My rx-7 is done with cup holders! And a 3-rotor semi p-port N/a setup, STOCK SUBFRAME
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My honda civic gets 40 mpg, average! Howabout that! Oh yeah, my rx7 has the best torque curve ever. It looks like this:
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But while that line is horsepower, it the number happens to be 0, because it doesnt run yet, and probably not till next summer! I think my car will kick some ***, as it is right now, because its so light without the engine in it! And the bobcat moves it pretty fast... anyone wanna take bets??
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But while that line is horsepower, it the number happens to be 0, because it doesnt run yet, and probably not till next summer! I think my car will kick some ***, as it is right now, because its so light without the engine in it! And the bobcat moves it pretty fast... anyone wanna take bets??
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Hehehe. Well, I seriously don't have a problem with swapping engines into an RX-7 chassis (or any chassis for that matter). In fact, there's an engine I'd like to work with that I need to put into a new chassis, and I might go with the FC. The reason is, the FC is such a good-looking car in my opinion and the chassis is great. It's not that I want to put a V8 in an RX-7, it's that I can't feasibly find a better car to put the V8 in.
I wouldn't be doing this though if I didn't already have an FC with a rotary in it. If you don't want to mod a rotary or don't like the rotary engine, fine. But all this time I've spent up til a few months ago never owning or driving a rotary-powered car makes me feel like I've been depriving myself. It might not necessarily be better, but it's different and new to me, and that's what makes working on the rotary so much fun. It's just another area to explore in the world of cars.
I am definitely looking forward to another video of this car.
I wouldn't be doing this though if I didn't already have an FC with a rotary in it. If you don't want to mod a rotary or don't like the rotary engine, fine. But all this time I've spent up til a few months ago never owning or driving a rotary-powered car makes me feel like I've been depriving myself. It might not necessarily be better, but it's different and new to me, and that's what makes working on the rotary so much fun. It's just another area to explore in the world of cars.
I am definitely looking forward to another video of this car.
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i am going to Kilkare raceway to practice "ala drift" and will take some shoots of it (editing out the spins...hehehe.) And I think I will do a huge standstill burnout, as I havent really done one since 3 years ago, I am due for some redneck fun. But its going to be a jam packed vid, so it feels like your in the car with me! Be back tommorrow! Oh yeah and SHM21284's car is very fast with the motor out, gotta be the lighest around, and that car huler moves it at least 3 feet per second. amazingly close to warp speed. Which is close to "light" speed, hmmm yeah "light" speed. DUDE seth, we should re-name the drift team Light-Speed! LOL
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Originally Posted by shm21284
My honda civic gets 40 mpg, average! Howabout that! Oh yeah, my rx7 has the best torque curve ever. It looks like this:
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But while that line is horsepower, it the number happens to be 0, because it doesnt run yet, and probably not till next summer! I think my car will kick some ***, as it is right now, because its so light without the engine in it! And the bobcat moves it pretty fast... anyone wanna take bets??
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But while that line is horsepower, it the number happens to be 0, because it doesnt run yet, and probably not till next summer! I think my car will kick some ***, as it is right now, because its so light without the engine in it! And the bobcat moves it pretty fast... anyone wanna take bets??
video will be up when i get the footage back....
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Yes I say front clip will win due to having two less tires and rear end to drag it down. THis is asuming you are going fast enough for the vaccum behind the front clip to pick up the rear section so it doesnt drag. Which is a easy 698.91 mph due to my EXACT calculations. Oh yeah the vid will be up tonight or tommorrow. Later
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Originally Posted by shm21284
Dude, your skateboard has soooooo much less rolling resistance than my car.... and the wheels carry a lower coefficient of friction (Kf).... how about your front clip versus my car??
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Sweet car. Its good to know im not the only person out that is proud to have an n/a, its not always about the power, b/c nothing feels better when you beat someone that has a turbo or nitrous and you dont. Keep it up, when are you going to have the dyno numbers with the pp open?
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To tell the truth I dont know for sure. Some of the things on my mind right now 1) get a new clutch, feels worse everyday. 2) Get a new computer for the car, the microtech is a little *** bitch, and only I have a problem with it, I'm afraid its going to break the motor, as the rpm glitches soooo bad at 3200rpms. So I might need to pull/sell and buy new one. 3) Keep the car "as is" so I dont miss the october 29th event for any reason. After this event I can pull the intake, and make the p-port addition....YEAAAAAHH, switch computers, and install the clutch. So we will see how long it takes, but it will be worth the wait.
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Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
TAs far as being walked on, duh there are ways to make MUCH more power. Im trying to make CHEAP power here, not as much as I can. If I was I'd go find a 350 4 bolt main block, build it up as a forged 400+ cid motor, get some AFR heads and rig up some mongo turbo and then go get a built automatic w/ a slip stall converter and a C4 rear end. As far as fuel management Id either go standalone or just build a box around a carb that can flow enough to match the power it would make, and well do the obvious plumbing required.
