update- too. Now this is straight CRAZY. so as you know I still dont know what direction to take to fix everything. I went to pick up some breakfast, and, since ive gained some weight from my stupid desk job I decided to ride my bicycle up there. Haha. So I see sheriff siting in car in an abandoned parking lot and think, what the hell I'll go ask em if they maybe know something. You never know what they might know. So it was a lady, maybe 40 yrs old or so. I explain the entire situation to her, as I did in the thread above. She then takes a deep breath and says "well, I think youve found the most perfect person. My husband is the supervisor for pasco code!! " she proceeds to tell me to contact him come monday, and, that she'll let him know I will be contacting him. Ho-lee-crap. I could not believe it!!!! So, that was our big glimmer of hope. We could still be screwed. Or we may have just met someone who has a heart and is willing to work w us. Time will tell!!!
Keep ya posted. Going to spend tomorrow cleaning the yard.. mowing it, just trying to give the best possible impression incase I can have the new connection up to the house soon or something to explain our situation.
06-22-14, 06:20 AM
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I got in trouble for inoperable vehicles in ther past as well. Most counties have ordinances to keep them from rotting away on people's property because in reality, to some they are an eyesore. My issue came about when a house nearby was put up for sale. Real estate agents are ruthless on code enforcement and they have to be to make the most money possible out of each sale.
The way you'll probably have to fix this is to erect a 6' or higher/if zoning allows) privacy fence enclosing most of your property from street view and to just keep the front of the house looking reasonable. The code inspectors cannot enter your property unless they see a clear violation from the perimeter. A fence will remediate that being a viable option for them.
Also:
Cars covers will not work as you've already been cited, if they were covered before they wouldn't have been able to lift the covers but now they already know the vehicles exist.
You have more than 30 days to take care of this. I think they have to give you two or 3 notices before you can actually be fined and after you've been fined you can appeal it and take even more time. Keep in mind that the fees will be racking up against you after you've actually been fined.
Build a fence and you'll probably be good, store the cars not being worked on in the fenced area at the least. I think it's your easiest and cheapest option.
The way you'll probably have to fix this is to erect a 6' or higher/if zoning allows) privacy fence enclosing most of your property from street view and to just keep the front of the house looking reasonable. The code inspectors cannot enter your property unless they see a clear violation from the perimeter. A fence will remediate that being a viable option for them.
Also:
Cars covers will not work as you've already been cited, if they were covered before they wouldn't have been able to lift the covers but now they already know the vehicles exist.
You have more than 30 days to take care of this. I think they have to give you two or 3 notices before you can actually be fined and after you've been fined you can appeal it and take even more time. Keep in mind that the fees will be racking up against you after you've actually been fined.
Build a fence and you'll probably be good, store the cars not being worked on in the fenced area at the least. I think it's your easiest and cheapest option.
06-22-14, 06:42 AM
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Landon, in my own experience with ominous legal letters the bark is much worse than the bite. By that I mean that the letter is spelling out the letter of the law but once you start talking to the people working in the offices where it originated from that the people are given much more freedom to alter the letter of the law and work with you.
The letter of the law is spelling out to the extent of what they can do, but who knows, they may give you extra time to comply, or may bend the rules to help you move toward the end result.
The letter of the law is spelling out to the extent of what they can do, but who knows, they may give you extra time to comply, or may bend the rules to help you move toward the end result.
06-26-14, 06:50 PM
#21
06-27-14, 06:15 AM
#23
Have you considered registering and insuring some of them under a classic policy? At bare basic limits should be about $75 per car. Who are they to say if the vehicle drives or not how would the town know?
The car cover sounds good, and there are wind rated fabric buildings which are large enough to house all those cars. The way they are anchored into the ground makes it a non- permeant structure. I get brochures mailed to me all the time from this company Warehouse Facilities, Salt & Sand Storage, Riding Arenas, Livestock Housing, Construction Storage, Athletic Buildings - ClearSpan Tension Fabric Structures. They are not like the $150 car port you get at Costco.
The car cover sounds good, and there are wind rated fabric buildings which are large enough to house all those cars. The way they are anchored into the ground makes it a non- permeant structure. I get brochures mailed to me all the time from this company Warehouse Facilities, Salt & Sand Storage, Riding Arenas, Livestock Housing, Construction Storage, Athletic Buildings - ClearSpan Tension Fabric Structures. They are not like the $150 car port you get at Costco.