Why the hell arent you going an building a fox body mustang with a cheap 302 then? Thats about as cheap and bang for the buck as it gets. The 2.3T is about THE most piece of **** 4 banger ever made. There is a reason that nobody builds them. Esslinger is pretty much the only company out there that that even bothers. If the 2.3 was so badass like you say it is then why the hell dont any of the import drag racers use them? I'll tell you why. THEY ARE JUNK! 400whp the highest dyno chart for one you could dig up to bench race? Damn I would have hoped that you could dig up at least something impressive. Theres a reason why you'll be spending most of the time in the junkyard looking for parts for that 2.3 haha. If your going to bash the work of others Id at least hope you would have picked a decent platform to bench race with.
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Originally Posted by NOPR
"cry me a river.... cry me a river! oh ohhhh"
haha i know ive been slackin, but TONIGHT!
for real this time.
haha i know ive been slackin, but TONIGHT!
for real this time.
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This is a great project. Congratulations. I'm envious of your mad skills. I want my own 20B NA.
Do you run premix or is there a MOP?
If you ran it without opening the semi p ports, do you think you could get it to pass an emissions test? (provided you've installed a cat)
I clearly understand why you've done this. I too have owned both turbo and NA rx-7s and I prefer NA's. I'm near the end of a project now to make a 200rwhp 13B NA that's streetable and I've found out what my next project will be. Do you really need power steering?
Do you run premix or is there a MOP?
If you ran it without opening the semi p ports, do you think you could get it to pass an emissions test? (provided you've installed a cat)
I clearly understand why you've done this. I too have owned both turbo and NA rx-7s and I prefer NA's. I'm near the end of a project now to make a 200rwhp 13B NA that's streetable and I've found out what my next project will be. Do you really need power steering?
Originally Posted by BlueOval351
I've had several 2.3 turbo cars myself, and seeing as to how you've more than likely never even wrenched on one yourself, I'm gonna shed some light on the 2.3 subject.
A) The Ford 2.3T motor is a rock solid engine. My last Thunderbird had WAY over 230K miles on it (and that engine took a BEATING for 100% of it's life!!!) and the only problem it had was the head cracked. And it cracked because the fans malfunctioned after their many years of service they gave.
B) My newest Thunderbird has about 220K miles on it. I had the head off when I got the car. The weak link in the 2.3 is the stock Ford head gasket. They used the same gasket the N/A engines used, and they are degraded and shitty now after more than 16 years of boost and high temperatures (stock thermostat opens at 192F). The first thing I do is change the head gaskets on these motors when I get them. That being said, the head has no cracks and this motor has been overheated more times than I can count. It takes a BAD overheating to make these heads crack. I'll also add in that the cylinders had perfect crosshatching still and the compression is still 165 across the board. The 230K motor was the same, and I put a couple thousand miles on that motor without problems, EVEN WITH THE CRACKED HEAD!
C) There aren't many "aftermarket" parts needed for the 2.3T motor. There are several companies that make headers, all of which accept standard T3 turbos and some T4. Internals are widely available through major compnies such as JE, Crower, etc. Ford Motorsport, Esslinger, Comp Cams, Crane.. There are lots of cam manufacturers that make 2.3T specific cams. And even if there weren't, custom grinds aren't too expensive. Head porting is a given, any shop can do that. And aftermarket heads are available from two different sources, and a lot of other heads from other vehicles can be modified to better suit the 2.3. There are many sources for intakes, exhaust, oil supply stuff, distributors & ignition systems, aftermarket management. Most of the things a 2.3T actually NEEDS, is universal! And the stuff that the 2.3 DOES NEED is WIDELY available! So don't start with the "you need 2.3 parts from the J/Y ****".
D) Why don't import users and drag racers use them? Well, import users don't use them because 1) a LOT of import users don't even know the 2.3T exists, and 2) its a small block Ford 4 cylinder, so most import users (like yourself) are uneducated about the motor and **** on it. As for drag racers, there are many 9 and 10 second 2.3T Mustangs. A couple 10 second Thunderbirds. Lots of 8 9 10 11 12 second Pintos. Most of the Turbo Coupe Thunderbirds are in the 14's or lower. DEAD STOCK they are 15 second cars.
E) The 400 HP dyno retains streetability without being peaky. Anything much past 450 HP has crappy boost response. That is a shitty part about the 2.3, but oh well. I'm not gonna sit here and compare apples and oranges, and I'm not going to deny the 2.3 has it's downsides. But in my opinion, it doesn't have as many as a rotary.
on edit: What I mean by "without being peaky", by the way, is that the Thunderbird and Mustangs are heavy cars... we NEED the boost to go fast. But I'm sure in an RX-7, it wouldn't be too much of an issue. Especially with the right gears
I couldn't see a 500 HP 2.3T being fast off the line in a Thunderbird, but then again I can't see a 500 HP rotary in one being faster off the line either. Get my drift? 
-Ryan
A) The Ford 2.3T motor is a rock solid engine. My last Thunderbird had WAY over 230K miles on it (and that engine took a BEATING for 100% of it's life!!!) and the only problem it had was the head cracked. And it cracked because the fans malfunctioned after their many years of service they gave.
B) My newest Thunderbird has about 220K miles on it. I had the head off when I got the car. The weak link in the 2.3 is the stock Ford head gasket. They used the same gasket the N/A engines used, and they are degraded and shitty now after more than 16 years of boost and high temperatures (stock thermostat opens at 192F). The first thing I do is change the head gaskets on these motors when I get them. That being said, the head has no cracks and this motor has been overheated more times than I can count. It takes a BAD overheating to make these heads crack. I'll also add in that the cylinders had perfect crosshatching still and the compression is still 165 across the board. The 230K motor was the same, and I put a couple thousand miles on that motor without problems, EVEN WITH THE CRACKED HEAD!
C) There aren't many "aftermarket" parts needed for the 2.3T motor. There are several companies that make headers, all of which accept standard T3 turbos and some T4. Internals are widely available through major compnies such as JE, Crower, etc. Ford Motorsport, Esslinger, Comp Cams, Crane.. There are lots of cam manufacturers that make 2.3T specific cams. And even if there weren't, custom grinds aren't too expensive. Head porting is a given, any shop can do that. And aftermarket heads are available from two different sources, and a lot of other heads from other vehicles can be modified to better suit the 2.3. There are many sources for intakes, exhaust, oil supply stuff, distributors & ignition systems, aftermarket management. Most of the things a 2.3T actually NEEDS, is universal! And the stuff that the 2.3 DOES NEED is WIDELY available! So don't start with the "you need 2.3 parts from the J/Y ****".
D) Why don't import users and drag racers use them? Well, import users don't use them because 1) a LOT of import users don't even know the 2.3T exists, and 2) its a small block Ford 4 cylinder, so most import users (like yourself) are uneducated about the motor and **** on it. As for drag racers, there are many 9 and 10 second 2.3T Mustangs. A couple 10 second Thunderbirds. Lots of 8 9 10 11 12 second Pintos. Most of the Turbo Coupe Thunderbirds are in the 14's or lower. DEAD STOCK they are 15 second cars.
E) The 400 HP dyno retains streetability without being peaky. Anything much past 450 HP has crappy boost response. That is a shitty part about the 2.3, but oh well. I'm not gonna sit here and compare apples and oranges, and I'm not going to deny the 2.3 has it's downsides. But in my opinion, it doesn't have as many as a rotary.
on edit: What I mean by "without being peaky", by the way, is that the Thunderbird and Mustangs are heavy cars... we NEED the boost to go fast. But I'm sure in an RX-7, it wouldn't be too much of an issue. Especially with the right gears
I couldn't see a 500 HP 2.3T being fast off the line in a Thunderbird, but then again I can't see a 500 HP rotary in one being faster off the line either. Get my drift? -Ryan
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If you had noticed some flamer troll came out and dug this **** back up, so he felt like putting that ignorant moron in his place.
But but anyway, yeah, I am curious how that will turn out
But but anyway, yeah, I am curious how that will turn out
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Nihilanthic, YOU ARE A FLAMER TROLL and A BENCH RACER. You don't own a 2.3T. You don't even own an RX-7 do you? Yet you come in here and tell someone that they 'wasted' 12K. You have zero first hand on any of these motors. This isn't the first time I have brought this up to you. As well as your theory on rotory displacement. How much do you think swaping a 2.3T will cost? It will cost A LOT more than the cost of a motor and trans. Just stop man.
Blue Oval, we don't need someone else in here talking about a 2.3T. They are fine motors, but no one here gives a **** about them. Take yourself on back to Torquecentral or where ever it is you came from.
GTORX7... Sweet ride man. What is the throttle response like? This is the one thing I like about NA rotories, instant throttle response. The Scoot 4 rotor is pretty intense. Any word on the PPorts? I'm looking forward to the dyno session and hearing a 10K redline. The car is damn nice man. 300-400RWHP is all I need on Road America and in SCCA Solo II. Nihilanthic doesn't seem to understand that not everone likes to go in a straight line with junk yard ****. It's OK, the 2.3T is only his newest day dream and as soon as some other cheap *** alternative comes up we will jump on that boat.
Blue Oval, we don't need someone else in here talking about a 2.3T. They are fine motors, but no one here gives a **** about them. Take yourself on back to Torquecentral or where ever it is you came from.
GTORX7... Sweet ride man. What is the throttle response like? This is the one thing I like about NA rotories, instant throttle response. The Scoot 4 rotor is pretty intense. Any word on the PPorts? I'm looking forward to the dyno session and hearing a 10K redline. The car is damn nice man. 300-400RWHP is all I need on Road America and in SCCA Solo II. Nihilanthic doesn't seem to understand that not everone likes to go in a straight line with junk yard ****. It's OK, the 2.3T is only his newest day dream and as soon as some other cheap *** alternative comes up we will jump on that boat.